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And we all know that salads are icky, so therefore lefties bad.
Also, we all know that salads are healthy, so therefore lefties good ;)
#FeelingsDontCareAboutYourFacts
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Because being able to communicate with other Americans is the only way you can have a healthy society. How can you get along with people if you cannot understand them?

And on the economic side, people who can’t speak English are much less marketable, meaning they are much more likely to go on welfare. That then affects the general taxpayer. 

Two pretty decent reasons to force fluency. Immigrants do currently have some language requirements, but they aren’t very strict at all. 
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Melting pots are like fondue. Fondue is fun and better tasting.

Salads are all wilted and soggy. Gross

Plus word salads are really bad
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Plus everyone knows blended drinks are tastier than salads. Drink your vegetables. 
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There is substantial evidence that one's ability to learn new languages decreases with age. Thus, those who are forced to become fluent in English will inevitably be unable to learn it to nearly the same degree as those who speak English as their first language. This can result in those people facing many obstacles in a society where they are expected to only speak English, which greatly reduces their potential to contribute to society. This negatively impacts the economy, which then places a greater burden on the average taxpayer.

America was, is, and will most likely always be a nation of immigrants. These immigrants bring with them their unique cultures, stories, and practical wisdom with their languages, which in turn makes America more diverse as a whole. Diversity is not a weakness, but instead a glorious strength. If everyone is forced to learn English, then these shared experiences get lost amongst children of immigrants (more so than it already is), especially if they are simultaneously discouraged from speaking their native tongue. This has a profound negative effect on the nation as a whole, as once they lose their cultural connections to their ancestors, we lose out on them too.

Two pretty decent reasons to not force English fluency onto everyone.

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Certain types of fondue can cause disease. [1]

You've obviously never had a good caesar salad before.

Word salads are useful. Without them, how can conspiracy theorists and apologists make their arguments?
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Plus everyone knows that the best way to mask the flavor of something is to blend it [1]. 
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I mean, if you are going to make a health shake, do it right. Don't halfass it.
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Plus it doesn't matter if you can't understand the laws written in English if you can just ignore the laws.


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Yes, like the good folks at Herbalife.
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Which laws are they ignoring?
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There is substantial evidence that one's ability to learn new languages decreases with age. Thus, those who are forced to become fluent in English will inevitably be unable to learn it to nearly the same degree as those who speak English as their first language. This can result in those people facing many obstacles in a society where they are expected to only speak English, which greatly reduces their potential to contribute to society. This negatively impacts the economy, which then places a greater burden on the average taxpayer.
And your solution is to.... what? Force Americans to know five different languages to accommodate foreigners? Let them speak a language no one understands? I'd much rather have all of them learn one more so we can all understand each other. They, as people with the privilege of coming here, have that duty. :^)

America was, is, and will most likely always be a nation of immigrants. These immigrants bring with them their unique cultures, stories, and practical wisdom with their languages, which in turn makes America more diverse as a whole. Diversity is not a weakness, but instead a glorious strength. If everyone is forced to learn English, then these shared experiences get lost amongst children of immigrants (more so than it already is), especially if they are simultaneously discouraged from speaking their native tongue. This has a profound negative effect on the nation as a whole, as once they lose their cultural connections to their ancestors, we lose out on them too.

We were never really a nation of constant immigration until the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act.

We had an occasional big flow and then cut it off until they assimilated. You will see this before and after the Ellis Island immigration.

Diversity is a weakness. People with huge differences living together never works. Imagine having a wife with whom you have nothing in common. How do you expect that marriage to last? That is how you get Balkan states, which is honestly where we are headed. Look at these race riots as a preview of that.

And those Ellis Island immigrants? They enthusiastically learned English. We didn't have a social safety net to bail them out for not learning English like we do with today's immigrants. 

Neither of those were good reasons not to force immigrants to be able to understand the people of the land they consciously chose to immigrate to. Being harder to learn the language isn't a reason to give them a pass- either they work harder or they aren't someone worth letting in the country. And as for them preserving their culture by not being forced to learn English, you are proving that they are disrupting our country by causing subcultures to pop up. Imagine going into an area of YOUR country and you go to Walmart and none of them speak English and you can't accomplish any type of exchange. Ridiculous.
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Here's a controversial statement:
Not all immigrants are criminals who ignore laws.
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I don't know. You'd have to ask GP
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Here is a controversial statement:

Christopher Columbus was an immigrant who led pillaging, slaughter and abuse of the locals only to birth a nation whose majority ethnicity would end up paranoid of all immigrants doing the same to them.
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In Canada, not being bilingual can cost you your life.


“I was mad. I as mad, I didn’t know what to do,” Hansen said.
“If he can’t understand us, then where does this take us? Her life is in jeopardy, this is an emergency situation.”


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Before we continue, please clarify what your position is. Are you for all immigrants to learn English as a second language, or are you for prohibiting all languages but English from being used in public?
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Since English is the language of international commerce, they should have to learn English before they can apply for welfare.

Over 90% of the English speaking job sector is pretty much closed if a person cannot hold a conversation with their employer. An unemployable person shouldn't be subsidized. America can afford to recruit the best and the brightest from around the globe, we are in a bull market when it comes to immigration. We don't need to scrape the bottom of the employable barrel when there is a HUGE waiting list of qualified employable legal immigrants waiting to get in.

English is taught as a second language in almost EVERY developed nation who have more than enough recruits to fill America's immigration quotas.

Even China.
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I don't care what they do in their homes, but they have to be fluent in English. Like, being able to understand 9/10 sentences.

Those dang Korean nail salon ladies are very off-putting I have heard, though ;) 

Also, all federal documents should really be in English, but that is just a minor thing.
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Here is another controversial statement:

If you are an American of European descent (by America, I mean North and South America), then you are here because your ancestors stole the land and killed most of the individuals on it.

Another one just for the sake of it:

They say that black "rioters" are ruining the country, even though their ancestors were the ones who forcibly brought the "rioters'" ancestors over here in the first place.
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Riots are what Jake Paul did. Guess what ethnicity he is.
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If you are an American of European descent (by America, I mean North and South America), then you are here because your ancestors stole the land and killed most of the individuals on it.

We did what tribes were doing to each other for generations. We were just more successful at it.

They say that black "rioters" are ruining the country, even though their ancestors were the ones who forcibly brought them over here in the first place.

Guess that makes burning down cities okay when you put it like that.
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Riots are what Jake Paul did. Guess what ethnicity he is.
The far-right will probably say he adopted a "n***** identity" or something like that lol
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There is no such thing as N culture, only a shade of skin.

Rich shady skin people do not exist and neither do poor ghosts.
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We did what tribes were doing to each other for generations. We were just more successful at it.
Guess it makes genocide okay when you put it like that.

Guess that makes burning down cities okay when you put it like that.
You missed my point here. What some on the right are saying is that the rioters are mostly black people, and therefore black people are an issue.
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Guess it makes genocide okay when you put it like that.

Cultural genocides have been going on way before the fall of Rome and long after the fall of Seattle.
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Do you think that all Americans have equal opportunities in the year 2020?
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Cultural genocides have been going on way before the fall of Rome and long after the fall of Seattle.
Guess it makes actual genocide okay when you put it like that.
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Do you think that all Americans have equal opportunities in the year 2020?

No, because we are ranked #15 on the 2019 world freedom of opportunity index.
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Guess it makes genocide okay when you put it like that.

It does, I'm glad we agree.

You missed my point here. What some on the right are saying is that the rioters are mostly black people, and therefore black people are an issue.

They are mostly black people.

And black people say white people are the problem for literally every issue. If whites leave and their communities go in the crapper, it is "white flight". If they come back and things become higher quality and higher priced, it is "gentrification".

Not finishing high school and have over 70% out of wedlock births leading to crime and poverty? Must be the evil white man and his darn "systemic racism".