Why does anyone wants to be an anarchist?

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Let’s say the government is fine, then why seek “freedom” if nothing is supporting you?

If the government is corrupt, then I think you want people to govern itself, in this case, is it still an “anarchy”?

There is no authority to suppress them in anarchy but there is also nothing to support them. Every man for himself. In an anarchy one could get assaulted, murdered, raided, etc. Why would anything want that? More than that, why do some “anarchists” support something that isn’t even anarchy?

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For them, calling themselves an anarchist when they are a centre liberal is comparable of calling someone a commie when they are a neo-nazi just because it is "National Socialism".

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@Intelligence_06

I think the strongest argument for anarchism is.

1. Initiating force against someone who is not initiating force against you is unethical.

2. governments existence is based on the seizing of private property by force which is initiating force against someone who's not initiating force against the government the first place.

3. Therefore, government's existence is unethical

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When college kids learn about the non-aggression principle for the first time they get excited. After awhile they come to the realization that the concept of an anarchist society is a bit misguided, and a totally laissez faire approach like anarcho-capitalism isn't really even possible.

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@Sum1hugme

Well this man must not like communism then. Nevertheless, if the union initiates that everyone owns their own things, then it is laissez-faire economy or something, and even then, regulation exists to be libertarian(right), not anarchist. Libs aren’t anarchists.

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@Danielle

Well when I got into politics I describe myself as an “ancap”. An ancap society is not impossible, but wouldn’t need to exist as the regulation is hard and soon the corporations will be willing to steal your information, making it a non-anarchist society. A true “ancap” society after years will be authoritarian capitalism.

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@Intelligence_06

Libertarianism is just a pole on the compass and at the very bottom you reach anarchism. Capitalism versus socialism an economic matters pulls one to the right and to the left respectively.

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@Sum1hugme

Weirdly, Jorgensen’s libertarianism is libright.

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@Intelligence_06

A true “ancap” society after years will be authoritarian capitalism.

I think so too. It gets tricky when it comes to law enforcement. An-caps assume that everyone in society magically agrees with their definition of capitalism. There's also the problem that even libertarians inherently disagree on certain subjects. For instance, how would abortion be handled in an-cap societies? Half the population might believe fetuses have rights, and the other half might not. You need an arbiter.

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@Danielle

A more extreme version would be fordism where humans are controlled by this one corporation providing everything but that is nothing practical either. If the proletariat hero can rule the state like the bourgeois used to have, then corporations can just BE the governmental force until something else outbreaks, further, further, loops.

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@Intelligence_06

Yeah. Andrew Yang did a good job of explaining some of those concerns too. I g2g back to work for now but can expand later.

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@Intelligence_06

Yeah there are gradations of libertarianism

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@Intelligence_06

Let’s say the government is fine, then why seek “freedom” if nothing is supporting you?

How is the government "fine"?

If the government is corrupt, then I think you want people to govern itself, in this case, is it still an “anarchy”?

Yes. Anarchy is the opposition to a State, i.e. centralized government.

There is no authority to suppress them in anarchy but there is also nothing to support them.

Too many ambiguous references. Let me ask: would you murder in the absence of law? How about rape a child?

Every man for himself.

If he chooses...

In an anarchy one could get assaulted, murdered, raided, etc.

In the dominion of government, people get assaulted, murdered, raided, etc. Government doesn't offer a solution to that.

Why would anything want that?

Why would anyone want to be assaulted, murdered, or raided? Low self-esteem, perhaps? But that has nothing to do with anarchy.

More than that, why do some “anarchists” support something that isn’t even anarchy?

You haven't yet demonstrated an understanding of anarchy.

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@RationalMadman

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Thanks for bringing this to the attention of this forum's resident anarchist.

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@Danielle

Are you an atheist too?

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@Danielle

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Do you believe rights come from government?

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If we were to live in an Utopian society, I believe the market would transition and shift to a full lassiez fair style

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@Danielle

Do you believe rights come from government?

No.

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Where do rights come from?

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@Danielle

Where do rights come from?

Rights are moral concepts. So they come from an analysis of the human condition. The subjective prescriptions for that which "ought" or "ought not" be.

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Rights are moral concepts. So they come from an analysis of the human condition. The subjective prescriptions for that which "ought" or "ought not" be.

There are innumerable interpretations of rights stemming from human analysis. Do you believe only one of those analyses is correct?

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