Choose Your Role DP3

They have 2 roles. One to help prove their category and one from special category for mafia. So Earth can be a Day Vig and Godfather at the same time? Where’s the confusion. Regardless we lynch Vader today. What are his town tells to you

Idk why you’re sussing me. You have to assume I chose a non confirmable role at the beginning, knew that everyone would have a confirmable role, and had to WIFOM it. It makes zero sense.

Grey is not a confirmed town. Obvious I’d assume you say yourself as confirmed townie but you are not confirmed either. You are simply just a town read. Austin is the only confirmed

For someone who is adamant on role =/= affil. You are very ballsy to call GP confirmed town

This kind of thing isn't helping your case, dude. I agree he's not fully confirmed, but given that he was the Reviver and the lack of the NK in DP1 (absent your trying to commit the kill and failing due to the RB) can currently only be explained through a role change on GP that either protected him or was used to protect someone else, I'd say GP is as solid town as it gets without absolute confirmation.

Based on that alone, I'd agree with you. It is possible, since it says they have "a special selection of roles exclusive to mafia"... except for two things.

First, that kind of throws a wrench into your whole "they have an every night role" part of this explanation. If scum have a Godfather and a 1X Day Vig, then they have no night roles to select, yet you say they individually "can use one role per NP aside from the NK". Unless you consider a passive role a "role use," that doesn't match.

Second, here's the text from the OP in DP1: "7 of the following 9 Role Categories belong to the town. Mafia will have role options to pick from not on this list however." Specifically, the "list" he's referring to is the Categories, not the list of available roles under them. Maybe that leaves some leeway for certain roles, but it puts Godfather in a tricky spot since it's clearly a Passive role.

Honestly, I don't know why everyone seems so ready to townread you for this. This entire argument is WIFOM.

Claiming you chose a non-confirmable role that looks like the information behind it could be confirmed by flips seems like a genuinely good tactic for scum. I understand that there's value in claiming a confirmable role, but considering your own claim put the spotlight chiefly on confirmable roles, I can see you doing it as scum. Sincerely, why not? Because there's value in being confirmable?

Everyone that's been sussed so far has been confirmable. Austin had a confirmable role and was lynched. Savant arguably was confirmable as well. It didn't save them.

I think a lot of people gave you a pass because they thought this was risky, but I sincerely don't see a huge risk at all if you only tie yourself to one other player's flip.

First, that kind of throws a wrench into your whole "they have an every night role" part of this explanation. If scum have a Godfather and a 1X Day Vig, then they have no night roles to select, yet you say they individually "can use one role per NP aside from the NK". Unless you consider a passive role a "role use," that doesn't match.

Grey is not a confirmed town. Obvious I’d assume you say yourself as confirmed townie but you are not confirmed either. You are simply just a town read. Austin is the only confirmed

For someone who is adamant on role =/= affil. You are very ballsy to call GP confirmed town

WF probs town by role because why else did I get options for Miller and Gravedigger.

GF probs town by role, if we lose to that than w/e.

Casey, Earth, Vader, Pie.

I'd probs take Pie out for the check and the mech that Casey is claiming, as well as generalized aggression that I associate with town pie.

I think it's correct just to have Earth place his vote on Casey and shoot Vader, and then we decide from there.

Thoughts?

I read the last page. I'm okay with vigging Vader.

Idk what every night role entails. I received no clarification whether it’s an active or passive role. Regardless, if it’s passive, it could be GF, if it’s active, it could be a Lawyer. 

Yes, options to pick from not on this list implies the special category for scum. Just cause GF is a passive role doesn’t mean it can’t be in the scum category of roles.

I spelled it out. You’d have to assume I chose a non-confirmable role as scum. On top of that, I made up the entire Informed claim information. On top of that, I am WIFOMing this entire argument. Literally that’s a million assumptions to make.

Yes? There is clear value in being confirmable. Scum don’t know that I knew that they have 2 roles. If they have confirmable roles, they just POE the non-confirmable roles into oblivion. It’s easy for them to.

You and I are the only ones who have roles that aren’t confirmable based on everyone that has claimed.  I read you as town. I want to lynch to Vader today. Tomorrow we can decide on Earth/Casey. Earth hasn’t played in a townie manner at all. 

Again. You’re arguing that I would go out of my way to choose a non-confirmable role in the hopes that all the townies got confirmable roles and I can WIFOM the fact that I chose a non-confirmable role. Wym tie it to one player’s flip? 

I don't quite understand this argument. Pie said that the mafia selected from a list of mafia-exclusive roles, so presumably they could have picked something other than what they did. Also, Pie said that they have two roles each. So, one might be a Godfather while the other has an active role.

See my responses to Pie. My point is not that scum could not possibly have picked Godfather as a role. My point was that it makes part of his information suspect if Earth specifically did, since it creates a non-choice between using his roles, whereas Pie's info strongly suggests a requirement exists for each scum player to choose.

We’re arguing for zero reason. If you think the team is Casey/Vader, we’ve already won the game.

I’m fine with Earth shooting Vader, but he can’t vote again after that if he’s alive in future DPs, which would be a problem for us. That’s why I’m saying we should force Earth to shoot Vader, then lynch Earth (just to be safe + utility). If Earth is indeed town it is 3-1 MYLO tomorrow. And then lynch Casey or VTNL for better odds in a 2-1. With one of Pie/Austin/GP alive as town and Casey/Whiteflame.

If we leave Earth alive and he shoots Supa and Earth is a townie, we’re permanently down a vote. We cannot win at MYLO with a Townie Earth alive. So the option is make Earth shoot Vader and then lynch Earth. Or just lynch Vader right now. I like the former option because I townread WF and it would leave Casey as confirmed scum in 2-1.

At this point, I'm not believing that because I think you're putting us in a place where Vader and Earth get killed first and then Casey. At least one person between Vader and Casey are scum. That's my position. If that's true, then we should absolutely not lynch Earth under any circumstances this DP, and when you argue this:

I'm entirely baffled. This argument relies on there being one scum between Vader and Earth. That's possible, but I'd say we're guaranteed to hit scum if we shoot Vader and lynch Casey (or vice versa, which right now, is what I'm supporting), since they cover all possible scum pairs, whereas this is a gamble based on one possible scum pair.

I still don’t understand what your point is. I’ve said that scum can have 2 roles each. If they have 2 active roles, they can use only one per DP/NP cycle. 

Even though scum have a total of 4 roles, they can use one role per NP aside from the NK.

Okay so you want to lynch Casey today? Fine with me.

That’s fine with me. It’s POE either way. Cause there’s 2 scum in Earth, Casey, Supa. If you townread Earth and Vader flips scum, we can lynch Casey.