Game Show Mafia DP1

If someone else will verify that’s some strict town meta, I’ll go back and re read it all again with that in mind but everything in my gut is pointing a finger at her as a good Poe target.

Should we do something similar to what we did in Villainous Villains and have everyone say whether their character is real or fictional? [Me]

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Why ask without starting the train

Me

Real- dead

Next person 

JoeBob [Wylted]

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Never mind on the next one comment. Next Casey [Wylted]

Do yall see what I’m seeing regarding this post?

You have more credibility if you claim before you read through to see what claims to avoid as well

I appreciate the read set, even if I disagree with your read on me in particular. I'll post a set of reads myself later when I can sit down and write it out.

As for responding to the specifics, frankly, I don't have a clear strategy. I've said if people want my claim, they can push me for it, but I don't love that it's becoming the norm for Mikal to start in on me because he got me last game. That doesn't strike me as effective game strategy to just keep pushing the same person game after game, and it's frankly frustrating because, in both games, the reasoning has been that I suck at fake claiming and am active. I don't know exactly how you think I should respond to that if you think this response is scummy. I'm not going to vanish into the background so I'm inactive enough that he forgets me, and I'm not just going to surrender information on that basis. At the same time, I'm also not just going to sit here defending myself so, yeah, I put all of one post's worth of attention on one of the inactives.

None of that really matters, though. If you think what I've said so far is scummy and other people agree, I'll give my claim and we can get this over with.  - WHITEFLAME

Okay, maybe I'm wrong here. But there's these little things I just can't quite shake. It's small, but DP1 is the time to push people based on small, possibly nothing things. And I know I'm probably not going to have the time to build a case against anyone until Saturday, so I have to put myself out there and do this now.

VTL Mikal

Let me make my post explaining my case

Uh, rephrase?

Reads List 2.0

Each player is assigned an estimated probability of being town based on how towny or scummy they are. The average probability of being town is 70%, since there are 7 town players besides me and 3 scum players.

Casey_Risk

• Town Lean (77.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: SKdp1, SKdp2, SKdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: Gunplaydp1, Gunplaydp2, Gunplaydp3
  
• #78 - TL - I don’t think scum Casey would agree with no lynch either, but this is a towny concern to bring up.
  
• #80, #86, #91 - TL - I agree with the read on banana, and I think defending other players like this for pretty justifiable reasons is pro-town. Some of these things not being super AI is why my reads aren’t super strong at the moment, but I thought it was worth taking everything into account. I think generously town reading players is an unlikely scum play, and it indicates that Casey is not worried about POE getting too small around them.
  
• #81 - TL - Not super indicative, but I think enthusiasm for sharing role information is generally a good sign.
  
• #98, #102, #129, #147 - TL - Feels like genuine scum hunting, inquiry, and theme analysis.
  
• #155, #190 - SL - The first post seemed like it could be genuine, and I’ve seen townies with convictions like this. However, in the second post, it’s odd that Casey quoted Mikal without noting that Luna said the tactic didn’t go against the rules. Might indicate that Casey objected for the purpose of hindering town.
  
• #129, #193, #200, #210 - TL - Concise and reasonable. Casey stuck more to the details of other people’s posts in their town game (Serial Killers) here and here for example, but tended to ramble and be more verbose in their scum game here and here for example. Also drawing more attention to themselves than they need to just to ask questions, which I don’t think scum would expect to be town read for.
  
• #205 - TL - Town reading another player they don’t have to, but mostly with substantive info. Could have been more concise in response to my previous post to be more town read but wasn’t. (And despite having a paragraph it doesn’t feel like rambling.) Fixation on a small detail that town might genuinely be bugged by but that scum would probably avoid going down for fear of looking like they’re trying to invent an issue.
  
• #218, #227, #228 - TL - More solid, pro-town analysis that seems like noticeable effort to identify scum and town
  

Mikal

• Town Lean (75.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, Riddledp1, Riddledp2
  
• Playing as Scum: Ozarkdp1, Ozarkdp2, Ozarkdp3
  
• #16 - TL - An early post where the vote seems more substantive than for “joke” reasons, even if the goal is just to get someone’s attention, it’s not presented alongside a quip.
  
• #18, #25, #27 - TL - Ticking off another player like this would be an odd move coming from scum. Really I only see it biasing people against Mikal, hence I’m inclined to town read it. WIFOM, I know, but I just don’t see Mikal banking on being town read for being annoying.
  
• #34, #57, #137 - TL - I like that Mikal is taking the lead, and the explanation of the even-odd strat seems largely towny.
  
• #36, #38 - TL - Confronting another player out the gate is good, and Mikal is asking something I was curious about as well. This is pro-town at the very least. Also Mikal tends to be more confrontational as town (here, here, here, here) and more laid-back as scum (here, here, here)
  
• #165 - TL - This kind of indecision and uncertainty about another player comes from town more often than from scum.
  
• #209 - TL - Sticks to his guns without planting additional seeds for a push.
  

iamabanana

• Town Lean (72.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: BBdp1, BBdp2
  
• #7 - TL - Posting early draws attention, and I don’t think scum would be inclined to do so without a joke or something to justify the post, seem natural, etc.
  
• #33, #41 - T - I don’t see scum Banana coming out and giving info about her role without being asked. She’s played a few games, so it’s possible for this to be a tactic, but I think scum wouldn’t play this risky.
  
• #198 - LT - I like how banana sticks to her guns here, and the answer seems focused on town perspective rather than just being defensive.
  
• #199 - LT - Putting pressure on inactives like this is a town concern, and her response before is long and noticeable enough that just voting for Moozer wouldn’t be done to divert attention. If banana were scum under pressure, I think she would focus on either putting pressure on Moozer or giving a sufficient defense (not both).
  

Earth

• Town Lean (72.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: RRV2dp1, RRV2dp2, RRV2dp3
  
• #35 - TL - For an infrequent poster, drawing attention early without a need comes across as more instinctive to town than to scum.
  
• #117 - TL - I don’t think scum Earth would offer to out his show without prompting.
  
• #157 - TL - Pro-town imo to advocate this strategy, even offering a way to make it more feasible.
  
• #235, #239, #240 - T - So much agreement here, and I’ll give Earth more credit for this than someone like WF (who is very towny as scum). If anything, I might suspect that Earth is copying my reads, but overall his reasoning is close to what I would say.
  

Mharman

• Town Lean (72%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
  
• #60, #61 - TL - Strategizing that doesn’t give off any red flags. There’s a question posed to Pie that could be manipulative but seems more like an attempt to get a read, and I like that. Don’t know that scum would have thought to do that.
  
• #105 - T - The read on Mikal seems genuine. I have a hard time seeing scum suspect someone and then give a reason why they actually might not be suspicious with zero pushback.
  
• #143, #144, #145 - TL - More questions that seem like they’re coming from a towny perspective, I don’t think scum Mharman would pretend not to know if scum have questions just to get town read.
  

iLikePie5

• Null (70%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, TRdp1
  
• Playing as Scum: TVdp1, TVdp2
  
• #48, #49, #51 - TL - I like that Pie’s first posts are immediately about the game, no attempts to gain cred just through agreeableness.
  
• #55, #119, #120 - NAI - After reading Casey’s post, I agree that this probably isn’t a town slip. Pie’s explanation is fine. I could see these posts coming from either alignment
  
• #121, #122, #124, #126, #127 - SL - Pie is active as usual, which isn’t particularly AI, but his posts seem kind of noncommittal, mostly agreeing or giving meta information about players. Kind of the bare minimum to appear active.
  
• #125 - TL - I like that Pie is challenging a player, somewhat mitigates with my concerns about the other posts being noncommittal
  
• #136, #138 - TL - Towny concerns, and it somewhat convinces me the earlier meta analysis was genuinely aimed toward helping town
  
• #141, #142 - TL - Retracting an accusation like that indicates to me it was probably sincere. Could be faked or maybe forced by the situation, but I don’t think scum Pie would back down out of fear or plan to challenge and then back down.
  

Wylted

• Scum Lean (66%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, CoDdp1
  
• Playing as Scum: Castledp1
  
• #3 - SL - I know it’s WIFOM, but if this post is alignment indicative (not convinced it is), I think the intent is to appear unafraid of gaining attention and hence towny, especially since WyIted is usually given a pass for such posts. Which in turn makes it a strategic move for scum.
  
• #45 - SL - I don’t love that WyIted immediately qualifies his claim with a fun fact about reality shows. If he gave that information separately, it would be fine, but I think that when people are being deceptive or discussing information they don’t want revealed, they have a tendency to immediately answer the question and then change the subject.
  
• #77 - TL - The concern here seems towny, since we are only a few pages in.
  
• #93, #95, #97, #103, #108 - TL - This actually mitigates some of my previous concerns, it comes across as WyIted genuinely being interested in theme analysis and the topic in general.
  

whiteflame

• Scum Lean (65%)
  
• Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
  
• #16 - SL - With WF it’s always difficult to tell, but starting the game with something unrelated to this particular game seems more aimed at gaining town cred through camaraderie.
  
• #17, #21, #23 - SL - I understand WF’s frustration here, I really do, but their reasons for refusing Mikal aren’t framed from a game strategy perspective. The case could be made that Mikal’s strategy does work for reading WF, and WF only challenges it out of personal distaste. Casey is probably right that this isn’t that significant, so the lean is very slight.
  
• #28 - SL - After being pressured, I think this post could be made to change the subject, which WF can get away with because of Mikal’s brash demeanor, and the formalities beside the vote could be meant to ensure the vote isn’t met with hostility. I think town would be more inclined to pressure other players, while scum would be more inclined to befriend them
  
• #32 - TL - WF complimenting Mikal’s strategy like this actually strikes me as more towny than scummy. It’s WF, and he could easily be thinking that giving credence to Mikal here is the towny move; however, I think there were alternative responses that could have been more strategic for scum and planted bigger seeds for suspecting Mikal
  
• #75 - TL - The frustration seems towny, and it indicates to me that the previous frustration was likely genuine as well, not solely to avoid pressure.
  
• #106 - SL - Feels a bit like WF is planting seeds for suspicion on Mikal without outright saying it or giving reads. Also when responding to a call for engagement, this post seems like it throws suspicion toward the most convenient player rather than analyzing the game as a whole and really scum hunting.
  
• #109, #115 - SL - I think a town player would be more likely to start making progress from what they have. Waiting for claims and for inactives to post (not even the first to note inactive players) could be a convenient way to test the waters.
  
• #234 - LT - I’m seeing a good amount of effort here put into explaining the “why” behind his reads, and all of it seems fairly logical from a town perspective. I agree with him here more than I disagree with him, and I don’t see any opportunistic scum reads or possibly partnered town reads sticking out.
  
• #241 - LT - Agree on Casey being a top town read. See where WF is coming from on Mikal’s behavior, and if WF is town, then it makes sense for there to be no clear scum reads atm. Maybe I’m giving too much credit based off of agreement, and I do think scum WF would acknowledge strong town reads, but the lack of apparent agenda here is a green flag.
  

AustinL0926

• ??? (64.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: SKdp1, SKdp2, Castledp1
  
• Playing as Scum: Diarydp1, Diarydp2, Diarydp3
  

Moozer325

• ??? (64.5%)
  
• Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
  
• Playing as Scum: IPdp1, IPdp2, IPdp3