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Yes you can. Get rich and do something about it.
lol, so your argument is that all I have to do is win a super rigged game, and then I can get rid of the rigged game? Why would anyone try to do that? If someone wins the rigged game and becomes rich, then the rigged game now protects them. They now benefit from the economy being rigged in their favor. 

No, the much better plan is for all of us to reshape the economy to take power away from the corrupt billionaires. 

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lol, so your argument is that all I have to do is win a super rigged game, and then I can get rid of the rigged game? Why would anyone try to do that? If someone wins the rigged game and becomes rich, then the rigged game now protects them. They now benefit from the economy being rigged in their favor. 

No, the much better plan is for all of us to reshape the economy to take power away from the corrupt billionaires. 
We both agree that money correlates with power. We both want money. I’ll work for it. You choose not to. You can’t defeat rich people my friend. They have a million and one ways to avoid everything you want to do. So if you want to do something. Get rich. Gain influence. And then do it. I’ll be waiting.

And why would you as a rich person protect yourself and not pay as much taxes? You’re a hypocrite. You want to be rich and are saying you would willingly do the same thing you accuse rich people of doing. We all would.
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We both agree that money correlates with power. We both want money. I’ll work for it. You choose not to.
that is not what I said. I do work for it. But I also realize the system is rigged against me. We will never have it fixed in time for it to particularly help me. But I want my kids to have more opportunities than I have. Sadly, the way things are going they will have significantly less opportunities, just like my generation have less opportunity than my parents. 

And why would you as a rich person protect yourself and not pay as much taxes? You’re a hypocrite. You want to be rich and are saying you would willingly do the same thing you accuse rich people of doing. We all would.
I didn't say I would do that. I said that someone who won the rigged game would do that. In order to win the game, you likely need to be the kind of cut throat asshole who would screw over other people in order to get ahead. People like that would have no interest in fixing a broken system that now benefits them. 
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But you will never be among the top 1%
Who says? You? ha! tell me who Jeff Bezoz was when he graduated from Princeton in 1986. His dad owned a bicycle shop; his mom was 17 when he was born. Now, not just approaching 1%, he IS THE one percent. The only people who say "you will never" are the people who never will. Argue for your limitations; they yours. Sorry, I don't play there.
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Donald Trump, who was born into a wealthy family with a thriving business had a much better chance of becoming a billionaire than someone like me, who grew up in a nice suburb. 
I agree. People with good parents and access to the best schools and business connections are going to have more opportunities to become millionaires.

That being said, Hollywood is littered with failed progenies who end up bankrupt or dead from drugs. Having rich parents is no guarantee for a wealthy future unless you are a trust fund baby, which means you aren't actually productive, just spending the wealth someone else earned legitimately. You won't ever be wealthier than your trust fund if you don't produce anything. But we need the trust fund babies as an incentive for the parents that bust their balls to make millions of dollars, otherwise, the GDP suffers when they choose to sit it out.

Trump's brothers never made nearly as much money. Bill Clinton's brother was an absolute bum. The list goes on.

America needs to remain a place where the rare hyper-productive can work 80 hour work weeks doing crazy shit to keep the consumers happy. Cause they will go where they are wanted if it isn't here in America. Much of the GDP and jobs in America is due solely to the insane people that work 80 hour work weeks and invest ungodly amounts of time and money in ventures. Those insane people need to be tolerated if you want to keep your current standard of living.
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Who says? You? ha! tell me who Jeff Bezoz was when he graduated from Princeton in 1986. His dad owned a bicycle shop; his mom was 17 when he was born. Now, not just approaching 1%, he IS THE one percent. The only people who say "you will never" are the people who never will. Argue for your limitations; they yours. Sorry, I don't play there.
ok, but you are kind of making my point. Jeff Bezoz is a one in a 100 million kind of case. He worked super hard, had a great idea and had alot of luck. He managed to win the rigged game. But now his company is working tirelessly to crush smaller businesses out of existence and take over the marketplace. He actually perpetuates the problem and makes it harder than ever for other people to win at the rigged game. 

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will you ever tire of making excuses for yourself? STOP! You do yourself no favors. Do I care if Bezos is 1 in 1,000,000? Should you? I guess if you're convinced you'll never make it, I guess you won't. No, I'll guarantee it. Like I saId: YOU AND YOUR MIRROR. CHANGE THAT GUY. Best place to start.
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But I also realize the system is rigged against me. We will never have it fixed in time for it to particularly help me. But I want my kids to have more opportunities than I have. Sadly, the way things are going they will have significantly less opportunities, just like my generation have less opportunity than my parents. 
You’re welcome to keep believe that. There are countless examples where that’s not true. Everyone has the same opportunity. You can become President. I can become President. I can create a billionaire company from scratch, you can too. You choose to live in a world where you believe everyone is out to get you and as a result don’t try or work hard enough. Wake up.

I didn't say I would do that. I said that someone who won the rigged game would do that. In order to win the game, you likely need to be the kind of cut throat asshole who would screw over other people in order to get ahead. People like that would have no interest in fixing a broken system that now benefits them.
Give me a break. You wouldn’t want to fix the system either. You said so yourself. Stop being a hypocrite. 

“lol, so your argument is that all I have to do is win a super rigged game, and then I can get rid of the rigged game? Why would anyone try to do that? If someone wins the rigged game and becomes rich, then the rigged game now protects them. They now benefit from the economy being rigged in their favor.” 

This is what you said not me. Do you fit in this category that you created. If you do then you’re a hypocrite. If you don’t then having money and power can enact policies you’re in support of. Which is it?
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He’s being a hypocrite just like Saint Bernie. There was a time when Bernie Sanders thought being a millionaire was immoral. That was until he himself became one and then changed it to billionaire. He’s was a sell out in 2016 and is a sell out now. All he cares about is the money the DNC gave him to fuck off
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will you ever tire of making excuses for yourself? STOP! You do yourself no favors. Do I care if Bezos is 1 in 1,000,000? Should you? I guess if you're convinced you'll never make it, I guess you won't. No, I'll guarantee it. Like I saId: YOU AND YOUR MIRROR. CHANGE THAT GUY. Best place to start.
blah, blah, blah american dream bullshit. The american dream is pretty much dead. The idea that "anyone can make it" is a lie. Most people never will. And it isn't because they are lazy or stupid or whatever nonsense right wing people feel like saying. The system is designed to keep people down. It is designed to funnel wealth to the very top. So yes, a small percentage will become moderately well off. A very few will become wealthy. And an absolutely minute number will become rich. 

Kids being born today have way less opportunities than their parents did. And those parents have less opportunity than their parents did. You can keep pretending like the american dream is real, but you are just lying to yourself and helping the rich continue to rob everyone blind. 

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You’re welcome to keep believe that. There are countless examples where that’s not true.
there are examples of people winning the rigged game. But just because some people get very lucky and manage to pull this off does not mean the game isn't rigged. 

You choose to live in a world where you believe everyone is out to get you and as a result don’t try or work hard enough. Wake up.
no, i live in reality. The rich get richer and most other people get poorer or tread water. that has been the economic trend for decades. 

Give me a break. You wouldn’t want to fix the system either. You said so yourself. Stop being a hypocrite. 
what? when did I say that?

This is what you said not me. Do you fit in this category that you created. If you do then you’re a hypocrite. If you don’t then having money and power can enact policies you’re in support of. Which is it?
the only people who can win at the game are people who are incredibly corrupt or extremely cut throat. Since I am neither of those things, the odds of me winning the rigged game are extremely remote (like virtually everyone else). 

Assuming I someone managed to win the game without being corrupt or cut throat I would hope I would have the moral fortitude to act in the common good instead of only in my own self interest. But I will never know the answer to that. Wealth and power have a way of breeding corruption and greed. It is likely that the actions I would need to take to get there would undermine my morality. 
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American dream bullshyte? It is only if you make so. If your dreams are trashed that's on you. We're done, you're a useless bore.
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American dream bullshyte? It is only if you make so. If your dreams are trashed that's on you. We're done, you're a useless bore.
my dreams aren't trashed. The american dream is. It is extremely difficult, bordering on impossible, for that to happen any more. The best that the vast majority can hope for is lower middle class because all of the wealth is being funneled to the very richest in society. 

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You’re welcome to keep believing that. There are countless examples where that’s not true. Everyone has the same opportunity. You can become President. I can become President. I can create a billionaire company from scratch, you can too. You choose to live in a world where you believe everyone is out to get you and as a result don’t try or work hard enough. Wake up.

Learned helplessness starts at an early age.

Lifestyle choices matter.
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Learned helplessness starts at an early age.

Lifestyle choices matter.
Amen
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It's actually in every rich elite's best interest for them to push the idea that the American dream is dead.

Less competition that way.
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That being said, Hollywood is littered with failed progenies who end up bankrupt or dead from drugs. Having rich parents is no guarantee for a wealthy future unless you are a trust fund baby, which means you aren't actually productive, just spending the wealth someone else earned legitimately. You won't ever be wealthier than your trust fund if you don't produce anything. But we need the trust fund babies as an incentive for the parents that bust their balls to make millions of dollars, otherwise, the GDP suffers when they choose to sit it out.
Yeah, there's definitely something to be said about the human need for struggle. If your life is sufficiently easy enough that there is nothing to overcome, you need to make an effort to intentionally take on challenges, whereas normal people tend to just have them thrown at them by life. Also when it comes to celebrity kids in particular a combination of fame from birth + narcissistic parents is toxic af
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Well, narcissism is a trait shared by most rich people and other over-achievers.

These aberrant people are helpful to society if they can produce things that everyone can use.

Definitely not the best parents, no matter what Ivanka and Don Jr. claim.
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You need to make an effort to intentionally take on challenges.

Yeah, I made a life choice to join the Navy because I wasn't challenged enough at college and I didn't know what I wanted to do.
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and then blow the money off on some stupid government spending bill, make the rich uninterested and invest in China

nah, of course abusive tax breaks like bezoz needs to be cracked down but npthing the dems propose will work
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If you elect Joe Biden, your taxes are going up, and Mt. Rushmore is coming down. Don't you dare tell me that only the one-percenters will be taxed; that you'll skate. Don't be an idiot. You already want to have free higher education, and medicare for all. Just to cover the current government expense, taxing just the one-percenters, even at 100% [they get no income] you will fund the government for less than six months. Who pays the rest? You, you, and you, and me. Now add your Green New Deal, which estimates are anywhere from $7T over ten years, to $30T over ten years. That's close to, to exceeding an additional $1T per year. Add medicare for all; that's a trillion more. Per year. Add free education, free abortions, free child care, free energy [yes, you're proposing that], and a living wage payment even if you don't work, free benefits for illegals, and on, and on. So don't give me your crap that the one-percenters can pay for all that, so, you won't have a tax increase. Your Marxism is a failed social contract. It has never lasted anywhere tried for more than 100 years. Meanwhile, the system you're throwing away has endured 230 years. You tell me which has a better chance of survival. But, go ahead. Vote for Joe Biden. You cannot even tell me when you elect him who the President will be, because it ain't Joe Biden. He's a puppet. Who's really your Marxist overlord? You don't know, do you?
But why does it appear that around half your country is buying into this Bolshevik BS? Do you think it stems from indoctrination and effective propaganda machinery?

Like you probably think, this election is the most important your country will ever face. We witness every day the anarchy taking place in liberal Democrat-run cities and states. The Democrats as a party are silent on the violence and killing of blacks killing blacks, blacks injuring and killing black police officers. It makes me wonder if they really believe BLM or whether the Dems are using the Marxist movement (both founders are Marxist) for political gains. The Democrat-run mayors and councils try to defund those who protect their communities. Not only this, but these same Democrat-run cities also promote a form of education that is not working - a public school system controlled by big government. Time after time these African American communities vote for a failing Party that promises everything but never delivers. These cities continue to be, year after year, some of the worst run in America. At election time every two and four years we hear the same rhetoric about how racist the Republicans are when it was the Democrat Party that originally supported slavery, some of its members supported the KKK, and promoted segregation. The Democrats are the cancel culture party, oppressors of free speech, stand for revision of history, promote censorship of any political decent, demonize the opposition, charge sports teams and their fans as racists, push changing team names proudly adopted because of the strength of the name (like The Washington Redskins).  The Demos also push socialism, a system of government that has never worked wherever it is tried but slowly erodes the freedoms of its citizens. Isn't that what is happening right now in your society by that Party? The Demos have very few constructive policies but use their platform to villainize and character assassinates those who oppose them and dare show the consequences of such vile ideology. 


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That is such a load of crap! What, you abdicate control of your destiny that easily? Get an education. Learn to think critically. Use your head to whorl smart, not just hard. Is that so hard?
I have an education. I do think critically. I see that the vast majority of wealth is controlled by a very few number of people. They have, over the course of decades and even centuries, designed an economic system that protects them and their class. They have systematically devalued labor and experience and concentrated as much wealth and power into their own hands. 

So yes, if you work hard all your life it is possible to succeed. But you will never be among the top 1%. You will never be wealthy or powerful enough to make any real change. But that is how they sell the lie. 

And the current economic crisis has actually highlighted that point. The people who are critically important are the people who run our hospitals, drive the trucks full of goods, stock our grocery stores etc. But those people are getting completely screwed over. It isn't them the government is spending trillions of dollars to support. It is businesses and millionaires/billionaires. When it comes down to it, the system is designed to protect the rich, not you. 

Yet people from all over the world flock to your country, fleeing from totalitarian and leftist governments. They want what you have. You want what they have. Why don't you move? They are willing. China has a big gap in the wealthy and poor too, yet the poor have no freedom of expression, cannot speak out against their government. Millions are persecuted and suppressed. That is what we witness on college and university campuses where any conservative or Republican voice is drowned out. Those liberal, leftists who promote free speech are the ones who violently act against any view that opposes their own with college riots and hateful protests. This crowd of leftists mob your cities, creating police-free zones while their anarchy and control harm those who dissent. The victims are the residents. These people treat others with intimidation and their property with extreme disrespect. They break through gates, vandalize, murder, and rob all in the name of BLM, a decoy for their real agenda. They kill black people while blaming the police. Their violence affects whole neighbourhoods and cities. And the Demos are the ones who either support them or are silent on the moral and social wrongs they bring to and continually propagate. The Demos are the ones who prop up and support their failing neighbourhoods and school systems. 

Although you are not as well-off as the billionaires, their companies give you jobs and raise your living standards far above these totalitarian regimes that oppress their citizens in every way while the rich feed off the backs of the poor in their exploitation. There is no synergism their. 
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will you ever tire of making excuses for yourself? STOP! You do yourself no favors. Do I care if Bezos is 1 in 1,000,000? Should you? I guess if you're convinced you'll never make it, I guess you won't. No, I'll guarantee it. Like I saId: YOU AND YOUR MIRROR. CHANGE THAT GUY. Best place to start.
Not only this, but George Soros and Bezos also promote the undermining of your current government, IMO. They fund leftists groups and ideologies to destabilize your country and its values and turn it into their utopian Shangrila which will fail you even more as they get richer. It is all about power. The Democrats are all about power. They don't care about Americans as anything other than a vote, IMO. They are masters of propaganda and creating group-think, funnelling thinking to their political and monetary advantage. People like Joe Biden and his family have gotten rich from his public office from my understanding.
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Do you think it stems from indoctrination and effective propaganda machinery?
Yes, but I don't just think it, I know its happening. My daughter, who is not 40, would come home from school telling me what she learned that day. Elementary school [K - 6] then middle, and high school, all in 70s and early 80s. The Marxist propagandas was in full display, then.  She was telling me this slavery nonsense practiced by Washington, and Jefferson, et al. But, what she was not taught was that to abolish slavery then, prior to ratification of the Constitution, would collapse the South's economy immediately. The founders knew this would be disastrous, both abolitionists and slavers. Fortunately, they agreed to disagree, and many with reluctance, ratified the Constitution, and hoped a resolution would come. Being Canadian, do I assume correctly your ancestry is British? It took the British two full parliamentary efforts, and some 30 years to finally abolish slavery. It required of us a Civil War. It was never going to be easy, but both made the correct effort. Just so, I believe the effort of Marxism to infiltrate and control our government will take the same effort to eradicate.
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Yet people from all over the world flock to your country, fleeing from totalitarian and leftist governments. They want what you have. You want what they have. Why don't you move? They are willing. China has a big gap in the wealthy and poor too, yet the poor have no freedom of expression, cannot speak out against their government. Millions are persecuted and suppressed. 
so your argument is that there are worse places in the world, so we should do absolutely nothing about the problems in our economy?

Although you are not as well-off as the billionaires, their companies give you jobs and raise your living standards far above these totalitarian regimes that oppress their citizens in every way while the rich feed off the backs of the poor in their exploitation. There is no synergism their. 
ok, so the people siphoning off the vast majority of the wealth let people have enough to stay alive (although in many cases they don't even do that), so we should just be super happy about that and continue to obey and serve them? That is a really shitty outlook on the world. 
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Do you think it stems from indoctrination and effective propaganda machinery?
Yes, but I don't just think it, I know its happening. My daughter, who is not 40, would come home from school telling me what she learned that day. Elementary school [K - 6] then middle, and high school, all in 70s and early 80s. The Marxist propagandas was in full display, then.  She was telling me this slavery nonsense practiced by Washington, and Jefferson, et al. But, what she was not taught was that to abolish slavery then, prior to ratification of the Constitution, would collapse the South's economy immediately. The founders knew this would be disastrous, both abolitionists and slavers. Fortunately, they agreed to disagree, and many with reluctance, ratified the Constitution, and hoped a resolution would come. Being Canadian, do I assume correctly your ancestry is British? It took the British two full parliamentary efforts, and some 30 years to finally abolish slavery. It required of us a Civil War. It was never going to be easy, but both made the correct effort. Just so, I believe the effort of Marxism to infiltrate and control our government will take the same effort to eradicate.

I was born in Zambia, registered as Canadian born overseas. My father was born in Ontario Canada and my mother in the Cape Province, South Africa from British descent. I have experienced apartheid.

If I remember correctly you said you had worked in 30 countries. That is quite a resume. Like you, I have witnessed a lot of poverty. Zambia became one of the poorest countries in Africa after we left in 1970, even though at the time it was third in copper production in the world. The president invited the Chinese to help develop the country. I remember going to the yearly agricultural show in 1970 where everyone passing through the gates was handed a Red Book (the Communist Manifesto). Then Zimbabwe, next door, became Marxist after UDI (the Unilateral Declaration of Independence) was disbanded (I believe in the '80s). My uncle who had owned a farm there since before the 1950s had it confiscated by the government. Not only that, but his wife was also murdered by the farmhands. I've watched what socialism did to that country, again now one of the poorest in Africa along with another socialist state - Mozambique. Angola also fought a civil war with communist back guerilla fighters. Many countries in Africa have fallen victim to the Marxist socialist agenda. Your country is now being plowed by this radical movement. As you have noticed with your daughter, leftist ideology has gained momentum in the educational system. The door has been left wide open and now it has reached your members of Congress with Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the Squad (who is foolish enough to vote for these people?) having a major impact on which way your countries thought system is driven. I personally think that if Trump is not elected again your country is lost. What I don't understand is how the (supposed) silent majority remains so. I suppose that when the media shames anyone who opposes these leftist policies people just keep quiet and watch their country disintegrating with this zealot extremism. I only hope that enough people see what is going on and vote to stop it for another four years. Unless the underlying philosophies change it will inevitably become the norm, I fear, if it hasn't already. 
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Yet people from all over the world flock to your country, fleeing from totalitarian and leftist governments. They want what you have. You want what they have. Why don't you move? They are willing. China has a big gap in the wealthy and poor too, yet the poor have no freedom of expression, cannot speak out against their government. Millions are persecuted and suppressed. 
so your argument is that there are worse places in the world, so we should do absolutely nothing about the problems in our economy?
Not at all. I think your country was doing remarkably well under Trump until Covid-19. 

Your argument seems to be that it is no better than third world countries. I know a little about such countries. I've lived and worked in one and was born in another. Why do you think there are so many people fleeing other parts of the world to come to America? Your problem, IMO, is that you do not appreciate what you have. Many problems in much of your economy have been created and perpetuated by the Democrat Party. I already mentioned some major city's where this becomes evident because they have been in the hands of Democrats for decades in some cases. Take a look at Baltimore, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Seatle, Portland, St. Louis, LA, San Fransico, as a few and tell me what they have in common. Many are also sanctuary cities. When are these people going to learn that Democrats can't solve their city's problems?

Although you are not as well-off as the billionaires, their companies give you jobs and raise your living standards far above these totalitarian regimes that oppress their citizens in every way while the rich feed off the backs of the poor in their exploitation. There is no synergism their. 
ok, so the people siphoning off the vast majority of the wealth let people have enough to stay alive (although in many cases they don't even do that), so we should just be super happy about that and continue to obey and serve them? That is a really shitty outlook on the world.
It takes money to create opportunities. You dry up that money and you will be another Venezuela where only the ruling class lives in luxury. Relatively speaking, your country is well off in comparison to most of the third world nations. It has a priceless commodity they the people of those countries seek - freedom!

Under the Democrat Party, they have given away your wealth, siphoning off and shutting down your factories and raped your economy with their massive senseless regulations. They have raised your taxes and want to do so in extraordinary ways in the future so that what you have now will quickly disappear. They want to open the floodgates to immigrants and give them health insurance, education, and other freebies at the taxpayer's expense. They want everyone to be equal (except themselves) and give you everything which will destroy creativity and reduce the incentive to work. Yet these crazies keep supporting their policies by re-electing them. States like NY and California are not good places to live anymore. San Fransico has a homeless problem. Open borders bring in drugs, sex trafficking, gangs, and those fleeing their own countries, some of which are the criminal element. You pay for that in many ways, including less secure cities. The Democrats do not work with the elected government for the betterment of your country. In everything they do, they oppose it and undermine it because they are so hungry for power that the people are forgotten about. They spin and lie and fabricate. They continually create social programs that fail. The crime rates in liberal, democrat-run cities spike. The poverty levels are bad. They promise everything and deliver no hope. They hate Trump because he has exposed their dirty dealings like no other. The Swamp has pulled out every measure to resist and subvert his agenda. He has done more than any president I'm aware of with 100 times the obstacles of any other president. That is the kind of person I would want as my leader. They call him racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, bigoted, hypocritically since they meet the bill twofold. I hope the American public is aware of the double standard and votes overwhelmingly to oust these Democrats from office. What have they done in the past four years that have been beneficial to your country? NOTHING. Are you going to reward them again?   
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Fascinating history you have. Unfortunately, the only remaining continent [other than Antarctica] to which I have never been is Africa and I regret never having been there, particularly Egypt, because I have fluency in Egyptian hieroglyphs. But Africa is a continent of such varied cultures, and culture is one thing I am in huge favor of celebrating, not denigrating. We humans have developed such diversity, it is a bloody shame we cannot ignore our minor physical differences in favor of what makes us so diverse. Our beauty is expressed in every country. I would think our creativity would be celebrated rather than trying to force our behavior into a singular style; one that robs us of our individuality. I think we are on very common ground, my friend.

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Taxes need to go up. Especially on the rich
You will not be satisfied until 100% of my increase is taxed. Sorry, my efforts are not intended to be in support of the likes of people too lazy to support themselves. That is what it is: lazy. Too lazy to be educated for a more secure future than min wage. Too lazy to be ambitious enough to invest in themselves and their furture. Too lazy to expect to be self-sufficient.
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Your problem, IMO, is that you do not appreciate what you have.
no, the problem in an economy that has been rigged to funnel as much money as possible to a tiny percentage of the population. I understand the US is more prosperous than other countries, but that doesn't mean it's economy isn't fundamentally flawed. 

 Many problems in much of your economy have been created and perpetuated by the Democrat Party.
the economic problems are caused by both parties. Both of them have almost identical fiscal policies. Basically, funnel as much money to the rich and corporations, then those corporations funnel some of that money back into the political campaigns of those politicians. 

It has a priceless commodity they the people of those countries seek - freedom!
no one is saying america shouldn't be free. But having a government run by, and for, the rich isn't freedom. It is tyranny.