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This is not about muslims being inferior or wrong or lesser so anyone thinking of erasing this or banning this subject is being unreasonable. I am stating that their culture or belief system is irreconcilable with the goals of a debate site.
We have all noticed that Muslims will never vote against a position they disagree with in a debate. This alone is enough. We should be voting for who we thinks had the better argument not looking for ways to twist RFDs into fitting our preferred winners argument.
What follows is an analysis of their internal mindset so you can see why the group should be banned by default although making exceptions for some outliers may be fine.
Muslim is an Identity not a belief system
In most Islamic cultures, Islam isn't just a worldview — it's your tribe, your bloodline, your honor system.
So to vote against a Muslim argument, even if it’s weaker, feels like betrayal, not intellectual integrity.
- Christians → “I disagree, but truth is truth.”
- Atheists → “He beat me. Respect.”
- Muslims → “This isn’t just debate. This is the Ummah.”
They see it like voting against their nation or family, not just their theology.
Collective responsibility stops them from being intellectually honest
In Islamic thought (especially more traditional interpretations), there's this sense of communal accountability before God.
If a Muslim publicly sides with a non-Muslim in a theological debate, it’s seen as:
- Strengthening kufr (disbelief)
- Undermining dawah (Islamic outreach)
- Weakening the perception of Islamic strength
Islam is basically a hive mind according to sociologists so a single token muslim on the site might be enough
Sociologists describe Islam (and Orthodox Judaism, to a lesser extent) as “tight cultures” — high emphasis on loyalty, conformity, and moral unity.
Christianity and modern atheism are “loose cultures” — more open to internal disagreement and pluralism.
So a Christian can say “Well he made better points, even if I disagree” and still sleep at night.
But a Muslim might feel that’s a public breach of group loyalty.
Muslims on the site are jihading us right now, not looking for actual debate
In Islam, arguing for the faith is literally a form of jihad — “striving in the way of Allah.”
So losing isn’t just personal — it feels like you’re losing for all Muslims.
Voting against that? To many, that’s like saying God’s side lost. And no one wants to be that guy.
TL;DR:
Muslims often won’t vote against Muslim positions in debate because:
- Their religion is fused with identity and honor
- They live in a tight moral culture where group loyalty > individual judgment
- Debate is not just argument — it’s spiritual warfare
- Publicly conceding is seen as giving ammunition to disbelievers
- Because of this inability to remain honest, unbiased and in general ethical people, all Muslims should be banned from the site
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There are people protesting unmitigated immigration and the impact it has on the lives of ordinary bri' ish people.
Police have been disarming the peaceful protests and reports are emerging that Muslims have shown up openly carrying swords to continue their stabbing campaigns that started these protests
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Debates I will accept with muslims after we negotiate terms. I am pro on the following.
1. Jesus is God
2. Jesus died and then rose from the dead
3. Muhhamed was not real
4. Having sex with children is unethical
5. The Quran is corrupted
6. Islam is not a religion of peace
I will add to this list as I learn more about your sick religion.
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I have a new video up where I take Benjamin's arguments apart. He argues that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and here are the arguments against that position. https://youtu.be/EL3VX3K6Zq0
By examining how I take apart his arguments you can likely improve your own debating skills.
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I am looking to explore what Islam is about for 100 hours and then for 100 days. This blog piece is to explore the first 100 hours. The goal for this 100 days is ambituous/
1. listen to the entire Quran 25 times in English and 25 times in Quranic Arabic.
2. speedrun the entire dulingo Arabic course, it is not quranic arabic but there is enough overlap and it seems like a good foundation.
I already see some issues in Islam from my pre study. for one they change english translations of the Quran in response to controversy, such as when the prophet was sucking on the tongue of a young boy. This is essential for me to learn Arabic.
They also seem to think their book is uncorrupted, but arabic itself was not standardized during the time of the Quran's writing and the words weren't written down until years after the prophets death. There was also disagreement as to the what the words mean almost immediately with the Sunni Shia split.
Some things I am looking out for while going through the Quran, and I know there is more to Islam than the Quran but I want to read it first before getting more involved with the community to learn how to understand the words better. The point of the first 100 hours is to take things from the POV of Muslims and maybe the first 100 days before I dive into what the skeptics say. I will need to learn Islam at a basic level before I get into apologetics as well.
Here is what I am looking out for
1. Is their like a type of cycle of Jihad advocated for. I noticed societies with 1% Muslims will have Muslims claiming Islam is a religion of peace. Once it hits 20% Muslim the society starts defensive Jihad, where they will start attacking those critical of Islam. At 80% of population, Muslims will subjugate christians and Jews demanding a type of tribute to exist and unlike western societies who treat Muslims kindly, they will treat those who are not Muslim as lesser people.
2. Does your typical Muslim or apologist think "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed", Like a pedophile
3. Are they commanded to go after Jews and does the Quran actually claim Jews shape shift into animals and refuse to drink camel milk and other weird shit.
Day 1: I listened to an audiobook of the Quran for 2 hours. It begins with a type of rehash of the biblical old testament and criticizes Jews for their stubborness. The Old Testament in the bible seems to do the same thing and criticize Jews for their stubbornness but the God as portrayed in the bible is criticizing Jews from a place of love, where as Allah seems to refer to them as wrong doers and accuse them of lying about his words he gave them to write down. Just before the 2 hour mark it seems that Allah is challenging the Jews to kill themselves if they are confident they have done good and are ready to meet God. So already it seems to not respect the sanctity of life. I am not sure how this will continue but it seems the Muslim claims to love death because they are excited to meet God as they are sure they have pleased him, and accuse lovers of life of trying to live so long because they are afraid to meet God, because they know in their heart they are wrong doers.
This is my reading of the Quran. I intend to get a physical copy in addition to the audiobook and can listen about 3 hours a day. The audiobook is about 20 hours so I will give you guys daily summaries. Welcome to my blog.
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