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The US population is growing.
Yes, for now. Population doesnt decline immediatelly with lower birth rates, since life expectancy is increasing which covers for lower birth rates, and you also have migrants.

However, life expectancy doesnt solve low birth rates, but just means that you have more old people who are mostly burden on society.

But I belive it will eventually go up once people realize that underpopulation is a problem
Will it go up? I dont think so.

In Japan, child births are almost non-existent. But people have freedom not to have children, and its unrealistic to think that all people wont use the freedom they are given.
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Well, you can import population from countries that dont have freedom, but then you are faced with the problem of your population being replaced by people who maybe dont share your values, as they were literally raised in dictatorships.
What does it mean to have American values?

Plus, you need to import a lot, about 50 million to make up for current 170 million women's lack of reproduction, and you need to do so every 40 years.
What's wrong with that?  I'd say if 1.2 billion people want to move to America, then that's 1.2 billion GDP producers in this country.
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Yes, for now. Population doesnt decline immediatelly with lower birth rates, since life expectancy is increasing which covers for lower birth rates, and you also have migrants.

However, life expectancy doesnt solve low birth rates, but just means that you have more old people who are mostly burden on society.
Life expectancy goes up .2 years/year historically.  The US population increases about 2% a year I think.  But you can raise the retirement age to compensate.

In Japan, child births are almost non-existent. But people have freedom not to have children, and its unrealistic to think that all people wont use the freedom they are given.
They didn't feel like having kids, but the locals there got to decide between voluntarily having kids, having their population fall, or having more immigrants.  I would prefer #3 for America; I don't want kids, so I would be a hypocrite if I encouraged people to have kids, and I do like more people in this country.
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What does it mean to have American values?
People raised in dictatorships are more likely to support bad ideas, even if they move to USA.

What's wrong with that?  I'd say if 1.2 billion people want to move to America, then that's 1.2 billion GDP producers in this country.
Yes, but then your country depends on countries which dont have freedom, which beats the idea that freedom existing everywhere would be a good thing, also countries can restrict their citizens from leaving and deny USA of migrants.
Also, many enemies of USA might enter USA if 50 million migrants enter every 40 years.
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People raised in dictatorships are more likely to support bad ideas, even if they move to USA.
What bad ideas?  And how do you determine if an idea is bad or not?

also countries can restrict their citizens from leaving and deny USA of migrants.
Then they would be in the wrong as individuals should live in whatever city they choose.

Also, many enemies of USA might enter USA if 50 million migrants enter every 40 years.
This logic would be equal to a rural North Texan moving to San Fransisco because he hates San Fransisco values.
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What bad ideas?  And how do you determine if an idea is bad or not?
People raised in dictatorship will likely have Socialist ideas, and many other you would consider anti-freedom ideas.

Then they would be in the wrong as individuals should live in whatever city they choose.
Its not about them being wrong, but its about them being able to deny your society of migrants, something your society needs to survive.

This logic would be equal to a rural North Texan moving to San Fransisco because he hates San Fransisco values.
People dont move to USA just for values.
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People raised in dictatorship will likely have Socialist ideas, and many other you would consider anti-freedom ideas.
Define, "socialism".  Because in many countries, not even education is socialist; they don't have public schools for many ages in many countries (and the US has a socialist style public education system).  And weren't you a hardcore communist 2 months ago?  If would be like Richard Spencer being a white nationalist, ceasing to be one, and 2 months later, he gets angry at British immigrants coming here based on the claim that they are white nationalists.  It's almost projection.

Its not about them being wrong, but its about them being able to deny your society of migrants, something your society needs to survive.
Restricting freedom of movement into a city under any conditions is unjustified authoritarianism.

People dont move to USA just for values.
What else would they move here for?

But I never want kids.  Should I get thrown in jail for refusing to reproduce?
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And weren't you a hardcore communist 2 months ago?
People change.

But I never want kids.  Should I get thrown in jail for refusing to reproduce?
In some societies, people who refuse to reproduce have all their property taken away and their family throws them out. A very old method, but one can see its point.
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Basically, your position suffers from people using their freedom when you give it to them.

You want to give people freedom to not reproduce, and then you think they wont use that freedom, which is an absurd position.

There is no country that has such freedom and high birth rates.

Birth rates in all free nations go from 0.7 to 1.7, the average being around 1.4.

Meanwhile, countries where reproduction is expected and mandatory have like 2 to 4 births per woman.
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But I never want kids.  Should I get thrown in jail for refusing to reproduce?
In some societies, people who refuse to reproduce have all their property taken away and their family throws them out. A very old method, but one can see its point.
Well, that society is shit on that issue.

Forcing people to conceive is r***.

Birth rates in all free nations go from 0.7 to 1.7, the average being around 1.4.
This is because the world population is growing and people are alarmed by it, so people choose to do their part and not reproduce.

But given you are a pedophile (not an insult since you didn't act on it), but since you aren't attracted to adults, you won't reproduce, and therefore, if you advocate mandating that people reproduce, then you are a hypocrite.
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Forcing people to conceive is r***.
Those societies have plenty of births.

This is because the world population is growing and people are alarmed by it, so people choose to do their part and not reproduce.
Once their population starts dropping, their economy will go to shit, so it bodes great for them, not that their economy isnt very shitty right now.

But given you are a pedophile (not an insult since you didn't act on it), but since you aren't attracted to adults, you won't reproduce, and therefore, if you advocate mandating that people reproduce, then you are a hypocrite.
Pedophiles can reproduce, but I wont reproduce since I have a freedom not to and it would take too much work on my part to reproduce. Of course, it would be good for society if everyone reproduced, if everyone tried to be healthy, if everyone tried learning a lot and worked to increase knowledge, but someone thought it was a good idea to allow people to not reproduce, not live healthy and not learn, so yeah, its just society slowly destroying itself and I even get to watch its collapse.
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$1.1 Million: Cost to Raise a Child, from Birth through College

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Pedophiles can reproduce, but I wont reproduce since I have a freedom not to
Dude; if you choose not to reproduce but want to take away that choice for others, then that's being a hypocrite.
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I thought it was less expensive, but yeah; people shouldn't be forced to spend $2.2 million for 2 kids.
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This topic inspired me, so Satan gave me complete Predicted Victory Plan about how modern societies are headed for certain collapse, and I even get to watch. Collapse cannot even be prevented in any way, so even when I post the plan, it wont change anything.