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  • Singularity
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    Does anybody else think that it will be possible for us to gain an indefinite lifespan in our lifetime? I am doing this debate on it https://www.debateart.com/debates/1719/radical-life-extension-is-possible-in-our-lifetime
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    It feels soon, but I would say unlikely to be indefinite within our lifetime. There will be complications for the first generation trying whatever new technologies arise; which is not to say lives won't begin to be massively prolonged.

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    Why would anyone want indefinite life on Earth?
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    Indefinite life means people can never die. This means that crimes will go up and many other things knowing they can live infinitely 
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    Population would go way up which wouldn't be that good for managing resources. 
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    Invincible and indefinite are 2 different things. I think the average lifespan in a universe where everything stays the same is probably 200 years old, due to things like suicide, murder, natural disasters, accidents etc. 
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    Which is why I think colonizing space is very important 

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    My main concern is the psychological implications of a 200 year old brain
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    Highly doubt that will happen in our lifetimes.
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    Sounds like a good debate topic for you than.

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    Indefinite life is no good unless the aging process is completely halted.

    Just look at how decrepit and useless centenarians are.

    As neither the understanding nor the ability are currently available, it is therefore unlikely to happen anytime soon.

    All we can hope for are new therapies that can prolong the agony and decline into decrepitude for just a little longer, consequently  increasing the burden on an already overstretched society and environment.
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    Finite = integrity

    Infinite = lack of integrity

    Indefinite = not yet defined yet finite

    Since other less complex animals can live hundreds of years, some whales { mammal like human } live 200 years or more

    I believe 120 years is the maximum average humans { most complex biologic } can attain. I base this belief on the maximum number of indenticl right-triangles that can exist on surface of the icosa{20}hedron.  This is the finite maximum for any polyhedron curved or Euclidean.

    ..." 459.02 The 15 great circles of the icosahedron can be foldedinto multibow ties offour tetrahedra each. Four times 15 equals 60, whichis half the number of triangles on thesphere. Sixty additional triangles inadvertently appear,revealing the 120 identical sphericaltriangles which are the maximum number of like unitswhich may be used to subdivide thesphere. "....



  • ebuc
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    An addendum to #12

    ..." Also known as the Arctic whale, the bowhead is by far the longest living mammal on Earth. Some bowhead whales have been found with the tips of ivory spears still lodged in their flesh from failed attempts by whalers 200 years ago. The oldest known bowhead whale was at least 211 years old.May 10, 2011 "...


  • Singularity
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    What in the world would make you think that increasing the human life span means people would have more decrepit years instead bbn of more healthy years
  • zedvictor4
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    What in the World makes you think that it wouldn't.

    Wishful thinking perhaps.

    So how are you going to prevent aging?

    The span of life that you refer to, goes from birth to death with an inevitable process in between.

    As things stand, prolonging life only means extending the latter stages, rather than increasing the primary stages.
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    It doesn't make any sense that life would be extended by lengthening how long we keep a person from dying when they are in the process of dying. It makes more sense that it would be accomplished by delaying the affects of aging
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    Isn't delaying the effects of ageing just the same as lengthening the process of dying.

    What you would be hoping to do I suppose, is to stay youthful for longer and the only way that I can see to achieve this whilst not incurring a similarly lengthy demise, would be to stop the ageing process altogether.

    How do you think this might be achieved within your lifetime?
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    only if you define dying as being alive. If you are saying we start dying as soon as we are born than I can see the argument that you are extending the dying process. As far as claiming that life extension would just extend how long somebody stays alive on their death bed, I think is silly
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    I want to live forever.
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    I think Jesus can help you with that. 
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    I meant on Earth because I'm scared of the afterlife because I might go to hell.  Odds aren't in my favor.
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    You're probably just being hard on yourself
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    It's biblical statistics.  The bible says most people are going to hell in Mathew 7:13-14.  It's why I prefer life on Earth; I'm safe here.
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    I didn't realize you were most people.
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    I think Jesus can help you with that.
    Better chance with black hole technologies i.e  2D holographic scenarios wherein occupied space  patterning { info/patterns/shape } never die ergo all that has ever existed or will exist, exist as the 2D patterning of our  physical/reality/energy/frequencies of Observed Time exists.

    See this LINK for 2D surface of expression via geometry of the root/basic/primary set of 87 primary great circles and planes and potential tori of a black holes existences.

    Primary because they are based on the root/basic polyhedra of Universe, from which all must stem from;

    1} 3-fold tetra{4}hedron,

    2} 4-fold cubo{6]-octa{8}hedron aka Vector Equlibrium { VE }, and,

    3} 5{ phi }-fold icosa{20}hedron.
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    What many people dont realize is how connected the 4-fold VE --that contains the 3-fold tetrahedron--- and the 5-fold icosahedron are too each other.

    1} The spherical VEs surface area  is equal to to the total area of the four hexagons that define the spherical VE, and a regular/symmetrical and circular sine-wave is created by each of the hexagons radii. See LINK

    2} the spherical icosahedron also has bisecting hexagonal planes but their a complex surface sine-wave and do not involve radii. See this link

    If we have a icosahedron with the same diameter as the VE, then it is my assertion, that any six --of overlapping/shared set of six--- complexedly bisecting areas are equal  to some aspect of the icosahedrons surface area.  Sorry I dont have the math on this figured out yet.  It is a relatively new idea Ive had since viewing Leonard Susskinds "the world as a hologram" video. LINK

    ......................................Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space.........................................

    .....................right........................(   (   (  )   )...................left.........................


    5-fold contains 4-fold and 4-fold contains 3-fold and 3-fold contains 2-fold.

    5-fold > 4-fold > 3-fold > 2-fold we begin with the greatest primary set of regular/symmetrical and that is the icosahedron and it contains all else.

    To see how the 5-fold specifically contains the 4-fold see this LINK in case you have any doubts.

    If we involve my numerical  based inverting-outverting tori, then begin to envision a very complex black hole that connects the inside to the outside with resultant sine-wave patterning to every nodal event on surface of black hole i.e, a direct 1 to 1 relationship from internal to surface and that includes Dark Energy into the wholistic mix.