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@Mharman
@ADreamOfLiberty
So… wait, which of you is joining this game?
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@whiteflame
@ADreamOfLiberty
@Casey_Risk
ok i didn't notice. Go ahead ADOL
I am not replacing in then.
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@Earth
It really is just PoE. That2, Savant and Banana are in my town block, and when you include myself in, thats basically half the player list in my town pile. I understand how it might be frustrating to deal with a player like me, but when you have people like Cerulean who is just vibing in the corner, it seems a little silly to me. I'm not totally against outting my character, I just feel like I need to see a plan and not just give it because you want it.
We can go for cerulean next. He’s at least contributed something. You hadn’t contributed much until I asked you to post reads, which you half assed anyways
Link people to post 153 if there's any confusion in the future
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@Earth
If it’s solely PoE, then I’d still like to know how you’re eliminating so many people.
As for a plan, at this point, the plan is to try to inform a lynch. Information will help that, and given that we know so little about your thought process, it’s one way we can decide where you fall in our reads.
Absent that, what’s your plan?
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@whiteflame
He doesn’t have a plan besides being anti-town in games
Hi all- Sorry for being MIA for the last day or so. I'm going to catch up and figure out where I'm at in terms of voting.
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@ILikePie5
I suspect as much. I don’t love that he’s calling others out for not having one when he clearly doesn’t have much to add. I’m fine with getting someone else’s claim if necessary, but I’ll want a good reason for his intransigence later.
In terms of Cerulean, I’m fine with considering him, though given that he just posted and said he’ll give some details of his reads, I’ll simply abstain for now.
Unvote
Jeez, some of us have day jobs. Ok ok I'm reading.
Not... as many posts as I would have expected. Guess that makes it easier to catch up.
Danilay/ADOL slot is a 0-poster, skipping that.
I'm still uneasy about the That2 slot and the claim confusion, but I think I would much rather give it at least one night and see if anything happens related to it before lynching there. The particular claim seems like one that Mafia would make, and the way it was handled wasn't great, but it does also fit well with a person who seems famous enough to be in a game like this.
I was bouncing back and forth on whether Lunatic's interaction there was more "Town locking in on an issue" or "Mafia going after an easy vote." I think it's more likely the former just because he went through a lot of clarifications- which did in fact turn out to be unhelpful- before actually placing a vote.
Pie I'm not very happy with at the moment. I don't really like the Vader (That's "Supa," right?) sus for hanging around the edges when they proposed the claiming idea in the first place, I don't agree that their posts were all fluff. And I'm not a big fan of the whole "be indirect but specific" idea, because I'm pretty sure he's played at least one game here where anti-claim doesn't require calling out an explicit claim. It could loophole anti-claim, but it could just as easily be giving Mafia free fodder for whatever that might be, no?
Vader I was initially worried about hanging around the edges, but on the contrary, I think they've contributed well. The Russian/Soviet idea is a decent way to force Mafia into partial claiming here, and they were pretty open about reads fairly early.
Banana, for Day 1 when we don't have a lot to go on, I will defer to the multiple people saying she wouldn't draw attention to herself like this as scum after last game. Whatever happened there.
Continuing next post...
I miss the post ISO feature.
Actually, have to aside to say something. I see Pie saying multiple times that he wants to be lynched the day before MYLO. This is a really small thing but it feels significant and I'd love a sanity check about whether or not I'm insane. MYLO is when Town > Mafia by exactly 2 at the start of a Day. But that wouldn't usually happen in a case like this, right? Days usually start with an odd number of players. So usually, the phase where the game is at stake is LYLO, (4-3, 3-2, 2-1), not MYLO. Unless you had a 3P in the mix, an extra kill, or a missed kill.
So I'm wondering if this could be a 3P slip. Or a Mafia KP slip? Not sure. Someone tell me if I'm crazy or not.
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@Cerulean
MYLO- Equals mislynch and lose. EX 1 mafia 3 town. A Mislynch here, plus a night kill brings mafia to parity.
LYLO- Lynch correctly or lose. EX 1 mafia 2 town. Town has to lynch correctly to lose.
AS far as pies situation, I don't think odd day factors into anything here, numbers can be brought about in any numerous way, factoring for multiple kills including town killing roles, etc. Games on Dart can be kind of crazy. Anyways, pie needing to die before MYLO is probably a town tell unless he is jester or his third party wincon is to die on a certain day phase or something.
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@Cerulean
I was thinking the same thing. Like a hunter role or something where you kill somebody upon death, in which case he should be killed at MyLO or LYLO but if it's scum sided it makes sense to do it a bit early.
If he is town I could see him wanting the game in his hands at that point and not wanting to wait until the last minute, but he's also good enough at this game to know you always lynch hunters at MyLO or LYLO. We also wouldn't know the day before MyLO because the day before I think we would assume we are going to lynch correctly and not get to that point.
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@Vader
[Wylted]
It's 5 posts total. This seems nonsensicalVTL vader
Talk about thin justifications...
[Vader]
Are you a part of the Soviet Union history or from Russia historyMy character is before the Soviet Union formation
Seems a reasonable hypothesis for a character split.
I'm from Russian history
Running summary:
ADOL: Russia
Savant: Russia
ADOL: Russia
Savant: Russia
Lunatic: Russia
Earth: Russia
ILikePie: Russia
Banana: Russia
Whiteflame: Soviet
Cerulean: Soviet
That2User: Russian but active in the time of transition, claiming Anastasia
iamanabanana defends That2User
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't coming for you, and just because a mob is being irrational doesn't mean the victim is innocent.
*narrows eyes*
Sight suspicion on That2User and iamanabanana.
Null on the rest, no idea what Earth is supposed to have said that was suspicious. Dismissing role confirmation doesn't seem like a good idea. Any information that can be corroborated is advantageous for town.
Okay, back on track.
Earth is probably unpaired with Pie if Pie scum because 107 and 108 is just so blatant. I can see Pie doing that, but I struggle to see Earth doing that in a paired world. In any case, Earth is never a big talker, so that's not indicative one way or another. I'm not a huge fan of his behavior, especially the dismissiveness in 120. Also not a big fan of his POE because I don't think it can have more than 1 Mafia. Not a big fan of Earth in general, really.
Most of my WF read here is based on the recent reads list. A lot of the information in it seems like it's based on the That2 Controversy (which will inspire 6 hour long video essays years from now). As much as I don't like the whole "only one scum read" thing, that is also unfortunately a Whiteflame Classic that I will simply have to cope with. Maybe a slightish town lean?
WyIted
Giys I am going to be useless this game unlesI make something happen with my role, so the first strong town read I get I am just going to srongly support whatever they are doing.
Thumbs down. I know you can do better than that.
I think Savant is probably town because of the early oopsie, but the thing that makes me unwilling to fully send that is how immediately everyone seemed on board with calling the slot town when the OP explicitly says:
There is a fakeclaim mechanic in play, as well.
I'm going to go on a run, cogitate a little more. Hit me with your feedback about this. I'll be back in a little while.
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@Mharman
Do you want to replace in?
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@Lunatic
My main point is that saying LYLO is usually the "default," so it seems significant to me that he's saying "MYLO" instead. That terminology does get used here often enough that it wouldn't be confused, right?
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@Cerulean
And I'm not a big fan of the whole "be indirect but specific" idea, because I'm pretty sure he's played at least one game here where anti-claim doesn't require calling out an explicit claim. It could loophole anti-claim, but it could just as easily be giving Mafia free fodder for whatever that might be, no?
I’ve actually never played in an anti claim game
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@Cerulean
Actually, have to aside to say something. I see Pie saying multiple times that he wants to be lynched the day before MYLO. This is a really small thing but it feels significant and I'd love a sanity check about whether or not I'm insane. MYLO is when Town > Mafia by exactly 2 at the start of a Day. But that wouldn't usually happen in a case like this, right? Days usually start with an odd number of players. So usually, the phase where the game is at stake is LYLO, (4-3, 3-2, 2-1), not MYLO. Unless you had a 3P in the mix, an extra kill, or a missed kill.So I'm wondering if this could be a 3P slip. Or a Mafia KP slip? Not sure. Someone tell me if I'm crazy or not.
My role is most useful after I am dead. I would prefer to be lynched the day before MYLO, aka when it’s 5-1.
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@WyIted
If he is town I could see him wanting the game in his hands at that point and not wanting to wait until the last minute, but he's also good enough at this game to know you always lynch hunters at MyLO or LYLO. We also wouldn't know the day before MyLO because the day before I think we would assume we are going to lynch correctly and not get to that point.
I want to be lynched before MYLO, not on MYLO
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@Cerulean
My main point is that saying LYLO is usually the "default," so it seems significant to me that he's saying "MYLO" instead. That terminology does get used here often enough that it wouldn't be confused, right?
Yes MYLO is common terminology here. Me dying at 5-1 will give me the most utility with my role. I’m also fine dying at 7-1 as well though it will provide less utility
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@ILikePie5
I think I am forced to town read you,
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@ILikePie5
I’ve actually never played in an anti claim game
Was Albums Mafia that forgettable? The one where you were scum with access to an anti-claim ability?
My point about LYLO/MYLO is that we have 11 players. If there were, say, 3 Mafia, worst-case would typically go:
8-3 at Day -> 7-3 at Night -> 6-3 at Day -> 5-3 at Night -> 4-3 at Day (LYLO)
In order for that to reach MYLO instead of LYLO, there would need to be an extra kill, a missed kill, or a 3P. It wouldn't be the "default" of the game. So I don't get why you were saying one over the other.
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@WyIted
For who?
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@WyIted
A replacement has already been made; Danilaykus has been replaced by ADreamOfLiberty. No further replacements are necessary at this time.
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@Cerulean
Was Albums Mafia that forgettable? The one where you were scum with access to an anti-claim ability?
True, forgot about that game.
My point about LYLO/MYLO is that we have 11 players. If there were, say, 3 Mafia, worst-case would typically go:8-3 at Day -> 7-3 at Night -> 6-3 at Day -> 5-3 at Night -> 4-3 at Day (LYLO)In order for that to reach MYLO instead of LYLO, there would need to be an extra kill, a missed kill, or a 3P. It wouldn't be the "default" of the game. So I don't get why you were saying one over the other.
I genuinely don’t care as long as it’s a day before MYLO or LYLO. I didn’t mean one over the other. I better way ig I could’ve said it is MYLO/LYLO
Sorry have been swarmed with projects and activity has been lower but going to catch up