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The real meaning of the Bible is very simple. It's about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus. 

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Look at the reality we are in. Think hard who is rewarded more. God can't be a worship hungry narcissist, it must be another psyche-type of deity.
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Is God hard to love?

Is it because your Father does not always give you what you want?

Is it because your father is your father and not your friend that otherwise would not chastise you , discipline you and punish you?

Provide your essays below.
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I know this is a topic that'll continue on until death. 

But give concise clear cut reasons to why most likely there is just no consciousness ever again after death, no creator God, no life and or reincarnation.
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I like to pick somebody's brain on this.
Somebody that's well versed or has a good understanding on the trinity doctrine.

I just have some questions. The way I titled this I put in that order intentionally.

Everybody that knows a thing or two real well about this, participate.


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Are children innocent, pure at heart?

Is God wrong for punishing children?

Is it wrong for children to be tried as adults in terms of penal punishment?
Everyone chime in.
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Could it be that God does not do what man wants?

If God won't serve him, man will serve himself. Is that it?
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I recently have been introduced to a user by the name of Stephen who has the idea that the God of the Bible is "wicked".  I would like Stephen to come on and describe his view of the Biblical God being wicked.  
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You cannot possibly have a good god enabling all the bad things, it doesn't possibly work. You're either wilfully lying or too stupid to follow, any prophet who says this is corrupt.
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Most of my debates from here on out will be about the Bible or similar content. I created a forum because like the title says, this will be a series of mine with no signs of stopping. 

The forum is also so those interested can contact me ahead of time. Reasons could be: a specific topic for debate, debate alterations, or the like. 

I am not into debates in which the title is in itself a trap. These arguments are made to increase my knowledge of Biblical content and opposing views.

Again, if you are interested and have a specific topic, let me know.

If there is low activity on this forum then I my debates will simply be "Bible Is True" or something like that to give Con the full capability to attack however they like.  
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this forum is now a theist forum, theists of all religions are welcome to debate God here as long as it is the abrahamic God.  Atheists can still visit this section but must follow the rules below

1. Be respectful, ask questions to learn about the religions, but never to challenge any of them.

2. When we have our worship services, you are welcome to attend but you can not participate in online holy practices like confession or drinking the blood of christ. 

Any ideals from Christians to make this section less welcoming to atheist ideals, is welcome. Though atheists are welcome, because we want you to learn and avoid burning in hell.
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Would you consider them to be narcissistic assholes or not?
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if logic Doesn't apply to god how do we decide which god should we follow ?
after all god/s(it) is beyond our limited human logic ,
if we argue about the supernatural nonsense written in any holy book or religion they will tell you god created the world so he can do it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and if you argue about their god/s actions they will tell you that you can't understand the logic of a supreme omnipotent being with your limited logic
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when arguing with a religious person , whenever you try to apply logic to their god you'll hear the saying "our human logic doesn't apply to god/gods" ,or "god/gods is omnipotent and logic doesn't apply to it "
so here is a questions
1.how are we humans supposed to discuss god if logic doesn't apply to it
2.if god is omnipotent then every single god/gods from each religion has the chance of being the true god since god is omnipotent + logic doesn't apply to it + god can do whatever it wants 
by saying logic doesn't apply to god and god is omnipotent being you're not asserting the existence of your god , you're saying that each and every god out there have a chance of being the true one , since we can't judge god to begin with and they all could be wrong too
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1.muslims claim that there's only one god and god wouldn't take a wife or a child, why ? because if there's 2 gods and they had different opinions they will have a fight , your judging god according to human logic you're telling god what he can and can't do .
2.hindu claim that god took a wife and had children to teach us the importance of building a family as it's the corner stone of society , but that's also according to our human logic if you ask them how do they decide things if two gods have 2 different opinions , they will tell you that's the matter of the gods and our logic doesn't apply to them .
3.christains claim there's one god with different vessels , I argued with a christian and he said ,:"it's something like an pc rpg , you can play a worrior ,a mage,or an assassin , you are the player controlling them , each one is different but you are one , god is one but he is represented by multiple being , vessel "
but that is also according to our human logic.
religious people telling god what he should and shouldn't do
also judging god according to our limited human logic
but when it's our turn to apply logic to their god/s we are doing something wrong after all logic doesn't apply to god
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this may look confusing but basically religious people apply logic to god/s when it's convenient for them. when it's not, logic doesn't apply to their god/s
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We, unlike most mammals, lack a penis bone and have very sensitive female genitalia, which has led to our erections and reproduction involving more pleasure and drive towards it than other species experience.

I wonder why God did this if us, the species closest to god, have the most innate urges and/or needs for foreplay, orgasms, arousal etc.

Rats and rabbits reproduce much more, as do insects, however I am speaking of lust itself (the pleasurable experience of sex). The only other species that is definitely shown to feel this same rush from sex are those of dolphins.


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I don't understand what he means by that statement. Omega males are basically the very rebellious type who refuse to bow down before the Alpha male, in an overt manner that can at times get them punished, depending on personality clashes and agendas.

Scar in Lion King was a Sigma male while Mufasa was an obvious Alpha. However, a good example of what an Omega Male is, is actually Pumbaa (Timon is more of a beta male). If God is both the rebellious and the man in charge is it true to say God may be Satan himself?

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I believe god created us for entertainment purposes. I believe in a rather deistic god overall. How about you?
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What if god directly contacted you and proved they were god but told you that the only way you can stay in touch and experience your privileges (which may include getting into the heaven) is if you never talked about the god to others and kept it a secret, perhaps even masquerading as an atheist or at least agnostic?

Would you lie to everyone you knew?
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"Given an infinite length of time, a chimpanzee punching at random on a typewriter would almost surely type out all of Shakespeare's plays".

You sea everything will be happening so if your the doting thomas atheist who is thinking that god cannot existing then think again because if the monkey can be typing romeo and julliet and all the other stories then god must be existing but you must be remembering that their is only 1 true god.
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God gave us all the morals that we got and if we disobay the morals then we are being evil. There are many bad scums around that do evil so that means they are breaking Gods morals. So that means that there must be God.
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All action has origin. - axiom

Energy is composed of moving forces. - axiom (maybe)

Matter is energy is in balanced configurations of energy - axiom (maybe)

Time is relative to objects that have acceleration. - general relativity

Big Bang stared by a ball of energy in a singularity. - theory of origin

Intelligence is neural activity of matter and energy. - mortal intelligence

Universe is expanding and matter decays into energy. - axiom

Black holes have energy and form. All energy moves. - theory

Energy can not collapse to a point and therefore should always have form. - theory 

Law of entropy. Energy Diffuses. - axiom

Universe is diffusing energy. - theory

Singularities suck energy back to a source of energy. - theory

Singularities will reabsorb all energy in the universe. - theory

A single singularity will come together and explode. - expansionary and deflationary universe theory

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I think it may be to give Illuminati more control over us, since we now rely entirely on them for information and all our communication is now  as barely any is in-person relative to before.

My God(dess) supports the cunning and smart ruling over the pressured and ticked. It's not fair, but it's how life is. Let us endure.
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Ever wonder why Jesus had to come by a virgin birth? There is a concrete reason.

The virgin birth is unique in that it is the only miracle concerning Jesus' earthly ministry that was without witnesses.

In fact, neither Jesus or anyone else during His life time is recorded as mentioning or knowing He was virgin born.

Do be able to do what He was sent to do, Jesus HAD to be virgin born.

The bible says Adam sinned and became spiritually dead. Thus, according to the rule set up during creation, "Everything after its kind", Adam could only have spiritually dead offspring. (Forget original sin, it is unbiblical)

To save mankind, Jesus not only had to redeem us from our past and future sins, but from our spiritually dead state.

The bible calls Jesus the "new man" and contrasts Him with Adam whom it calls the old man. Our line of ancestry went back to Adam, who was spiritually dead.

Jesus had to break that line, and start a new line, spiritually alive, and then somehow hook us into that lineage. 

So Jesus became God's first born of the new line, and all who believe on Him, He will kill, (be crucified with Him), recreate, (be born again) and resurrect (on the last day)

Had Jesus had an earthly mother and father, he would Himself have been in Adam's line. For a new line, Jesus could not be a genetic descendant of Adam.

That is why Jesus birth had to be of the Holy Spirit. It was not just a miracle for the sake of a miracle.

It had to be in order for the salvation plan God designed to work. So for born again Christians today, our line of ancestry terminates in Jesus, not Adam.

That is why the bible says we already have eternal life, because anyone born in Jesus' line is like Jesus. Eternal. And the bible calls us Saints, because saints are what the line of Jesus produces.

It is a great, wonderful and selfless thing Jesus did for us. So we adore Him, and we thank Him, and we praise Him. Because while we were yet sinners, dead in sin, He loved us and died for us.

He made the first move, when we didn't deserve it, and came down into a world we had polluted into a hellhole, to save us
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Every time some atheist trots out the tired "prayer experiment", I can't help but doubt it as I know no real scientist could be that stupid.

To help you see the abject stupidity of prayer experiments, let's do one now. And let's use you as God, (we'll call you Godson) and your kids as the believers who are to pray to you.

Let's say you have 6 children, and this experiment is trying to find out if the prayers of your children work.

So each kid will ask you for something, and we will see if that request is answered. Clear so far?

Now before the kids start praying, answer a few questions.

1. Will Godson know an experiment is being conducted?
2. Will Godson be able to control the results of the experiment?
3. Will the results of the experiment be dependable if someone inside the experiment can control the results?
4. Will Godson be more interested in the safety and happiness of his children, or the results of the experiment?

OK now. Prayer time!

Prayers
Kid one, 14 year old Tony: Can you please stay at work late tonight so I can shag my gf?
Kid two, 12 year old Anne: Can you get me a boob job? My breasts are too small.
Kid three, 10 year old Carl: I want to be a cowboy. Can you make me a cowboy?
Kid four, 9 year old Beth: Carl wants to be a cowboy and shoot bad guys, but shooting people is bad. Please don't let Carl become a cowboy.
Kid five, 7 year old Matt: Can I have a gun so that Tony won't bully me anymore?
Kid six, 5 year old Sasha: Chocolate! Lots and lots of chocolate!

Answers of Godwin.
To Tony: Are you nuts?
To Anne: Are you nuts?
To Carl: Are you nuts?
To Beth: Don't worry.
To Matt: Are you nuts?
To Sasha: No.

Experiment conclusion
Prayer doesn't work.

Would any real scientist consider this a real test of the efficacy of prayer?

*To be a valid experiment, the test subject (Godwin) cannot know he is being tested, or else he can control the results of the experiment rendering the test invalid.

*Godwin has standards that affect whether he answers prayer and how he answers. For example, Matt not getting a gun is not a sign that prayer doesn't work.

Anyone know of a way to do a blind test on God? The whole scientific "prayer experiment" is nothing but retarded stupidity.

But clueless atheists keep trotting it out. And more educated atheist pretend they don't see the thread.
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God exists because he exists in eternal energy and not from the void of nothingness. Nothingness is genetically programmed material without intelligence or empathy. Viruses seek to destroy life because they are evil towards eternal energy and time. Viruses are power hungry totalitarian brats that think they can get away with playing on people's emotions. Spys are viruses infecting the world for political gain. God does not want to gain anything because he would rather die alone in isolation than destroy empathetic life. God is love and eternal energy so he can protect his children from poverty, desolation, disease, sickness, harm. God will destroy evil when evil becomes powerful enough to destroy his creation of life.
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I come to this topic as a mathematician, not as a philosopher or a theologian. From my perspective, mathematical "sets" — specifically infinite sets — can provide a small insight into the nature of God.
By Robbin O'Leary, Professor of Mathematics

I won't get into the details of the mathematics of Infinite Set Theory now. (Check out https://www.quantamagazine.org/mathematicians-measure-infinities-find-theyre-equal-20170912/
if you want to know the math)

Stated simply, a set is a collection of objects. These objects might be words, numbers or anything we group into that set.

The things we group into sets are called "elements". We will notice right away that some sets are finite, and others are infinite. That is, the elements within some sets have no end, like the elements in the set of all rational numbers, for example.

Theoretical scientists can then treat sets as single objects and do higher form of math to learn things about our reality that couldn't be learned otherwise.

There are some startling findings about Infinite set theory that shed light on some of the concepts found in the bible.

Startling finding #1 - Subtracting elements from an infinite set does not make it smaller.

If you have the set of all numbers, and remove from it, the subset of all even numbers, BOTH the original set AND the subset remain infinite!

Infinity can be taken out of infinity with no reduction in infinity! The same goes for addition. Adding the infinite set of all even numbers to the set of all odd numbers give us a set that is EQUAL in size to the sets added!

Startling finding #2 - Adding infinite sets to infinite sets does not make them any bigger! Infinite sets cannot be reduced OR increased!

Startling finding #3 - Infinite set are all identical. Each element in one infinite set can be paired with elements in another infinite set such that all infinite sets have a 1 to 1 correlation. They are all the same size!

What do these 3 findings mean to Christianity?

Jesus claimed to be God. He said to Thomas, "How can you ask me to show you the Father if you have seen me?" Jesus claimed to have "come out from God". He was calling Himself a proper subset of God.

He shared a 1 to 1 correlation with God, which did not reduce God, or render Jesus Himself  less than God. This truth also shows how Jesus could not know some things, and still be God.

God is the absolute infinite set, with The Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit being proper subsets of the set "God".

All three sets are equal. The same size. Each one is equal to God, exactly in a 1 to 1 correlation with God. God does not diminish by removing one subset, or increase when one subset joins the Godhead.

Infinite subsets of infinite sets have a quality called "reflection", which means they have the same qualities of the original set. So as a subset of God, Jesus carries all the qualities of God, and indeed the bible calls Jesus the express image of God, He is the incarnation of God.

Set theory offers an explanation for the inner workings of the trinity.

Mathematicians Measure Infinities and Find They’re Equal
By KEVIN HARTNETT
September 12, 2017

Two mathematicians have proved that two different infinities are equal in size, settling a long-standing question. Their proof rests on a surprising link between the sizes of infinities and the complexity of mathematical theories.

In a breakthrough that disproves decades of conventional wisdom, two mathematicians have shown that two different variants of infinity are actually the same size. The advance touches on one of the most famous and intractable problems in mathematics: whether there exist infinities between the infinite size of the natural numbers and the larger infinite size of the real numbers.

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I only recognize The Ultimate Reality as God, and there is only One. It is the evident truth that The Ultimate Reality is sovereign over all things. 

It is the evident truth that denial of this God is superstitious; that atheism towards this God is the most extreme form of nihilism, utterly self defeating, unjustifiable, and patently STUPID.

As it is an obvious fact that The Ultimate Reality is True God, and anyone who dare dispute this an IDIOT, it should be the case that anyone professing atheism should be understood as someone who is uneducated or petulant. The proper way to deal with someone who is so confused should be with charity. A real intent to guide someone suffering from such a delusion toward The Way and knowledge of The Truth. A real patience to endure abuse with long suffering. A true desire to humble oneself before The One True God, and to understand that righteous debate is about edifying one another, not the making oneself out to be something.

Dare anyone dispute it? 

There by necessity is Ultimate Reality.

The Ultimate Reality exposes all sophistry, rhetoric, science falsely so called, delusion, pretense of reason, and self will for what it is.. transient, mortal, temporary, dust in the wind. Nothing but vanity. Your life is not even as long as a blink in eternity. The Ultimate Reality always was, always is, and forever will be.

The Ultimate Reality makes an argument, and His argument is Himself. 


Dare you say, "The Truth is a lie!"?

Dare you say, "Prove to me it is true that The Truth exists!"?

Are you out of your mind?

There is no argument than can even so much as make pretense of challenging God. 












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