The Russian Mafia DP2

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Hold on? I need to check something but didn't Wylted claim what Savant's character is?
Nah he chat GPT'ed his character and figured it out.
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Anyway, it’s really late and I’m tired. I see Luna’s post about the Dreamer result, I’ll come back to that in the morning.
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@Lunatic
Yeah I read that whoops I thought I big brained that
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I guess that's a fair strategy that worked out really well for you, but even then wifom you could apply the same logic but take down 3 town. 
Idk how to argue against the "you could be wifoming" argument, because that is wifom in and of itself. I guess do you have any reason to scum read me other than being dubious of what would otherwise be an extremely ballsy claim? 
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Yeah exactly I'm just airing my thoughts.

I am inclined to believe you for the most part. Feel like your responses have been towny and the character aligns really well to the role. I also just feel like having it every night is way too OP as well that it might just HAVE to be town cuz if I was scum I would've just claimed the 1x to play it safe.


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 No real scum read just kind of pointing out this shouldn't be fully believed and kind of wanted to gauge the response you gave
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@Vader
Fair enough.
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I think it's fair to suggest full claims from those on my results at the very least. One of you three is scum, the other two are town confirmed. 
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Honestly there is some good feedback with the results though.

I will say I feel like ADOL has been harping on this theme split a bit that's only a slight indicator (though the pattern is holding strong). However I feel like the theme would've been easily discovered by scum and they would've fake claimed something else. I think his adamence to push seems a bit sus but I am not sure if that fits the meta (if anyone knows)
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I also think this is a game where it's not hard to fake claim if you discover the theme. It's a countries history and you can point out a shit of people to choose from if they've been around for a while. 
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@Vader
Honestly there is some good feedback with the results though.

I will say I feel like ADOL has been harping on this theme split a bit that's only a slight indicator (though the pattern is holding strong). However I feel like the theme would've been easily discovered by scum and they would've fake claimed something else. I think his adamence to push seems a bit sus but I am not sure if that fits the meta (if anyone knows)

To be fair I believe it is his second game, in Eragon mafia he was pretty focused on the theme split too (I kind of was as well). That said, I don't know his scum meta, chances are he would just stick to the same thing he did as town, so it's a null tell for me. I did like his opening effort to the game though. 
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I also agree that mafia probably know the the split and will or have fake claims ready to avoid that. But I could be wrong. 
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Yep. One of That2User, Banana, and ADOL is scum. I am Dmitri Mendeleev, the Dreamer. Justification is that my character was a super smart chemist who discovered three elements on the periodic table after waking up from a dream about it and writing it down immediately. I can apparently receive results every night as long as I am not visited, and 1 mafia will appear on my results no matter what. Seems kind of OP, but is what it is. 
Exactly one scum or at least one scum? Did Casey specify?
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  2. Lunatic - Dmitri Mendeleev - Dreamer
  3. That2User - Anastasia - Beloved Princess
  4. whiteflame - Leon Trotsky - ???
  5. Vader
  6. iamanabanana - Ivan III - ???
  7. Mharman
  8. Cerulean
  9. ADreamOfLiberty

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I think it's fair to suggest full claims from those on my results at the very least. One of you three is scum, the other two are town confirmed. 
I am Ivan IV AKA Ivan the Terrible. I am the 1x town executioner, because I was paranoid of betrayal and committed the massacre of Novgorod. Also because I murdered my son Ivan in a rage. I hinted to pie my role last day phase, and can prove it at any time, as long as a person has at least half the votes on them, rounded up if it's an odd number.

I am genuinely confused why casey put that Earth is the first tsar, because my role PM literally says the same thing.

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Oh boy, a Town Executioner? Idk about that

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  2. Lunatic - Dmitri Mendeleev - Dreamer
  3. That2User - Anastasia - Beloved Princess
  4. whiteflame - Leon Trotsky - ???
  5. Vader
  6. iamanabanana - Ivan IV - 1x Executioner
  7. Mharman
  8. Cerulean
  9. ADreamOfLiberty

Earth - Ivan III - Neighborizer
Savant - Sergei Witte - DP2 Emissary
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@ILikePie5
Exactly one scum or at least one scum? Did Casey specify?
Good question. I assumed no, but I asked her this: "Could I potentially keep getting the same mafia on each result or would you allowed both mafia to be on separate results? Would any name ever appear twice on subsequent night phases?"

She replied: 

"It would have been randomized each night. One night's dream would not have affected subsequent dreams. Yes, at least one mafia would have shown up every night."

Now that you mention it re-reading the bolded part makes me question if I could get two on the same result, something I did not specifically ask. I will ask now. I just assumed no. I've never had this role before. 
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Full claim please
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@Lunatic
Really good fake claim if you’re scum btw

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Oh boy, a Town Executioner? Idk about that
Yeah... I was thinking like roleblocker, politician, double voter, redirector,  something like that. I've seen those on town, but never an executioner... 
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Really good fake claim if you’re scum btw
Wish I could take credit for the compliment, but unfortunately I cannot, but thanks anyway lol
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@Lunatic
Yep. One of That2User, Banana, and ADOL is scum.
Are you sure its one, or could it be more than one?

iamanabanana defended That2User but if it only one mafia per dream then they can't be a team.

At the same time, if that was a rule, it would only take three rounds to eliminate many people as scum and it really would be super OP. Except if this is all true and Lunatic is town, mafia will kill him next.

So if Lunatic shows up dead, the claim is validated and town should kill everyone on that list until scum is found. Given that there is scant evidence besides this claim, it seems ideal to start killing people on the list right away.

Unfortunately I'm on the list, which means I guess I have to make an argument as to why the other two are more scummy.

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Banana tried to defend someone who hasn't been validated (That2User), the only guy I defended was Earth who was innocent.

That's all I got. I'll vote to lynch either of the other two.
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Exactly one scum or at least one scum? Did Casey specify?
Okay I just asked casey if it was possible to get more than one scum on a result, and she replied yes. So that's interesting. 
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What is your character, role, and justification?
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@Lunatic
Yeah... I was thinking like roleblocker, politician, double voter, redirector,  something like that. I've seen those on town, but never an executioner... 
ya I just checked MafiaScum and a Town Executioner is possible. Behaviorally Banana is town imo. That2’s Princess doesn’t make sense now that Savant is dead. His role was random. Nothing to do with Beloved Princess.
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Are you sure its one, or could it be more than one?
pie just asked me the same thing. I assumed it meant only one, but after clarifying with casey, multiple scum can be on the results. The only rule seeming to be no matter one at least one scum will be on the results. I guess this makes the role less OP than I initially figured, as we aren't getting guaranteed town confirmations after finding the scum. 
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ya I just checked MafiaScum and a Town Executioner is possible. Behaviorally Banana is town imo. That2’s Princess doesn’t make sense now that Savant is dead. His role was random. Nothing to do with Beloved Princess.
Yeah im really not sure why he kept saying his role made sense with that2users role. He did  say that multiple times. 
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Banana tried to defend someone who hasn't been validated (That2User)
I didn't really "defend" her, I was asked my thoughts on the situation and I just didn't like that it seemed everyone was dog-piling her, it seemed more likely town heading down the wrong path. Now obviously I am re-considering that. But yeah have you even claimed yet?
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Why do you ask?