The second coming of Christ (not Jesus)

What is the problem with sanctified, incorruptible, resurrected fleshy in heaven? Thus, the angel told the crowd observing Christ's ascension to heaven, that he would return and we should see him as he ascended; ion the flesh. Christ told his disciples that as he was, so is the Father. He is a body of flesh, s well.  When Christ returns, he will once again have "the fruit if the vine" with his disciples. A spirit drinks? I don't suppose so. 

"Think it not strange, if  heaven has a care,

To justice, good, forthright and fair,

If after our Lord brings us there,

'He serves us chocolate, all seasons of the year."

A Christmas greeting card verse I wrote about 20 years ago.

A tribute to his common sense of justice applied to eating, to allow us to be with him, and to celebrate  our being there, together. What better course might we consume. Dark chocolate - 80% range,  that is; the only variety that fully satisfies by flavor intensity.

You haven’t changed much since then.

I read it and said be ready to give an answer. Being crucified and resurrected has nothing to do with flesh and blood so it is not answering the question.

When you can't answer you move the goalpost.

Even after resurrection he didn't say he was flesh and blood so you're condemned there. He was no longer the same son that was not glorified that could shed blood.

The problem is not with any of what you said. The issue is believing that the Son of Mary never came to an end.

They we have known Christ after the flesh, right now and here after know we him no more.

Correction: though we have known him.

Still the similarities with what contactees state about it. The new evolved human bodies will be based on silice and not carbon as it is now.

I just wonder why religious people keep holding on mysticism when it's totally possible nowadays to explain those things using science and common sense. Why do we have to believe in fairy tales and things that are done using a magic wand?

Do you really think there is an all mighty God that has a magic wand and all of a sudden create a new body for people? Isn't it better to believe there are genetic engineers from other planets that have been working in a human body?

Do you really think Jesus ascended to heaven and get lost in a cloud when ascending? Isn't it better to believe that this cloud was actually an alien ship that was waiting for Jesus? In fact I heard there is an alien mothership called "New Jerusalem" as big as a whole country or American State.

I heard a bit about the story of Joseph Smith and I think he was very likely contacted by fkn aliens, not angels. However, his version of the facts is obviously adjusted to his level of understanding of how the world works which was very poor back then.

I heard a lot of times from Mormons that a new planet is waiting for us where people and animals live in peace and harmony, I mean judging by the fancy drawings of the leaflets they usually hand over to people. This is very interesting because this is actually what the aliens are preparing for human beings.

At any rate, you can believe in whatever you want. I'm just questioning the religious fanatism, I think it doesn’t help us understand the truth because it doesnt allow us to see further and progress. 

RThe problem appears to be your shifting goalpost. First it's whether Jesus Christ [does anyone doubt he is "the Son of Mary," yet you continue toe refer to him as that rather than his name- but you seem to have dropped the added reference of "son of God] and whether or not he is in heaven. I've answered both questions of my perspective. Now the question is whether he ever came to an end. My answer is, no, because I do not see death as an end of existence, but merely a door through which all who have live on earth in the flesh will pass not perfected, uncorrupted flesh.

I have never said this is fairy tale and a magic wand. I accept that right now,  the process of resurrection from death, particularly if one's body is blown to smitheries for example, with noting to bury and how resurrection processes in any instance, even with a fully incorporated dead body, is fully understood;  just that it happens and does not involve magic of any kind, but a process that is entirely natural. We cannot claim to know how all such processes work, just that  do and will when necessary. Scientific knowledge is not yet complete, but that does not imply that magic explains the unknown.

No, I do not believe God uses a magic wand. I believe he understands natural law and far greater extent than we do, and employs it by word of command, just as we have some power to engage natural law by our "command," i,.e., making use of the processes of natural law we do understand now, and will continue to learn because there is no end to gaining new knowledge, and gaining the experience to use it.

Your question of how Jesus ascended to heaven goes back to assertion of magic. It's merely a process we do not yet undirstrand, in agreement with my immediate previous statement. I believe in scientific principle, I just don't think we have yet plumbed the depth of it. We will. That is what eternity is for.

Aliens, not angels? Does it really matter what we call "off-Earth aliens?" We use that term, now, and it is probably accurate - people who do not live on Earth, or at least were not born here, or are people who were born here, and have advanced, some have been resurrected and now come back from time to time. Just because some of these "aliens" call themselves names, God the Father, Jesus Christ, Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John, Gabriel, and who knows who else - does all that make any difference? I believe the universe is fully inhabited by people like us, and who may have different traits than we express, like maybe having long, sentient tails and blue skin, and oneness with nature, and we, ourselves, express a wide variety of appearance, but all humanoid. Hell, we have not yet even reached agreement that we area all really the same under the skin, and until we do, we blunt our progress. Thus, in the end analysis, I do. not separate science and religion. Not just two coins, and not even just one coin of two sides, but the same side of one coin. And how these "aliens" travel about the universe... a spaceship? perhaps, some. Others may have learned how to transport themselves by command of thought. Who knows? One day, we will know. I can live with the temporary disappointment of not yet knowing all things. Sometimes I wonder if God, himself, knows all things, or has experienced all things, yet. I argue that the body of knowledge is endless, and that he, our God the Father - and I believe there are many such individuals with children spread across the universe, like us, gong through our same experience of eternal progression. We are not alone, but I do think we are all ultimately related. That means I believe God has brothers, and sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents, and so on...all have become gods, leading and teaching their children...

Is Father God's name Jesus Christ according to the scripture?

Did Father God get crucified, died and pierced on the cross?

"all who have live on earth in the flesh will pass not perfected, uncorrupted flesh."

What do you mean by "pass not perfected, uncorrupted flesh" and what does it have to do with Jesus Christ whom was never to return to corruption?

The Old Testament/Hebrew Bible reveals YHWH (often vocalized with vowels as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah") as the personal name of God.

No, god the father did not get crucified or die on the cross. Jesus did. Jesus was the son of god.

Death is a door through which all who shave lived on Earth in the flesh will pass, but with perfected, uncorrupted flesh

is what that phrase should have said in my post #97. I mangled it. Sorry.

"Yahweh" or "Jehovah" are names for the pre-mortal Jesus Christ, It is he who is the God of the OT, except for a few references, such as the creation story of Genesis in which both are participants, and a couple of other references.  "Elohim" is as name some Bible scholars attribute to God, the Father, but that name, in Hebrew, is a plural name, i.e., reference to a collection of Gods, chiefly those participating in Genesis creation, thus "Let us create man in our likeness..." Plural Hebrew bound usually en in "I'm," but, even so, on rare occasion, the name is used in the singular, and some Hebrew scholars have allowed that the reference is to Jesus. The name is also seen as "Eloi" as a transliteration of ancient Egyptian texts, potentially learned from Abraham when he journeyed to Egypt for a time.