Should churches give free psychological evaluations

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  • Singularity
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    It seems there is multiple users here who have a mental illness, who are very vocal Christian's or spiritual in some other respect. 
     
    I am not referring to mental illness such as depression, but ones where there are some clear problems with grasping reality. Should religious institutions be required to provide free psychological evaluations to new converts, to see if it was an honest conversion or just the result of some disorder that causes delusions?

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    It should be up to the church.  Some churches would rather donate the money to help people by other means.
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    No, as they are entirely unqualified to do so, like in every possible way. For pete's sake the Catholic church believes in actual ghosts. Would you want a mental health check from someone who believes in magic as a cure all?
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    You are the one who is having trouble grasping reality. If you can't admit The Ultimate Reality exists, you don't even believe in reality. If nothing is ultimately real, the very concept if reality is meaningless.

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    For the record, The Orthodox Church does have a vetting process. The catechuman phase lasts a year or more.


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    Psychological evaluations can only legally be performed by licensed psychologists, so preachers or church administration would likely not be the ones the church paid to conduct these evaluations 
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    Reality obviously exists lol
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    I think any church that wanted to make sure it had sincere followers would swear off recruiting children through the various methods used today. They'd tell parents not to bring children to church once they could understand stories, for example. There wouldn't be CCD (for Catholics) or any other rites of passage. The churches would then have to rely on convincing adults and adults only. 
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    Eh, probably fair game. People of every possible ideology are already trying to indoctrinate children through school, media and other avenues, it is only fair that the church is allowed to compete with these mostly secular sources in terms of indoctrination. 
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    Can you say there is ultimate reality?

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    If the church didn't educate children, the alternative is that they would be educated by secularists who consider religion a mental illness. 

    And the end goal is so that secularists such as yourself can bring about something like The Soviet Union, and I bet every single one of you would look the other way if the government tried to stamp out our faith, even if now you pretend to be appalled.


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    Reality just is. If you want to label reality as ultimate that is fine. I could also label our sun as the ultimate sun, but really it just the sun. 
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    If we are in a computer simulation and there is some ultimate reality that we are not privy too, I wouldn't assume there was a god as a result if it. Seems like a silly conclusion to jump to
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    secularists who consider religion a mental illness. 

    LMAO that is not what the word secular means.
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    You don't  get it.


    It isn't "such and such conception or reality is the ultimate reality". 

    It is "The focus and object of our worship is The Ultimate Reality."

    And you are confused because you refuse to accept that The Ultimate Reality is what is meant by God.


    So now, you say, "of course reality exists", so you know God exists. Your issue is that you still don't recognize what is meant by the word God.


    In doing so, you project your own superstitions on to me.
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    The world secular means worldly.


    And worldly people are indeed blind to the spirit.
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    You don't get it either.


    Sure ultimate reality.

    But you have no way of knowing what that actually is.


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    Bums on seats, that's where the profit is.

    A little something in the collection for God Madam.

    Do you think that they really give a toss if the congregation is full of nutters?

    Though some cynics might argue that Churches are already full of nutters.

    The mad evaluating the mad, if you like.

    God help us!
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    For pete's sake the Catholic church believes in actual ghosts.

    Among many other supernatural things, if the scriptures are to be taken at face value.
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    A Church is a building FULL STOP
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    The catechuman phase lasts a year or more.

     Calm me a cynic, but that would be a simple 'probationary' period of initiation. One of five. This is a simple bullshit ritual to convince the new disciple that he is on the way to being accepted by god  (and the movement) This of course will also depend on how much money the new disciple can offer to the movement. The more you have , the more you give, the higher you get. Just like any other freeloading organisation.


    This is what happens when one doesn't give to the movement;


    But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
    2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
    3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
    4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
    5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
    6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. [...............................]

    10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

    Yes this poor man and his wife were excommunicated (died)  from the "church"  for not giving all they had earned from a sale of some land. But Jesus (and the movement in particular) loves you, If you have enough fkn  Dough.
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    You don't  get it.


    It is always someone else who " doesn't get it", isn't  it, Mopac. It never YOU or your church, is it?

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    Bums on seats, that's where the profit is.
    Sorry zed but you mean prophet. lol

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    As the Jesus god said, let the mad psychoanalyse the mad.
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    no one has a mental illness