Teach a Debater how to economic

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  • Theweakeredge
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    So, I'm super new to debating anything purely economically related. If you guys could give advice on general rules for debating it, resources to get started (Or visit my forum topic: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4966-resources-materials and leave it there) learning economics more in depth, some good debates to get a framework, stuff like that. 

    I'm here to learn, hit me with your best shot.
  • Dr.Franklin
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    same, i never debate economics
  • Intelligence_06
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    Search statistics, copy paste, profit.

  • fauxlaw
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    --> @Intelligence_06
    You know what I'm going to say: Begin with, just to see further sourcing, but avoid using Wiki as a direct source, regardless of debate subject, unless your subject is: Resolved: Wiki is unreliable sourcing by its own admission.

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  • Sum1hugme
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    --> @Theweakeredge
    When it comes to economics you're going to run into two major forms of economists: The laissez-faire economist, (i.e. Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard) who will become more "economic philosophers" the more free market they advocate; And the keynesian economist, who, because of the history of government intervention in the economy, has a considerable amount of data for their theories. 

    But remember that the left to right divide is a spectrum of government intervention in the market, and everyone is going to have different ideas about particulars. 
  • seldiora
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    --> @Theweakeredge
    from my experience (https://www.debateart.com/debates/2535-on-balance-minimum-wage-should-be-raised-to-at-least-15dollar-hour-in-us) it's kind related to the politics and implementation and impacts just like any other law. It's just that now we talk about the welfare of people in poverty instead of morality. For example, I pointed out that min wage people don't have enough money, that raised min wage improves health, and that the market benefits are resulted from raising the min wage. My opponent used stronger statistics over a longer period of time to get me to concede that there was negligible or even negative correlation with raising min wage, to having the market. You can also still use basic freedoms like liberty or right to the market to resolve the economic theory.

    If you want we could practice some economic topic, like Capitalism vs Socialism or Min wage again. Planning budget vs policy is pretty similar tbh
  • Undefeatable
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    --> @Theweakeredge
    Seldiora isn't too off the mark. If you look at My Central Bank debate, even though the Pro side has a lot of flaws I stressed the big problems with central banks to push for the ban. I spoke of the past mistakes, and extended it to developing countries. I talked about how much power central banks have and the abuse with corruption, negating the ideals of democracy. Finally, I noted the inequality existing in US that is inherently pushed forward by Central Banks. This should be a good start to researching topics. You think about the why, you think about the how, and you think about the connections to debate the economic policy.
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    Don't listen to any of these people. Economic debates are good, but they become incredibly boring when you just argue statistics and basic utilitarian harms or benefits all day long. 

    Good economic arguments are based on moral and theoretical concepts. Think Nozick, Rawls, Marx, Kropotkin, . These arguments are founded on notions of what is just and how our ethical principles should guide economic structures.
  • Theweakeredge
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    I'll take that into consideration, thank you!

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    this is probably a necro, but what do u think about economic debates?
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    Good ones tend to be focused on what effects harms and benefits to various sectors have and why that matters, mediocre ones tend to focus on numbers and whose are the biggest. I like them generally because they usually have pretty concrete impacts, though the good ones often go over my head. Mainly, people just need to make sure that they’re focused on why an economic impact matters, which is too often ignored.

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    I recommend the books The Armchair Economist by Steven Landsburg (microeconomics), The Undercover Economist Strikes Back by Tim Harford (macroeconomics), and Naked Statistics by Charles Wheelan (statistics). These three books are a good starting point to understand some central principles of theoretical and applied economics. After that, I also suggest regularly reading good blogs about economics, such as Marginal Revolution (everything) and The Money Illusion (principally macroeconomics and monetary policy). The CrashCourse Economics video series is also pretty entertaining. 

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    If you want to learn how to debate economically without using stats - go and read some Peter Bauer. He has an amazing approach and quite easy to read. And even when you disagree with him - it makes you consider your position much more closely.