Are you mad that God saves the child murderer, molester, pedophile from hell ?
Is it unjust?
Are you better than those that are serving time in prison?
Are you angry with God?
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@Mall
Are you mad that God saves the child murderer, molester, pedophile from hell ?
No.
If person prays to God, he should be saved from Hell no matter what crimes he commits. Only atheists and those who dont pray go to deserved Hell.
God doesnt care about actions, but worship.
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@LucyStarfire
According to the scripture, all are worthy of hell fire. Not just the ones who don't pray.
You made a conflicting statement and erroneous according to scripture. Worship is an action.
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@Mall
You made a conflicting statement and erroneous according to scripture
I dont even believe in your scripture.
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@LucyStarfire
You prove that by what you say. Out of your mouth is what is in the abundance of your heart.
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@Mall
Everyone who is not member of my religion is a horrible person.
It's none of my business what God does with his property. It's his to do what he wishes with.
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@WyIted
That is true. We are property of God. We are not in position to judge for God.
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@LucyStarfire
Are you trying to be funny?
Why do religious people work so hard to kill each other? Allahu Akbar!
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@Mall
Are you trying to be funny?
What you think is irrelevant.
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@FLRW
I hate everyone who is not member of my specific religion. I wont hurt them, but I will mock them in any way I can, as great Meowballah mocks non-believers.
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@Mall
What precisely do you mean by that he saves them, are you contrasting it to him supposedly not saving others?
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@Mall
Are you angry with God?
Hypothetically speaking of course.
Hypothetically a GOD might dislike ham sandwiches and prefer cheese and chutney.
Hypothetically a GOD might be a super-computer or a giant carrot.
So let's try and keep our anger hypothetical too.
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@Mall
If I believed in God, no I wouldn't be angry,
When I believed in God, I wasn't ever angry with God, that I can recall.
If there is something more than this life, this flesh, something beyond perhaps many of our Earthly limits,
It's also beyond 'my imagination to conceive how it or we would function.
Would it be as vast the difference between a fetus and an adult human. .
. . .
I see the nature and nurture effecting people, the Causality,
Some philosophy books, some people I've talked with in life and online, some thoughts I've had,
I don't view it as 'good in many senses, to hate and hurt people, even if they have committed evil.
I love most myself and immediate family, from there, it bleeds out to that which is connected to me.
People aren't perfect, no matter any of my family members past sins, I want them to be better people, I am happy for them when they 'are better, are able to do right, and enjoy right.
. . . God, theoretically is better than I, possesses a deeper and greater encompassing love.
. . . But God is still something 'vague to me, and I can't speak well or say well of what their motivations are or extend.
The Bible speaks primarily of 'humans, I think.
. . .
If people could change and we know they had been changed, I would think it better, than them to suffer punishment.
. . .
But I forget what justice is,
People have various items and ends they measure, when determining justice I think.
I do not think Plato's Justice was the same as Hammurabi's.
If I 'push my ??? I am not better than those who are serving prison time,
I am perhaps more fortunate.
If a look at it more ??? then 'currently, there 'are qualities about my current and past self, that is maybe superior to the mean of people in prison.
Lot of crimes I've never committed, and am 'probably less likely to commit.
I just don't think he's up there, man. There's no one to be angry at.
If anything, I'm disturbed by the existence of a theology where failure to worship is a worse crime than raping and murdering a child.
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@Castin
'Is failure to worship worse than raping and murdering a child?
The Sheep and the Goats (Partial)
41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after Me.’
44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Readiness at Any Hour (Partial)
47 That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.
48 But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.
A Tree and Its Fruit (Partial)
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
I only ask because I don't know, these three example are one's I Google shallowly picked from vague memory, not examples I've read before in depth, or have looked at other people's views of them.
I suppose one also might get creeped out by the eternal punishment line, but I shrug my shoulders, action and reaction is an eternal truth of science (I think)
Something can be eternal, without our participation being eternal.
A person is eternally tortured by their own evil actions, until they change, maybe.
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@LucyStarfire
Why do you tend to not answer questions?
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@AdaptableRatman
I said it in the initial post. God saves them from hell. Delivers them or doesn't send them to the lake.
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@FLRW
@LucyStarfire
- FLRW....this Lucy character is just like if not worse than Best.Korea.
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@Lemming
So your anger turned you away from the belief in God.
So once you turn away your anger, your belief will be restored.
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@Mall
Well, I'm not angry 'now either.
Nor when I believed or when I turned away.
I can see how my post #15 could have been viewed as my saying I wasn't angry with God, but was angry with other things.
But I wasn't angry at 'anything.
If I believed in God, I wouldn't be angry with him or anything else.
When in the past I did believe in God, I wasn't be angry with him or anything else.
Currently, I'm not angry with anything.
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@Mall
- FLRW....this Lucy character is just like if not worse than Best.Korea.
😍
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@Lemming
You said you were angry. So what did you mentioning being angry and a belief in no God get mentioned together?
Stephen Hawking firmly identified as an atheist, stating, "There is no God. No one directs the universe." He believed that the laws of science provide a more convincing explanation for the existence of the universe than the idea of a creator. In his final book, Brief Answers to the Big Questions, he elaborated on this perspective, suggesting that while people are free to believe what they want, he found the simplest explanation to be that there is no God and no afterlife.
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@Lemming
'Is failure to worship worse than raping and murdering a child?The Sheep and the Goats (Partial)
41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.42 For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after Me.’
44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”Readiness at Any Hour (Partial)47 That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.48 But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.A Tree and Its Fruit (Partial)21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’I only ask because I don't know, these three example are one's I Google shallowly picked from vague memory, not examples I've read before in depth, or have looked at other people's views of them.I suppose one also might get creeped out by the eternal punishment line, but I shrug my shoulders, action and reaction is an eternal truth of science (I think)Something can be eternal, without our participation being eternal.A person is eternally tortured by their own evil actions, until they change, maybe.
Matthew 25:31-46 is one of my favorite passages. It's a lovely theology where your entrance to heaven is defined by how kind you were in this life. If it stood alone in the Bible, then even atheists could get into heaven if they were kind.
But unfortunately you have passages like Rev 21:8:
- But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
You can pull many different theologies from the Bible. Some Christians I have met honestly believe that Matthew 25:31-46 will be what determines how everyone gets into heaven. But most Christians of my experience hold that you must be saved by Jesus, or else you will enter hell. And in their defense, that theology is well supported by the Bible.
- Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
- John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
- Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".
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@Castin
If there is a GOD it will be omni-sensible, and not a fiery lake of sulphur numb-nut.
Though me thinks that all that biblical baloney was made up by a load of human numb-nuts.
Just a hunch like.
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@Mall
I don't think I said I was angry.
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@Castin
Fair points.
But I've straws to grasp at.
I'm not trying to convince you or myself of the truth of the Bible,
But I do find it fun to puzzle over the Bible at times, or think on how X 'could work, or what use people see out of it.
I also think my knowledge of it is extremely poor, and a bit pretzel twisted sometimes.
While some other times, some other parts I easily cherry pick at face value.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
apistos: Unbelieving, faithless, unfaithful
Original Word: ἄπιστος
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: apistos
Pronunciation: AH-pees-tos
Phonetic Spelling: (ap'-is-tos)
KJV: that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever(-ing)
NASB: unbelieving, unbelievers, unbeliever, incredible, unbelieving one
1. (actively) disbelieving, i.e. without Christian faith
2. (specially) a heathen
3. (passively) untrustworthy (person) or unbelievable, incredible (thing)
'Could be unbelieving and unfollowing in Gods message, constantly straying, even farther than those who follow his message and ideals, but not God.
Though maybe one can argue God 'is his message in a way.
Did ever any man believe in horsemanship, and not in horses? or in flute–playing, and not in flute–players? - Plato
One is tied to the other maybe, identified by and with.
- Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
14Later, as they were eating, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.
Comes right before/ Could one argue he was specifically speaking of people of that time period and locations?
Who had already heard him speak, had already seen his miracles?
Ought to have had enough proof?
Yet still harbored hardness in their hearts against what he exposed as good actions?
- John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”f
Condemned for how long though?
And are they condemned because the New Testament asserts Jesus and his messages to be the best if not 'only way to salvation and good.
And in following other paths, are likely to stray, though perhaps some more than others.
Though some perhaps would, even in the hereafter, have an easier time getting back on the path.
Some take the fires of hell, not to be literal, but of the suffering one will endure on an evil path.
Of the crucible that smelts out the impurities.
- Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".
In the 'end, supposedly it 'would be God,
If we supposed someone lived life as a good person, but had never heard of the Bible or any there in.
They still would not end up in any deities court but God, as the Bible asserts there are no other Gods but God. I think.
I am not angry with God, if in fact there is one. What angers me is people who speak on behalf or for God, if in fact there is a God. If there is a God, I am pretty much indifferent to God. I think if there is a God that God doesn't give a shit weather I go to heaven or hell. The bible is supposedly the word of God. From what little I know of it, I will probably go to hell. I would think the creator of everything would know best where I belong.