I think so. What do you guys think?
Male privilege is a myth
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agreeeSocial sexism against men
16) Real sexism is being mocked when raped because you're a man.
17) Men are expected to not show emotion and remain stoic at all times.
18) Victim blaming is acceptable ONLY when men are the victims and women the perpetrator. This is real sexism.
19) Real sexism is having your gender stereotyped by society as being violent, abusers, etc.
20) Men’s lives are given less value in any emergency situation.
21) Male children are often given harsher punishments by teachers for the same level of mischief as girls.
22) Young boys are given less care and attention by parents than girls and beaten over twice as often as girls by parents.
23) Violence against men by women is much more socially acceptable.
24) Affirmative action for women only in jobs, education, grants, etc.
25) Men enrolled in are often given tougher, more dangerous tasks to perform than women in the same post (in a job) This is real sexism.
27) Males who complain about being objectified are shamed as being “mentally fragile” or their sexuality is questioned. This is real sexism.
28) Men do not have the privilege of showing affection to each other in public as women without people questioning their sexuality.
29) Men are expected to ask women out, pay for dates, decide on the venue – if she rejects him he is often labelled creepy or needy.
30) If a man slaps a woman, he is an abuser and a monster, If a woman slaps a man, “he must have done something to annoy her”
31) When a man breaks up with a woman, he is called a “jerk”. When a woman dumps a man, “he must have failed her somehow”
32) Men are excluded from many positions such as babysitters, etc.
33) Young men having to pay higher car insurance is acceptable but the idea of women having to pay more for health insurance is not.
34) Despite the fact that the real victims of sexual discrimination are men the term sexual discrimination usually excludes men and the vast majority of surveys and news stories about sexual discrimination dont include men.
35) Our culture and media makes the assumption of men as guilty, violent offenders where as women are given special treatment at every turn.
36) In modern movies and TV violence against men is glorified but violence against women is regarded as especially horrific.
37) Many news reports will read the number of people killed and then highlight women and children as more tragic than male death.
EG: "37 people were killed in a bus crash including 17 women"
38) Men are expected to carry heavy things for women, give up their seats for women, shovel snow, mow gardens and do any other job involving manual labour, that women do not wish to perform.
39) Real sexism is a society where men are taught that a man's role is to work, provide, pay and die in order to ensure a woman's happiness.
40) Real sexism is the fact that men working longer hours in harder more dangerous jobs to earn more money to pay for women's choices is being turned into a weapon against men.
Government Sponsored Sexism
1) Real sexism is almost no shelters for male victims of domestic violence.
2) Real sexism is men getting harsher punishments for the same crime.
3) Real sexism is countries with compulsorily military service for men.
4) Real sexism, courts that takes children from fathers based on gender.
5) Men cannot even vote or get citizenship without enrolling for the draft.
6) Real sexism is numerous government departments dealing with women's issues but none dealing with men's issues.
7) Male infant circumcision/genital mutilation is legal and performed widely and even completely socially accepted but female genital mutilation is not.
8) A young boy raped by a woman can be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she gets pregnant, that's real sexism.
9) Many countries do not even recognize female on male rape. It can maximally only amount to “sexual assault” that's real sexism.
10) Real sexism is having no special laws like VAWA to protect men, even though men are the majority of victims of violent crime.
11) There are drives to fill quotas for women for the high paid roles but not in the dangerous jobs dominated by men, thats real sexism.
12) In the army, police, fire service or any other position women have to meet much lower physical standards than men.
13) Real sexism is services for men only given a fraction of the funds that services for women are given at a government and a social level.
14) For the same crime, irrespective of the gender of the offender, the perpetrator gets more punishment if the victim is female rather than male.
15) Most divorce laws are skewed against men, men can lose half his properly, money and children to a woman who decides to leave him.
He is expected to pay for this betrayal, especially if he has already provided for and supported her, this is real sexism.
61% of all child abuse is committed by biological mothers25% of all child abuse is committed by natural fathersStatistical Source: Current DHHS report on nationwide Child Abuse79.6% of custodial mothers receive a support award29.9% of custodial fathers receive a support award46.9% of non-custodial mothers totally default on support26.9% of non-custodial fathers totally default on support20.0% of non-custodial mothers pay support at some level61.0% of non-custodial fathers pay support at some level66.2% of single custodial mothers work less than full-time10.2% of single custodial fathers work less than full-time7.0% of single custodial mothers work more than 44 hours weekly24.5% of single custodial fathers work more than 44 hours weekly46.2% of single custodial mothers receive public assistance20.8% of single custodial fathers receive public assistanceStatistical Source: Technical Analysis Paper No. 42 - U.S. Dept. of Health & Human
Services - Office of Income Security Policy90.2% of fathers with joint custody pay all the support due79.1% of fathers with visitation privileges pay all the support due44.5% of fathers with no visitation pay all the support due37.9% of fathers are denied any visitation66.0% of all support not paid by non-custodial fathers is due to inability to pay Statistical Source: 1988 Census "Child Support and Alimony: 1989 Series P-60, No. 173 p. 6-7. and U.S. General Accounting Office Report"
GAO/HRD-92-39FS January, 199250% of mothers see no value in the father's continued contact with his children.--See "Surviving the Breakup" by Joan Berlin Kelly40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the father's visitation to punish their ex-spouse.--See "Frequency of Visitation...." by Stanford Braver, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes --U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes --Center for Disease Control80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes --Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, p. 403-2671% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes --National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes --U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report Sept., 198885% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home --Fulton County Georgia jail populations & Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992 Translated, this means that children from a fatherless home are:
There are: 11,268,000 total U.S. custodial mothers and 2,907,000 total U.S. custodial fathers--Current Population Reports, U.S. Bureau of the Census, Series P-20, No. 458, 1991In a study of 700 adolescents, researchers found that "compared to families with two natural parents living in the home, adolescents from single-parent families have been found to engage in greater and earlier sexual activity."Source: Carol W. Metzler, et al. "The Social Context for Risky Sexual Behavior Among Adolescents", Journal of Behavioral Medicine 17 (1994)."Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality."Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, DC, 1993."Teenagers living in single-parent households are more likely to abuse alcohol and at an earlier age compared to children reared in two-parent households."Source: Terry E. Duncan, Susan C. Duncan and Hyman Hops, "The Effects of Family Cohesiveness and Peer Encouragement on the Development of Adolescent Alcohol Use: A Cohort-Sequential Approach to the Analysis of Longitudinal Data", Journal of Studies on Alcohol 55 (1994)."...the absence of the father in the home affects significantly the behavior of adolescents and results in the greater use of alcohol and marijuana."Source: Deane Scott Berman "Risk Factors Leading to Adolescent Substance Abuse", Adolescence 30 (1995)A study of 156 victims of child sexual abuse found that the majority of the children came from disrupted or single-parent homes; only 31 percent of the children lived with both biological parents. Although stepfamilies make up only about 10 percent of all families, 27 percent of the abused children lived with either a stepfather or the mother's boyfriend.Source: Beverly Gomes-Schwartz, Jonathan Horowitz, and Albert P. Cardarelli, "Child Sexual Abuse Victims and Their Treatment", U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justce and Delinquency Prevention.Researchers in Michigan determined that "49 percent of all child abuse cases are committed by single mothers."Source: Joan Ditson and Sharon Shay, "A Study of Child Abuse in Lansing, Michigan", Child Abuse and Neglect, 8 (1984)."A family structure index -- a composite index based on the annual rate of children involved in divorce and the percentage of families with children present that are female-headed -- is a strong predictor of suicide among young adult and adolescent white males."Source: Patricia L. McCall and Kenneth C. Land, "Trends in White Male Adolescent, Young-Adult and Elderly Suicide: Are There Common Underlying Structural Factors?" Social Science Research 23, 1994." Fatherless children are at dramatically greater risk of suicide."Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, DC, 1993.In a study of 146 adolescent friends of 26 adolescent suicide victims, teens living in single-parent families are not only more likely to commit suicide but also more likely to suffer from psychological disorders, when compared to teens living in intact families.Source: David A. Brent, et al. "Post-traumatic Stress Disorder in Peers of Adolescent Suicide Victims: Predisposing Factors and Phenomenology.", Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 34, 1995."Boys who grow up in father-absent homes are more likely that those in father-present homes to have trouble establishing appropriate sex roles and gender identity."Source: P.L. Adams, J.R. Milner, and N.A. Schrepf, "Fatherless Children", New York, Wiley Press, 1984."In 1988, a study of preschool children admitted to New Orleans hospitals as psychiatric patients over a 34-month period found that nearly 80 percent came from fatherless homes."Source: Jack Block, et al. "Parental Functioning and the Home Environment in Families of Divorce", Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 27 (1988)"Children living with a never-married mother are more likely to have been treated for emotional problems."Source: L. Remez, "Children Who Don't Live with Both Parents Face Behavioral Problems," Family Planning Perspectives (January/February 1992).Children reared by a divorced or never-married mother are less cooperative and score lower on tests of intelligence than children reared in intact families. Statistical analysis of the behavior and intelligence of these children revealed "significant detrimental effects " of living in a female-headed household. Growing up in a female-headed household remained a statistical predictor of behavior problems even after adjusting for differences in family income.Source: Greg L. Duncan, Jeanne Brooks-Gunn and Pamela Kato Klebanov, "Economic Deprivation and Early Childhood Development", Child Development 65 (1994)."Compared to peers in two-parent homes, black children in single-parent households are more likely to engage in troublesome behavior, and perform poorly in school."Source: Tom Luster and Hariette Pipes McAdoo, "Factors Related to the Achievement and Adjustment of Young African-American Children.", Child Development 65 (1994): 1080-1094
- 5 times more likely to commit suicide
- 32 times more likely to run away
- 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
- 14 times more likely to commit rape
- 9 times more likely to drop out of school
- 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances
- 9 times more likely to end up in a state operated institution
- 20 times more likely to end up in prison
- 5 times more likely to commit suicide
Men are 97% of combat fatalities.
Men pay 97% of Alimony
Men make 94% of work suicides.
Men make up 93% of work fatalities.
Men make up 81% of all war deaths.
Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.
80% of all suicides are men.
77% of homicide victims are men.
89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.
Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women.
Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.
Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.
Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.
Males are discriminated against in school and University.
Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
60-80% of the homeless are men.
Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.
40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
Male fatality rates are vastly higher than women's
Worldwide there are 107 men born for every 100 women, by age 65 there are 78 men for every 100 women, in countries like the USA & UK, its even worse, with 75/76 men for every 100 women. Despite the fact that health care spending for men is nearly twice as effective. In the few countries that have a majority male population and a preference for male children like China, Sons are legally obliged to care for parents when they are older, where as daughters are not. Many other countries like India have this as a social obligation. goo.gl/iZUcJJ
Despite all the pressures and risks facing men today support services for men are almost non existent compared to services for women. There are departments for women's issues in the White House and the UN, but none for men. The UN promotes genital mutilation of male children but condems female genital mutilation. This is Real Sexism.
THE REAL MONEY GAP.
Men earn 61.5% of all income but only account for 25% of domestic spending. Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax. In contrast women make up 38.5% of all income but control 75% of domestic spending, women on average spend 90% MORE MONEY THAN THEY EARN. Men are exploited as cash machines and even with spending on children accounted for women still spend more money on themselves than the combined spending for men and children. This can even be observed in the floor space allocated to women's products in most shopping centres.
TAX & HEALTHCARE DISCRIMINATION
Men pay over 70% of income tax but the vast majority of public spending is on services for women. There is more money spent on breast cancer than lung cancer and prostate cancer combined, despite the fact that lung cancer alone has 3-4 times more fatalities than breast cancer. A man's chance of getting cancer is 44% and 23% of men will die from cancer, 38% of women get cancer and 19% die. Yet there is vastly more money spent on cancer for women, this is lethal discrimination. Women pay 60% less tax despite spending 300% more in domestic spending than men. Women also consume two third of public spending, there are 3 times the amount of gender specific health services for women than men despite the fact that for equal increases in health spending a man's life expectancy rate increases nearly twice as much as a woman's.
There are hundreds of surveys which shows women are as violent if not more violent than men in domestic violence cases. Men get arrested in 85% of all arrests but its estimated that Women are the perpetrators in most Domestic Violence cases. Most reciprocal violence is started by women and 70% of non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women. Women however only get arrested in 15% of all DV arrests. This example of 572 different studies covering 371,600 people demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. http://www.batteredmen.com/NISVS.htm
Despite this though,99.3% of DV shelter spaces are for women and even men who report violence against them by women are arrested far more often than the woman who is attacking them.
Biologically speaking it is a lot easier to be a man. Socially speaking there are pros and cons to both (at least in modern western society, much different case obviously in places like China or the Middle East). Which would I prefer? Hard to say, I have only ever tried the one.
--> @Dr.FranklinWhoa.. dude, slow down!Did you do a debate on this? Or did you get this from some other place?Also, could I use this information for myself?
--> @DynamicSquidNot a myth, even if some overblown interpretations of it do qualify for that label.
--> @DynamicSquid @Ragnaris privilege and advantage the same? Because I don't think so. If you want to say males have some advantages that females do not that should be obvious, but privilege?privilege is granted by others so it's not something YOU have, it's something others give you.of course in countries and societies where women are chattel that's different and I'm not talking about those but rather laws in the U.S. that apply to everyone equally, yes they do, whether those paid to administer them do so equatibily is about them personally and the the actual laws.case in point this is government privilege
--> @TheDredPriateRobertsprivilege is granted by others so it's not something YOU have, it's something others give you.of course in countries and societies where women are chattel that's different and I'm not talking about those but rather laws in the U.S. that apply to everyone equally, yes they do, whether those paid to administer them do so equatibily is about them personally and the the actual laws.For purposes of argument I will take as given that all laws apply to everyone equally. However, if someone paid to administer them doesn't choose to do so equitably, then that is still privilege according to your definition since it is being "granted by others." Even if we say that this does not reflect on the laws themselves, it is still privilege being granted.Second, the inequitable administration of the law is as bad as if the law was inequitable itself. It is on this basis that segregation in schools was ruled illegal. Separate but Equal was deemed to be so inequitable in practice that the very laws that enabled it were overturned.Lastly, the male privilege isn't limited to governmental or legal privilege. In fact, I would say that the legal aspects of male privilege are all but gone. This discussion is primarily a societal one (indeed, we are in the "society" forum).I think it would be rather silly to suggest that, the day the Civil Rights Act was signed, everyone that disagreed with it suddenly started believing and acting differently. Did people who believed that woman shouldn't work in certain jobs, or be able to go to certain places, magically stop believing that? No. Did they magically start treating women differently? No. Gender discrimination lawsuits are still happening all the time.
--> @Dr.FranklinMale privilege doesn't mean "nothing bad ever happens to men."
--> @draftermanwhile those things are true, because a woman could be biased towards other females and gives them privileges she would not give to a man doesn't make it a male privilege which is why it has to be granted. Generally society has agreed all people are equal, so society isn't granting that privilege but again it's individuals that do, it's really no different than bias generally speaking. There are physical advantages but I don't consider them privileges. The fact that women live longer and are less susceptible to certain diseases is not a privilege but advantage and vice versa.Driving is a privilege open to all.What is a privilege unique or that only applies to men?what individuals do or how they act is exactly that an individual act.If male privilege existed then women would also be forced to extend that privilege which does happen in other backwards countries and societies.the examples refer to individuals and not to society, none I have seen yet.
--> @TheDredPriateRobertsI feel weird having to spell out for you that society is composed of individuals...You've already insisted "privilege is granted by others" but are insisting it must be exclusively to the letter of the law, instead of how people treat each other regardless of the law.As the most obvious example, people choose to unfairly and illegally pay men more for less work, as has been recently highlighted by U.S. Soccer. You can do some mental gymnastics to claims that such cases stem from hatred of women rather than favor toward men. However, the outcome leaves men comparatively privileged over women all the same.Another: Society favors men such that there has yet to be even a female Vice President of the United States.
--> @draftermanWell stated.
--> @TheDredPriateRobertsI just want to be clear that you're saying in order for you to accept that male privilege exists it has to be something that only exclusively applies to men and it also applies to every single man and also it has to be given to them by everybody men and woman included?
--> @RagnarI feel weird having to spell out for you that that male sports bring in far more money than female sports do and since it's a business it should be obvious the more money you earn for a business the more you are worth to them right?if something is illegal is that pro/for or counter/against society?Society favors men such that there has yet to be even a female Vice President of the United States.lol ok that's just funny, how is that not a preference, bias or they just were not the best person for the job?like to try again?
--> @draftermana special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.grant a privilege or privileges to.this is the definition I found from dictionary.com
--> @TheDredPriateRobertsI feel weird having to spell out for you that that male sports bring in far more money than female sports do and since it's a business it should be obvious the more money you earn for a business the more you are worth to them right?Thank you for agreeing to the premise of the pay gap. With that in place, you insist that so long as the men are pulling in more money, it's not a privilege...Except womens soccer actually pulls in more money:"From 2016 to 2018, women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue compared with $49.9 million for the men, according to U.S. soccer's audited financial statements. In 2016, the year after the World Cup, the women generated $1.9 million more than the men." -The Wall Street Journal
--> @TheDredPriateRobertsRight, but "male privilege" is a label people created and applied to phenomenon they perceive to exist in the real world.
--> @DynamicSquidi think theres pros and cons of each sex
--> @draftermanRight, but "male privilege" is a label people created and applied to phenomenon they perceive to exist in the real world.yes some people perceive it to exist, some people think ghosts exist as well hahahain our society we are taught everyone is equal etc, not all individuals act that way though, so from my perspective it's an issue with the individual rather than society.our society says one thing however people can still act as they chose.
--> @RagnarFemale soccer players are paid less because their sport makes less. According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.It’s tough to make a straightforward comparison of the earnings for men and women players, because the two teams have different collective-bargaining agreements that outline different pay structures.The teams play different numbers of games each year and earn different bonuses depending on the game type, their opponents’ FIFA rank and the game’s outcome. On top of that, both teams can earn additional bonuses for winning specific tournaments. And certain events, such as the World Cup, have a separate bonus structure entirely.“The male players are paid when they play, but not when they sit,” McCann said. “USMNT players must thus be on the roster to be pay eligible. USWNT players, in contrast, are guaranteed pay.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/08/are-us-womens-soccer-players-really-earning-less-than-men/if you read more it sounds like an apples and oranges comparison because of the pay structures THAT THEY AGREED TO by joining and playing, I suppose if they don't like it they should take it up with their union.
--> @Pinkfreud08Yes, of course.However, are females disadvantaged when it comes to daily interactions with society?