Poker Mafia - DP1

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Official Vote Count

VTNL(4/6) - Press, bear, Supa, croc,
Supa (2/6) - oro, Disc,
Croc (1/6) - RM,

Not voting: warren, Speed, pie,

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I still have no idea what that is
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I am willing to ly ch oromagi croc or press, not Supa
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Oromagi is not trying at all this game, this is not his town meta
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Popcorning is when one person makes a claim, and then passes it onto another person. It's good because there's a great chance that at least one of the mafia would be selected somewhere in the beginning/middle of the popcorn chain, forcing them to make a fakeclaim without full knowledge of town's claims. 
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Popcorning is when one person makes a claim, and then passes it onto another person. It's good because there's a great chance that at least one of the mafia would be selected somewhere in the beginning/middle of the popcorn chain, forcing them to make a fakeclaim without full knowledge of town's claims. 
I disagree with popcorning. It’s better to focus on individuals we find scummy and then find corroborations, etc
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Oromagi is not trying at all this game, this is not his town meta
The only meta I have on RM so far is that he spends most of his energy insisting oromagi must be scum until he gets himself lynched.  In 13 reasons, he was scum & got himself lynched DP1.  In MCU villains he was town BP & got himself lynched DP1.  So, nothing alignment indicative  or insightful about the behavior, just some kind of irrational preoccupation.   Now he says my gameplay has changed while failing to remember that he's blocked me (again) and therefore can't receive  any direct replies to his oft repeated and invariable read on me.

I will note, however, that I am resolving my debate screw up yesterday (I accidentally published my list of reads as a closing agument) which means I'm having to compose a closing argument vs. a top ranked debater post-haste.  My attention will be focused there but I will try to keep up with proceedings.

I'm ok with revealing cards (in fact I think CC'ing cards is probably our best scum hunting weapon).

I'm still ok with VTL'ing Supa.  Honestly, I find Supa hard to read since he pretty consistently says something profoundly incriminating every game.  He'll say "I am ninja" then later  say "lol, I used the wrong word, I meant  to say I am cop" and when you lynch him he flips cop.  I'd say there only a 30% chance that he's scum but that's better than anybody else and if he is scum then we confirm two separate decks of cards (which makes CC'ing cards more likely and useful)

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oromagi                          JC Tran
TOWN
PressF4Respect           Doyle Brunson
ILikePie5                         Daniel Negraneau
Speedrace                     Phil Ivey
RationalMadman        Johnny Chan
warren42                        Chris Moneymaker
Crocodile                        Stu Ugnar
Discipulus_Didicit      Johnny Moss
BearMan                         Archie Karas
SupaDudz                      Phil Hellmuth
SCUM

UVC

VTNL(4/6) - Press, bear, Supa, croc,
Supa (2/6) - oro, Disc,
Croc (1/6) - RM,

Not voting: warren, Speed, pie,

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@oromagi
I don't think Supa is scum in the slightest, I'm actually very sure that he's town. He's been playing much better recently
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@Bullish
Time check please?
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@Speedrace
I don't think Supa is scum in the slightest, I'm actually very sure that he's town. He's been playing much better recently
Can you please elaborate on this?
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~20 hours remaining in the DP.
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All he's been doing is game analysis as well as some reads. He's been very chill as town recently and that's the way he is now
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@oromagi
Yea but the deck analysis doesn't make sense. It was already mod confirmed that there are two different list and roles. Disc is acting like I knew that and he didn't. It's shocking
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Yea but the deck analysis doesn't make sense. It was already mod confirmed that there are two different list and roles. Disc is acting like I knew that and he didn't. It's shocking
But mod said nothing about two different decks of cards.  OP says, "Cards are based on a 54 card deck with 2 WILD JOKERS."  We can't tell from that whether scum is working from the same 54 cards or a different deck.  That's important because if scum is working with the same deck, they don't have to worry about getting their cards CC'd, right.

In post #244 you say

"So none of the cards are the same in each deck? There different combos. Interesting"

Each deck.  More than one.  Which strongly suggests you know there are two decks, which only scum can know.


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@oromagi
Like I said, I meant cards. I'm talking about Disc's analysis. 
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@oromagi
That is a bs read. I did not push on you in the game where I was mafia. You scumtold like a motherfucker in the game where I was town and you were rude beyond belief.
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@oromagi
scum is working from the same deck, otherwise the entire point of this game mechanic is ruined and completely futile for town.
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please come and confirm that scum is using the same cards we are, same flop etc. 
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Like I said, I meant cards. I'm talking about Disc's analysis. 
Like I said,

"Ninja! no wait! Cop!"
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@oromagi
Like I said. It’s a dumb argument overall
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@oromagi
You’re making a bad read off a bad use of words on my part, when it’s obvious it’s a bad use of words

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@Vader
Ly ch him and I will leap on it for reasons both logical and emotional. I am not inciting an 'easy opportunistic lynch' I genuinely scumread him for exactly these reads. I  the past two games he never outed personality based reads, here he is. He was like a machine when he was town the past two games, now he's operating fluid with his reading system (poor reads but fluid in basis).
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If I get lynched and I turn town, oro and Disc should be considered scum. There unconventional ganging up on me is proof that they are making faulty reads on faulty overall logic. I'll take the blame for the misuse of words, but I've explained my meaning and it is true
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Unvote Crocodile
Vote Oromagi


I still scum read Croc

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VTL Oromagi
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I'm going to consider oro, Bear, and Disc. I will mull it out
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@Vader
Disc pushing on you is towny in a ways. He's pushing you to react and actively allowing you to engage him as you do react.
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In all ways*
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@RationalMadman
each player gets 2 HOLE CARDS

Cards are based on a 54 card deck with 2 WILD JOKERS

There will not be any duplicates of cards that are in play at any given time (unless someone cheats)