Even if that is the case, that’s still much more time and effort spent studying a subject than most people will be able to get from an hour of googling, which is what most people mean when they say “I’m doing my own research”
When you have graduated and have chosen your field, you begin to work in this field. Doctors are often working for more than 12 hours a day. How much time do you think they have to continue studying?
Can you support this claim? How do you know this is what they mean? How do you know their research comprises only one hour of googling? They could be spending months or years reading books and looking at reports.
If others had read the reports, they would know that the young and healthy were unlikely to be hospitalized or to die from covid-19. This was the case prior to the vaccine and after the vaccine, although the young and healthy have ended up with anaphylaxis and inflamed heart muscle after receiving the jab.
I have great respect for emergency physicians, less respect for the primary care physicians who fail to investigate and fail to make referrals and fail to diagnose. They fall apart when there is an issue that appears complicated. They will do anything to avoid trying to figure it out. These are doctors who want a simple explanation, one that is easy to treat. What happens when more is required?
Well that doctor isn’t an expert. Experts are really few and far between. A doctor who’s dedicated their career to developing medicine and better treatments for a specific conduction, and has published lots of papers and maybe books on the subject is an expert.
Fair enough, that was a hyperbole, my bad. The point I was getting at is that most people work too. You may know more about a subject than the average person, but that doctor who went through med school is still most likely more qualified than you, because majority of their time for many years was dedicated to learning, throughout under-grad, grad school, and residency. Average people just don’t have that kind of time. That’s not to say that every doctor is an expert, but 99% of the time the average doctor is going to know more than you about medicine, and I’m not even saying we should trust these doctors about everything. Go to the very top, and find the specialist who dedicate their careers to learning about one thing, find multiple people at that level, and check their credentials. I’m not saying don’t be skeptical, but doing your own research doesn’t mean going against the status quo. The status quo is there for a reason, they’re right more often than not.
Yeah, I read those reports, and I recall that’s what the medical establishment was saying too. I stayed at home and I wore a mask because I wanted to be as careful as possible for my health, and because I didn’t want to spread the virus to other people, namely my grandparents and other older people around me. I trusted the experts and we all knew I was at less risk, I just followed the guidelines for the safety of others that I cared about.
Physicians treat the patients. The researcher and the physician who spends most of their time with patients have both graduated from medical school. One of them is spending their time researching diseases in a laboratory, and the other is with the patient. Some physicians who work in primary medicine or emergency medicine are involved in research and they publish papers. Surgeons publish papers.
What seems very apparent to me is that the human body is an unpredictable thing, and cares not about papers.
I have come to believe that credentials do not mean much. Some people are useless, or they are very bad. Their degree and their job title makes no difference. We are here to forge our own way in life, and should not be depending on the so-called experts to know what is right.
Is this why the medical establishment compelled the young and healthy to be vaccinated? They lied.
I don't believe masks achieved anything. What will be will be. Those who were going to be infected were infected. I am still not vaccinated. I caught covid-19 and it was mild.
Even though I may not be at risk, I can still spread the virus to those who are at risk.
Nobody says that.If you don't trust these sources because they're experts
Yeah you're right, it doesn't just take credentials and a job to be an expert. This is a video by one of my favorite YouTubers, the part about experts is at roughly 4:38. You don't have to watch it (though I recommend highly) so TLDR is that experts are people who have devoted their lives to something. You aren't an expert because you only spent a few years studying in a very broad area, and neither is a doctor who is fresh out of med school or residency. However a doctor that spent their career researching the contagious diseases, how they spread, and specifically different mutations of COVID is an expert in that area. I wouldn't go to them for neurosurgery though, because they aren't an expert in that area.
They did not. They compelled everyone to get vaccinated so we can develop herd immunity and not spread the virus more. Even though I may not be at risk, I can still spread the virus to those who are at risk. This is a public facing FAQ published by Johns Hopkins in July 2021. The first question on the list is asking why should I get the vaccine even if I'm not severely at risk? The article answers that it keep other people safe. The medical establishment was very transparent about young people being safer, and they encouraged them to get the vaccine anyways to protect those who were more affected by the virus.
This is just plain false. We have so much data showing us that masks work: (www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666142X20300126, "Regardless of the type, setting, or who wears the face mask, it serves primarily a dual preventive purpose; protecting oneself from getting viral infection and protecting others."onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/mds3.10163: "The current research results have shown that COVID-19 is mainly transmitted via droplets in the air. There is a potential risk of airborne transmission in an indoor environment with poor ventilation. The distance of droplet transmission can extend up to 4 m. Based on this data, the recommended social distancing range of 1–2 m (CDC, 2020; WHO, 2020) may not necessarily guarantee the epidemic prevention. Therefore, wearing mask in public is essential as its effectiveness has already been well established by the current studies.")
Also, your anecdote doesn't really seem to help your claim. If you were vaccinated, you may not have caught the virus. Yes, it was mild you, but it may have not been mild for someone you spread it to. I got the virus twice before I was vaccinated, and it was mild, but my dad did get the virus and he had it much more severe. This is still anecdotal evidence though, so I wouldn't give it much credit. Finally, you said that those who were going to get infected got infected, but why not try to stop that. Why the pessimistic attitude? We know that masks, social distancing, and vaccines all stop the spread of the virus, so why not use them to keep people safer?
Finally, you said that those who were going to get infected got infected, but why not try to stop that. Why the pessimistic attitude? We know that masks, social distancing, and vaccines all stop the spread of the virus, so why not use them to keep people safer?
Becuase you can never be too careful.
I got the virus twice before I got my vaccine, and it was unpleasant enough that I didn’t want to get it again
So I don’t get the virus and spread it to those at risk
Anyway, what I am saying is that I was studying medicine during the pandemic. This means I saw patients who had covid and other problems during the pandemic, including patients who had inflamed heart muscle and allergic reactions related to the vaccine. Did you see this?
If I had chosen to work in biomedicine, I could have gone straight into working in a laboratory and looking at blood and other tissue samples. For how many decades do I need to be doing this to be considered an expert? I would be telling doctors what the problems are and their decisions would be informed by my findings
I hate to break it to you, but herd immunity had already developed. The young people who have gotten vaccinated need to get their heads tested. Some did it for very stupid reasons; they wanted to travel and wanted to keep their precious jobs. It is pathetic.
Why did they pursue a vaccine if masks were so wonderful?
You got vaccinated despite having covid twice and it being mild? This is akin to getting an imaginary set of balls sterilized, or being a 90-year-old woman and taking every contraceptive you can think of.
Yes, they did get infected. We have no control over it. We need to stop playing God. When are humans going to learn?
Yes you can be too careful.When you are violating people's liberty for no good reason, using 'caution' as an excuse, that is too careful.
If you believe the vaccine saved you from a third infection that is a claim without scientific merit.
Yet those who took vaccines did spread it.
Everyone who is immune contracts viruses again and again. Their immunity may or may not destroy the virus so quickly they do not feel symptoms and/or do not spread the virus to anyone else.
What does this evidence you speak of have to say about the difference between natural immunity and vaccine immunity?we have real comprehensive data showing that my experience was an outlier.
Everyone who is immune contracts viruses again and again. Their immunity may or may not destroy the virus so quickly they do not feel symptoms and/or do not spread the virus to anyone else.This is unsupported.
No I didn’t, and I’m not denying it happened, but this is anecdotal evidence. Have you ever heard that saying “The plural of experience is data”? You have a couple data points, but we have studies with thousands of data points showing that the vaccine does more good than it’s unlikely side effects.
Like I said before, I did it because I wanted to protect myself (it is still possible for me to die or get seriously sick) and for my grandparents who had a much higher risk of death.
This is starting to get into more of the philosophy realm, but if you don’t want to at least try to make your life on earth better, I respect your right to an opinion, but I can’t understand what you live for.
I see everything as data. Data is information and all things are information. It is data that youth were not dying from covid-19, data that some became very ill after being vaccinated, data that the scientists were getting involved in matters of no concern to them, data that Fauci was funding coronaviruses in canines and bats...All data that you do not want to hear.
It is very unlikely. You say you wanted to be protected...from what? Prior to the vaccine, you had it twice and it was mild. It makes no difference to your grandparents; it does not stop transmission.
Ok
What does this evidence you speak of have to say about the difference between natural immunity and vaccine immunity?
This is basic biology. Do you understand basic biology?
What does this evidence you speak of have to say about the difference between natural immunity and vaccine immunity?The reason we have vaccines is to gain immunity in safe ways. Getting the actual virus is dangerous for your health, and can be fatal. Vaccines have much lower death and symptom rates. To use an analogy, if I wanted to take a self defense class, I would want the instructor to demonstrate everything slowly and use boxing gloves rather than actually mug me using brass knuckles. Both give me experience defending myself, but one is much more preferable.
This is basic biology. Do you understand basic biology?I'm not an expert. Can you show me one who supports your claim
What is the reason to take a vaccine if you are already immune?
If you refuse to learn the basics then I am and always will be an expert in comparison to you.
What is the reason to take a vaccine if you are already immune?You cannot be completely immune to a virus. Vaccines decrease the risk of you getting it and having by worse symptoms.
If you refuse to learn the basics then I am and always will be an expert in comparison to you.I took high school bio.
The COVID vaccine has been proven to reduce the risk of me getting the virus.
If I don’t have it, I can’t spread it.
You cannot be completely immune to a virus. Vaccines decrease the risk of you getting it and having by worse symptoms.
Are you claiming that there is an improvement to immunity by taking a vaccine after you are already immune?
Everyone who is immune contracts viruses again and again. Their immunity may or may not destroy the virus so quickly they do not feel symptoms and/or do not spread the virus to anyone else.
If someone is immune, by definition they cannot get the virus again.
Yet, you say you have had it three times. What is going on here?Do you continue to have the vaccination?
What made you think your symptoms were going to be worse? You had covid and said it was mild. What was the vaccine going to do?
Suppose you take a cell sample from the lungs of an immune person. You put it in a petri dish with a drop of solution containing X number of active viruses.What will happen?
There is no such thing as an immune person.
Once again, this is all in my non-expert opinion.
Your ignorance is clear, what is not clear is this: Why do you think you or any other ignorant person should be making assertions about these they don't understand?
For starters, you need to clarify what you mean by "immune person"
and getting a vaccine makes you more "immune".
I am not making assertions, I am finding experts and listening to their assertions.
