Why Do Evangelicals Follow Trump?

Okay, I'm new.  I'm not just new to this forum, but to this entire website.  In fact, I haven't been on an online forum for over 10 years.  So bear with me. 

I'm not trying to be rude or combative; I just really want to know.  I've heard the abortion argument.  But that is more of a republican argument.  I'm not asking why religious evangelicals support republicans.  I want to know why religiously-moral people support Trump specifically.  He has led a very immoral life.  There are the numerous sex scandals, the Trump charity that was shut down because of fraud (and the money he had to repay to a real charity of the court's choosing), the Trump university fiasco, his tax evasion, his Obama birther-ism hoax, etc., just to name a VERY FEW.   He also nicknames people based on the characteristics they most wish they could change about themselves, such as their weight the shape of their face (horse-face), their age, whether or not they stutter or are mentally disabled, etc . . . 

I know I will probably be slammed for this post and this topic.  But be gentle.  I am VERY NEW.  I honestly just don't get why religiously-moral people like Trump.

I was unaware the Pope condoned 1st trimester abortions.

"Is it licit to eliminate a human life to solve a problem?... Is it licit to hire a hitman to solve a problem?"

"It is not lawful. Never, ever eliminate a human life or hire a hitman to solve a problem,"

Biden was a "strict" catholic.  I said he was a "faithful" catholic.

And if religion didn't spend so much time...

They like Trump because they know what they are getting. Trump has many problems - so we are told by the media and the Democrats and by the swamp. He is a businessman not a politician. But he is a very savvy businessman. 

So a businessman has an incentive to be honest and to make others wealthy. 

Politicians are typically terrible businessmen. Politicians who have money - tend to have money from inheritance - left over from mummy and daddy. Their only interest is in trying to win votes so that they can stay in power. Trump - is not interested in votes.

Christians tend to vote for Trump because is Republican. Republican traditionally are conservative.

has there been a president who is fine with practically no limit abortions?  I believe Biden/Harris would make abortion the least restrictive of any administration right?  If that's true, and I believe it is then certainly would be affected by who is president wouldn't it?

Let's say Trump wins again and gets to appoint a supreme court justice or 2 and these laws are revisited then again that could be a huge affect.

I find late term abortions no matter the number far more objectionable to what Trump says and his past.  Deaths are permanent, he is not. 

Yes!  Trump's sins and cruelty seem bottomless.  I completely understand what you mean about abortions as well.  Without clinics, girls seem to use unsanitary and life-threatening back rooms or self-mutilation to take care of their problems.  Laws don't stop abortions, they just make them dangerous.  Without good alternatives, the child still dies, and now, so could the mother (who is probably a child herself). 

They like Trump because they know what they are getting. Trump has many problems - so we are told by the media and the Democrats and by the swamp. He is a businessman not a politician. But he is a very savvy businessman. 

The swamp?  Trump has had more aides and friends put in jail than any president in history.  He didn't drain the swamp, he made it bigger!

Savvy businessman?  He had 8 bankruptcies!

So a businessman has an incentive to be honest and to make others wealthy. 

Politicians are typically terrible businessmen. Politicians who have money - tend to have money from inheritance - left over from mummy and daddy. Their only interest is in trying to win votes so that they can stay in power. Trump - is not interested in votes.

Money from inheritance?  Are you kidding?  The only who got money from "mummy and daddy" is Trump.  They bailed him out of all of his bad business deals.

Not interested in votes?  Doesn't care about staying in power?  OMG!  That is ALL HE CARES ABOUT.  He has already said he thinks he should be President for Life!

Christians tend to vote for Trump because is Republican. Republican traditionally are conservative.

I think you are absolutely right here about Christians. 

But big government doesn't have to be like communism.  Government should always be only part socialistic.  Law and order is where this comes in the most.  But there is also the building of roads, foreign affairs and the military.   And for the things you cannot vote for (euthanasia, abortion, socialism), you have to include a little compassion in your worldview.  Long-term physical agony is a hard thing to endure, especially when you are all alone in the world.  Socialism is not a dirty word when it is partial and debated frequently among the People of the USA.  And young girls are raped and molested all the time, even impregnated by their fathers.  Again, compassion.

And second, we shouldn't treat them like "real" criminals, simply because they want a better life.

We came here as a serf class.

But I think there should be a clear path to it 

 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home.

Again, for the most part, THEY are not criminals.  Like everything else, some are, most are not (just like the police).  They are desperate.  The wait is so long.  They end up sneaking in.   This may not be right, but I can't imagine not living in the USA, so I don't understand their suffering really.   And DACA are mostly adults, who came in as children, and have been living here their whole lives!  They are probably more American than anyone; they know suffering; they know compassion; they know hard work; they know the Constitution!  Law is critically important, but so is compassionate inclusion.

And I'm not sure if I should dignify your "rule of law" slam or your racial suggestion that I am more suited for Latin America or an African country.  I think you make yourself look bad enough all on your own with that one.

It doesn't matter how long they have been living here. They don't belong here.

Legally correct. Morally reprehensible

Those people would not be here if not for the facilitation of open borders.

It's morally wrong to harm poor Americans as 2015 Bernie Sanders stated.

 I think in the context of DACA, Bernie has a rather different opinion.

It's especially hard to figure out what Bernie believes today as the Democrat party has shifted noticeably toward a Marxist paradigm.

All of those opinions were 2015.

Assuming you're talking about DACA recipients, then yes. Destroying someone's life who is for all intents and purposes an American on a technicality that they could not control is morally reprehensible.

I don't believe in awarding criminal behavior in any fashion. They should have been deported immediately, years ago. The fact that immigration authorities didn't do their job well doesn't give those criminals a free pass.

You see, the conversation is always "what about the poor DACA people (criminals)" and never "what is best for actual Americans".

They aren't having their lives destroyed. Having years of education in a first-world nation will prepare them to be a lot more successful in their home countries than they otherwise would have been.

I don't believe in awarding criminal behavior in any fashion. They should have been deported immediately, years ago. The fact that immigration authorities didn't do their job well doesn't give those criminals a free pass.

I know. What a strange thing to talk about DACA in a conversation about DACA instead of veering off into unrelated conversation

No, they are having their lives destroyed. You're just attempting to justify and minimise it. The fact is, getting bundled off to a foreign country where you don't understand the culture and language and where you don't have your friends, work connections, family or job is tantamount to having your life destroyed short of literally getting executed.

I agree. They should've along with their parents. However I do not address what should have been but what is. It is morally reprehensible to destroy the lives of those who are basically Americans when they've personally done nothing wrong.

Oh yes. My bad. Choosing what to do with them based on what is best for Americans is tooootally unrelated.......

I doubt most of them speak English better than their home language. Having marketable skills and knowledge of English will get you a great job, considering America and other European countries that speak English do a lot of business abroad.

Don’t care. There can be a debate about if it is beneficial that they stay here. But if they are a net negative to real Americans, they should be deported immediately. A nation’s job is to take care of ITS citizens, not a bunch of foreign national criminals.

Well I'm certainly glad you agree it's morally reprehensible.

Biden was a "strict" catholic.  I said he was a "faithful" catholic.

I was unaware there was a difference.

Each person has their own moral code.

You would have wanted to snuff her life out for what you call compassion. I hate your compassion. It disgusts me. It makes me want to vomit - because it is not really compassion - it is cruel and evil and on the same level as the original rape. In fact it is probably worse - because it is being couched in words of niceness. 

Absolutely a savvy businessman.  8 bankruptcies demonstrate the truth of that.  Anyone can lose money  - in fact most do. Not many can regain their wealth. Real Wealth people don't love money. They can lose all of their money and not care too much about it. This is why they succeed. Because unlike socialists - they see money as a tool, not as an end in itself. 

With great respect - you do know you have just contradicted yourself? LOL! If Trump got a whole lot of money from mummy and daddy, so what? After all, even as you just said, he bankrupted himself 8 times.  Saying his family has bailed him out - is not an inheritance.  They are not going to bail him out - unless there is something in it for them.  

Socialism is a dirty word. IT is a word of hate and evil.  It has never been partial because it removes and destroys the rights of the people.

I think Trump should respect congressional subpoenas,

So you are saying Trump isn't allowed to follow the rule of law and ask the Courts for a decision?

The poem on the statue of liberty was written at a time in American history where people seeking citizenship had to prove they could take care of themselves, or go back where they came from.