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Aren't you usually more... idk, aggressive when you play? I remember you typically being an aggressive player

or were you only like that when YYW is in the game
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I've been thinking about Budda's claim. At first I was skeptical. An innocent child is a fairly solid claim, but in a small game, a DP3 innocent child is right on the cusp. If he is banking the game could end before them, then it's a really ingenious, if risky claim. I think 2 maf is reasonable. Meaning 2 mislynches and 3 nks gives maf a win. That puts us at, potentially DP3 with one kill away from a maf win.

I agree this is a stretch, and am not discounting the claim at the moment, but it is not a slam dunk claim as I would normally interpret it as.

Right now, my chief FOS are Supa (for the unsolicited vanilla claim and reasons previously given) and Hammer (for reasons previously given).

RM, unfortunately, is town which basically means I ignore him for the rest of the game.

Earth and Danielle I don't have a read on yet.

GP is GP and pretty much inscrutable to me.

I'm waffling on Vaarka. On the one hand I see his actions as legitimate scum hunting, on the other I see it as casting a bunch of FOS to see what sticks and can whip up a wagon on.
I agree with all of this, strengthening my town read on you. Thoughts on Hammer? 

Also, with ~2 hrs left in the DP, who would you be most comfortable lynching at this time? 
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@Vaarka
Aren't you usually more... idk, aggressive when you play? I remember you typically being an aggressive player

or were you only like that when YYW is in the game


How am I not being "aggressive" here? I just posted 6 paragraphs of analysis including a slew of insults toward RM lol. 

This is the kind of useless post that seems like (as drafterman said) you throwing out random comments and then seeing if any FOS' stick.

But yes, I am generally more aggressive when YYW plays. In Mafia and life in general, my harsh tone toward others is always in retaliation (not instigation). YYW is a scumbag when he plays, so I tend to respond in kind. RM is being douchey, but unlike YYW he seems genuinely dim so I do feel a little guilty by replying in kind. Oh well. I think it's best to just ignore him entirely for now.
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I'm waffling on Vaarka. On the one hand I see his actions as legitimate scum hunting, on the other I see it as casting a bunch of FOS to see what sticks and can whip up a wagon on.

This is a good point. Did you see any town reads that i missed? Can't recall if he has TR'd anyone tbh




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@Vaarka
Fmpov = from my point of view
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@Danielle
Danielle, I am not genuinely dim. You are just too pigheaded to grasp anything I say so you take it as irrational whining.
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@Buddamoose
No Town Reads. He's Scum Read just about everyone:

#161 - Earth/Supa
#192 - Rather lynch RM than nobody
#214 - Budda/Supa
#319 - Slight FOS on GP
#325 - Danielle/Drafter
#328 - More FOS on GP

I also note that sometimes he starts off jokingly FOSing someone (Danielle is scum for watching TV, you're scum for using emojis) then develops that into a fullfledged FOS, as if he is testing the waters for an FOS on that person. But really, he's FOS'd 6 out of 9 people.

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Also if you ignore what I post I'll just go AFK and ask to be replaced. Don't think for a fucking second you have any right to suggest B.
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@Danielle
The only thing giving me a town read is that he implied both Nolan and John were referenced in his character description. This suggests that Nolan and John are in the game, giving more credibility to Budda's claim. Supa also seemed to pick up on this and imply Budda is town.  @Budda - do you agree with this?
This is true

than we should assume Supa is town, correct?
This is not. If Supa is town it does make me look town. Because I claimed Nolan I think previous to him outlining Nolan is specifically mentioned. 

However, if I'm town, that doesn't necessarily make Supa town fmpov? My pm does not mention Jane. Though it is true that Jane and Nolan are at the least from what I've found, friends in the show?

Conversely if Supa is scum, it would put a FOS on Budda. I'm not sure Budda would have "allowed" that poor scum play if they were on a team. 

I'm not quite following you on this? Supa as a whole has come across at the least confident in what he is saying and, to put it kindly, somewhat stubborn. Removing that I'm town and toying with how that hypothetical scum team might operate based on what I've seen behaviorally from Supa... 

I thimk it wouldnt be whether I would have allowed it, rather, whether or not I would have claimed a character so closely linked to Supas claim. 
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@Buddamoose
This is a good point. Did you see any town reads that i missed? Can't recall if he has TR'd anyone tbh
Well if it makes you feel better, I townread myself, and unless you're not confirmed DP3, I have to townread you

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@Danielle
My issue with hammer is he heavily FOS'd RM, but then ended up voting for Supa. Voting contrary to your statements has always been a scum tell for me. But now that I went back and through Vaarka's posts, I am beginning to FOS him more. I'm comfortable with a Supa/Hammer/Vaarka lynch, but Hammer is the only feasible one with the time remaining.
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Danielle also scumslipped insisting Danny isn't in the game
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I want a danielle or drafter lynch. Earth too.

Vaarka and hammer i want bullied into outing if possible but I get the idea they are hesitant to out for reasons other than being scummy.
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GP included in the vaarka hammer line
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I also note that sometimes he starts off jokingly FOSing someone (Danielle is scum for watching TV, you're scum for using emojis) then develops that into a fullfledged FOS, as if he is testing the waters for an FOS on that person. But really, he's FOS'd 6 out of 9 people.
Once Budda claimed innocent child reveal DP3 I had to town read him, regardless of what I think. My emoji thing was half a joke and half "bro wtf stop overreacting to shit with emojis that's not normal", but I'm not gonna push against him or even think about lynching him unless a night action reveals him as guilty, or he doesn't get confirmed DP3. 

The thing on Danielle involving watching TV was at first me saying "yo stop watching TV and read", kinda like someone making an excuse for why they're barely active and not giving much content (especially since she used TV more than once). Doubt I would have pushed much more on it if not for the drafterman defense. 
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@Danielle
How am I not being "aggressive" here? I just posted 6 paragraphs of analysis including a slew of insults toward RM lol. 
Yeah but everyone insults him

This is the kind of useless post that seems like (as drafterman said) you throwing out random comments and then seeing if any FOS' stick.
I mean I just say shit as it comes to me. In general though I remembered you having aggressive play in either case.

But yes, I am generally more aggressive when YYW plays. In Mafia and life in general, my harsh tone toward others is always in retaliation (not instigation). YYW is a scumbag when he plays, so I tend to respond in kind. RM is being douchey, but unlike YYW he seems genuinely dim so I do feel a little guilty by replying in kind. Oh well. I think it's best to just ignore him entirely for now. 
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stfu about theme we can worry about it when someone is dead
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@Vaarka
I will not stfu about anything. I can speak freely and if you say anything about me not being allowed to discuss theme again, I will block you.
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@drafterman
No Town Reads. He's Scum Read just about everyone:

#161 - Earth/Supa
#192 - Rather lynch RM than nobody
#214 - Budda/Supa
#319 - Slight FOS on GP
#325 - Danielle/Drafter
#328 - More FOS on GP

I also note that sometimes he starts off jokingly FOSing someone (Danielle is scum for watching TV, you're scum for using emojis) then develops that into a fullfledged FOS, as if he is testing the waters for an FOS on that person. But really, he's FOS'd 6 out of 9 people

I agree that it looks suspicious, cause it has potential mafia motives that are facially obvious. He could feasibly be doing this in an attempt to gauge reactions though, no? Even if the reactions he's going to gain from his FoS's arent generally going to get telling reactions imho. But less than stellar execution of something doesn't make a person scum fmpov..

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@Vaarka
Yeah, I'm not going to FOS for making a joke. But the thing is, you followed up that "joke" with a "yeah, but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out."

Budda flips scum? "Look, I FOSd him from DP1"

Budda flips town? "Hey man, I was just joking."

And you made a "joke" about Danielle being scum, then magically she appears on one of your scum lists (which, again, includes 2/3rds of the people. Are you Mafia thinking that Town is scum or something?)
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@Vaarka
My emoji thing was half a joke and half "bro wtf stop overreacting to shit with emojis that's not normal

On the latter, ok? It's normal for me, or have you otherwise missed that I use emojis in near every situation. I like them 👏. How is an emoji an overreaction? And for that matter, how is overreacting something that is indicative of affiliation? 

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@drafterman
Yeah, I'm not going to FOS for making a joke. But the thing is, you followed up that "joke" with a "yeah, but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out."
Wait which post?

I didn't FOS her until after she made her thing about Drafterman (you), which is the entire reason I put you guys on my list

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@Vaarka
good pair of FOS you have, now vote drafter or danielle and stop pretending to scumread them.

Actions matter more than words.
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@Buddamoose
Yeah, I'm not going to FOS for making a joke. But the thing is, you followed up that "joke" with a "yeah, but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out."
Because when I see people going "haha lmao ECKS DEE" kinda shit, it usually sticks out as if you're trying to distract from a point someone made, or even discredit them. It seems like overreaction, and while one emoji every now and then is fine (unless it's the rolling eyes emoji), a whole bunch, especially in the same post, specifically where you're discrediting someone, seems like what I just described. 

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I already said either of them or GP, and I'd prefer GP. 

VTL GP
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@Vaarka
I don't prefer GP.
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I do