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@Greyparrot
Iran isn't the pillar of humanity. They are a radical right wing theocracy that needs to be curbstomped.
That's primarily up to the Iranians to decide.
if iran keeps enriching nuclear fuel, america should bomb them
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@n8nrgmi
what if iran gets nukes and wipes out israel, which they said was their intent?
Fear mongering. India and Pakistan have been threatening each other for years and they both have nukes.
what if israel does what it said it'd do a few years ago and attacks iran because it won't let in inspectors? we shouldn't get their back?
Fear mongering. IF that happens it would be in everyone's best interest to at least attempt to de-escalate the conflict.
what if iran arms terrorists with nukes and wipes out washington DC, and it may or may not be clear that iran was responsible? you said you'd only act if it was officially iran. how naive and stupid can ya be?
Do you really think that bombing Iran is going to make this particular scenario LESS likely?
what if iran wipes out a few usa cities? and any retaliation would be met with more nukes going off in the usa? it's easy to think tit for tat would be implied, but to someone as crazy as iran, they might not see it that way and want more pot shots in than the usa gets. assured mutual destruction works well in theory, but isn't full proof.... assured mutual destruction might happen.
No country is more "crazy" than North Korea. If a country launches an attack on another, the attacked country is well within their rights to declare war.
Simply developing weapons is not in-and-of-itself an act of aggression.
what if iran gets hundreds of nukes and holds the human race hostage? it only would take a hundred nukes going off just right to bring a dooms day situation because of the environmental effects globally.
This is pure hyperbole. Are you suggesting the U.S. should bomb Russia because they MIGHT send thousands of nukes all over the planet?
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@3RU7AL
Iran has shot down more US drones over international waters than NK...They also blew up more oil tankers with mines than NK.
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@3RU7AL
i prefer a zero percent chance at millions annihilated when it comes to someone with iran's history, whereas you prefer a non-zero percent chance. doesn't sound too rational to me.
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@n8nrgmi
Iran has 0 nuclear weapons. The United States is a militant country that has used nuclear weapons in highly populated areas and has thousands of them. How do you like those odds?
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@Snoopy
Have you changed your position if not what is your position?Iran has 0 nuclear weapons. The United States is a militant country that has used nuclear weapons in highly populated areas and has thousands of them. How do you like those odds?
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@3RU7AL
@n8nrgmi
@Snoopy
The U.S. and others made a deal with Iran to delay their development of nuclear capabilities.
Correct. Delay their development of nuclear bombs not stop.
Israel, France, Pakistan, Russia, USA, etc all have nuclear weapons and more nuclear weapons on Earth the greater the chance one or more will eventually go off intentionally or accidentally.
More weapons do not equal more security. It is obviousto me that many around here never lived throught M.A.D years of 60's, 70's and 80's.
The answer to not having more weapons is not bombing other countries into sumbmission. The answer is in a unification of all nations as one
unified-Earth-nation. The reduction of nuclear weapons in late 80's and early 90's was done via rational, logical common sense disscussions, not bombing other countries.
.."The Mine Ban Treaty is one of the world's most widely accepted treaties: over 80% of the world's countries are States Parties to the treaty. There are currently 164 States Parties. Only 32 states remain outside the treaty, but most of them do not actually use or produce antipersonnel mines.".....
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@Greyparrot
Selective memory.
The U.S. caused all the recent problems in Syria.
Just as it caused all the recent problems throughout the Middle East and North Africa.
U.S. and Israeli self righteousness and paranoia.
And the worst thing is; us European arse kissers have to deal with the Human Fallout.
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@zedvictor4
What's the limit then? How many Oil tankers can Iran blow up before it's not ok? Unlimited?
Actually at this point, it's probably best to let Iran get the bomb and Nuke israel if that's what it takes for the civilized world to see what the radical right wing mullahs are doing in Iran.
That will make the refugee crisis from Syria to the EU look like a kid's conga line.
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@Greyparrot
How do we know that it was the Iranians and not the U.S trying to stir up trouble.
The old weapons of mass destruction ruse all over again.
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@Greyparrot
Actually at this point, it's probably best to let Iran get the bomb
That has been of one of many points since 1945 for every country that has the desire for greatest placebo effect of having soveriegnity.
and Nuke israel
Or vice versa. The paranoid mind can only see one path forward and that is fallaibity and makes them so predictable.
The less paranoid mind is more comprehensively considerate of much larger set of factors and interrelationships involved.
if that's what it takes for the civilized world to see what the radical right wing mullahs are doing in Iran.
Once USA pulled out of the deal they put themselves outside the Iran fence ergo less ability to see what Iran is doing.
Again this is just more evidence of your paranoia that keeps you on irrational path forward. Sad :--(
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@zedvictor4
Yeah, the US exploded those tankers. Nice. The US is supplying Hamas and ISIS with military hardware.
Some serious false flag going on there mr tinfoil.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, the US exploded those tankers. Nice.
No, not "nice" and more evidence your a confused person not mention naive to what any nation is capable of doing to create false scenarios or to show what the can do if they so chose to truly cause chaos. No actual oil was spilled from the tankers.
.."The other countries, or alliance, with a motive for bombing the ships in the Gulf are the US and Israel, according to Iranian officials. Given that the US National Security Advisor, John Bolton, has personally called for regime change -- and given that the US and UK governments lied their way to war in Iraq some 16 years ago -- they say it's not inconceivable that the Gulf attacks are a "false flag" black operation intended to generate a casus bellum."..
..."The US, Saudi Arabia, and the UK are all adamant that it was Iranian forces who somehow planted magnetic mines to the hulls of moving ships and blew them up. And it was done so skillfully that not a drop of oil was spilled."...
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@Greyparrot
I didn't mention Hamas or ISIS.
Let's be honest. If the Middle East wasn't an oil rich region the U.S. wouldn't be there stirring up trouble anyway.
The U.S.is desperately looking for a reason to intervene in Iranian sovereign affairs. So blowing a few holes in oil tankers and then blaming Iran makes perfect sense.
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@Greyparrot
Oh.
And of course. Don't forget the old weapons of mass destruction lies.
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@n8nrgmi
i prefer a zero percent chance at millions annihilated when it comes to someone with iran's history, whereas you prefer a non-zero percent chance. doesn't sound too rational to me.
How is Iran more dangerous than Pakistan or North Korea?
How is Iran more dangerous than Saudi Arabia?
The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. [LINK]
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@zedvictor4
First off, the entire point of why Iran is a bad actor is because it historically supplies Hamas and ISIS with military hardware, creating problems for most of the world not aligned with right wing extreme sharia theocracies. It has nothing to do with the capabilities of Iran and has everything to do with the intent of the Iranian mullahs. Think Kim jong Un on god fuelled steroids. Now give Iran a Nuke. Bad idea.
As far as the oil goes, yeah before Obamaland, USA needed the sweet arab crude, but USA is now living in Trumpland where we are allowed to become oil exporters of some fine USA shale oil, home grown in the good ole USA. USA doesn't need the Middle East anymore, we are really only there to support Israel at this point.
And there's really nothing for USA to gain per se from having Israel nuke Iran. But that would probably end up helping the rest of the world not aligned with the Sharia maniacs in Tehran. Think world peace on steroids. Perhaps the elimination of the last of the militant "my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick" nations from the planet forever. That's progress for all of humanity.
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@Greyparrot
Perhaps the elimination of the last of the militant "my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick" nations from the planet forever. That's progress for all of humanity.
"Perhaps" is the key word here. Perhaps many various scenarios could unfold from your "....elimination of the last of the militant..." scenario.
..."Of the total Muslim population, 10-13% are Shia Muslims and 87-90% are Sunni Muslims.
Most Shias (between 68% and 80%) live in just four countries: Iran, Pakistan, India and Iraq.
..."The Middle Eastern countries with the greatest proportion of Sunnis are Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, with Sunnis making up 90% or more of the population."....
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@3RU7AL
are those other countries known for supporting terrorism? if they do, i dont hear about it like i do with iran.
do those other countries state that their goal is to wipe out other countries? iran did that while obama was president about israel.
are those other countries religious fanatics? they seem more secular as far as i can tell.
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@n8nrgmi
If Iran didn't want war then why did they put their country so close to all these US military bases.
@pollywanna
And we start that list with the US of A, all those in favour? Aye. The Ayes have it.Perhaps the elimination of the last of the militant "my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick" nations from the planet forever
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@Greyparrot
And who's got the biggest God dick?
And who supplies Israel with military hardware?
Keep stirring up hornets nests and eventually one of them is going to sting you.
Instead of all this self righteousness why not try a bit of tolerance for a change.
And why is the U.S. getting so hot under the collar about a few oil tankers thousands of miles away, if they don't give a hoot about foreign oil?
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@n8nrgmi
Saudi Arabia and Israel are far greater threats to world peace than Iran and support more terrorist organisations than Iran.
@pollywanna
As far as the oil goes, yeah before Obamaland, USA needed the sweet arab crude, but USA is now living in Trumpland
Are you seriously contending that Baby Hughey in the 2yrs he's been lost and totally out of his depth has reduced to zero the USA's reliance on middle east oil and become self sufficient, that's some fairy tale you got goin' there.
USA doesn't need the Middle East anymore, we are really only there to support Israel at this point.
And why in the world would the USA want to support the fascist state of Israel who learned so much from their Nazi persecutors that they now employ many of those tactics against the rightful owners of the land they only occupy by force. But the USA has a long and proud history of supporting Nazi and Fascist dictatorships and regimes.
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@n8nrgmi
are those other countries known for supporting terrorism? if they do, i dont hear about it like i do with iran.
"We see the Pakistanis continuing to provide safe harbour, havens inside of Pakistan for terrorists who present risks to the United States of America," Mr Pompeo was quoted as saying by the CBS news. [LINK]
Osama bin Laden's compound, known locally as the Waziristan Haveli (Urdu: وزیرستان حویلی), was an upper-class mansion that was used as a safe house for militant Islamist Osama bin Laden, who was shot and killed there by U.S. forces on May 2, 2011. The compound was located at the end of a dirt road 1,300 metres (0.8 mi) southwest of the Pakistan Military Academy in Bilal Town, Abbottabad, Pakistan, a suburb housing many retired military officers. [LINK]
How is Iran more dangerous than Pakistan or North Korea?
While North Korea may be moving to ratchet up the crisis, not even Washington's hawks are pushing for a military response — at least not yet. Its conventional artillery capability would allow North Korea to flatten Seoul in the first half-hour of any confrontation. The human cost of going to war may too prohibitive in this instance. [LINK]
How is Iran more dangerous than Saudi Arabia?
The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. [LINK]
do those other countries state that their goal is to wipe out other countries? iran did that while obama was president about israel.
The sparring between India and Pakistan last month threatened to spiral out of control and only interventions by U.S. officials, including National Security Advisor John Bolton, headed off a bigger conflict, five sources familiar with the events said.
At one stage, India threatened to fire at least six missiles at Pakistan, and Islamabad said it would respond with its own missile strikes “three times over”, according to Western diplomats and government sources in New Delhi, Islamabad and Washington. [LINK]
are those other countries religious fanatics? they seem more secular as far as i can tell.
LUNATICS come in all shapes and sizes. Was Jeffrey Dahmer a religious fanatic? Was Adolf Hitler a religious fanatic? If the U.S. bombed every country full of religious fanatics, they'd have to start by bombing themselves.
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@disgusted
The evil empire is now even more evil in the eyes of Eurotrash.
pollywanna
Did you see where the change came about due to Obama's actions, no you wouldn't because it wouldn't suit your fascist agenda.
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@3RU7AL
those other countries may be worse than i realize, but that doesn't mean iran should have nukes. if we could have stopped the other countries, we should have too, if they are bad actors. do you seriously think it's alright for evil countries should have nukes?
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@disgusted
Sorry, but orange man bad doesn't justify black man bad.