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But impeachment doesn't prevent Trump's arrest. That also should happen. 
To most rich and powerful people, "the law" is simply a game.

It's merely a façade of "justice" that thinly veils a convenient bludgeon for the oppression of the poor and the helpless.
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this has nothing to do with fraud.
This is the very definition of "election rigging".
so you are arguing fraud happened. You link something that has absolutely nothing to do with fraud. And your response essentially just confirms that you understand it has nothing to do with fraud. So why did you bring it up in a discussion about fraud?

All electronic voting systems are extremely vulnerable to undetectable fraud.
ahh yes, the best friend of the insane conspiracy theorist is the fraud that there is no evidence for and cannot be evidence for. Your argument boils down to:

1) you don't like the results
2) you choose to believe the results are fake even though there is absolutely ZERO evidence that there was any significant fraud. 
3) you make up excuses about why the results are fake and the evidence is just invisible. 

If the results had been faked, then why the hell would republicans have won down ballot? There are lots of places where trump lost and other republicans won. It would have been so much easier and better for the democrats if the down ballot races went to democrats. The reason is that people wanted trump gone. 
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this has nothing to do with fraud.
This is the very definition of "election rigging".
so you are arguing fraud happened. You link something that has absolutely nothing to do with fraud. And your response essentially just confirms that you understand it has nothing to do with fraud. So why did you bring it up in a discussion about fraud?
What do you think CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA is about?

No.  I'm not claiming a specific "fraud" in 2020.  I'm merely pointing out how reasonable it is to LACK FAITH IN THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
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No.  I'm not claiming a specific "fraud" in 2020. 
That, right there. That is the core of the idiocy of the republicans these days. They are not claiming a specific fraud. They have nothing. no evidence that anything significant went wrong. This has been one of the most scrutinized elections in history and no one can come up with any kind of fraud. 

But right wing loons continue to tell anyone and everyone they can that fraud was rampant, they just can't show you any evidence of it because..... reasons. But you should totally take their word for it....

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All electronic voting systems are extremely vulnerable to undetectable fraud.
ahh yes, the best friend of the insane conspiracy theorist is the fraud that there is no evidence for and cannot be evidence for. Your argument boils down to:
ahh yes, the best friend of the loyal authoritarian sycophant is the idea that an opaque system is trustworthy in spite of systemic design flaws.

1) you don't like the results
I'm ecstatic about "the results".

2) you choose to believe the results are fake even though there is absolutely ZERO evidence that there was any significant fraud. 
The entire system is demonstrably rigged.

Have you ever heard of gerrymandering?

Have you ever heard of CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA?

Are you familiar with the "social experiments" that facebook ran?

3) you make up excuses about why the results are fake and the evidence is just invisible. 
The system itself is demonstrably broken from top to bottom.

If the results had been faked, then why the hell would republicans have won down ballot? There are lots of places where trump lost and other republicans won. It would have been so much easier and better for the democrats if the down ballot races went to democrats. The reason is that people wanted trump gone. 
It's really cute that some people still believe in a "two party system".

REPUBLICRATS AND DEMOBLICANS WANT EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

TRUMP IS SIMPLY A MAD DOG THAT OUR CORPORATE MASTERS WANTED TO REMOVE.
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That, right there. That is the core of the idiocy of the republicans these days. They are not claiming a specific fraud. They have nothing. no evidence that anything significant went wrong. This has been one of the most scrutinized elections in history and no one can come up with any kind of fraud. 

But right wing loons continue to tell anyone and everyone they can that fraud was rampant, they just can't show you any evidence of it because..... reasons. But you should totally take their word for it....
I'm merely pointing out how reasonable it is to LACK FAITH IN THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.

AND, I'VE NEVER VOTED FOR A REPUBLICAN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
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I'm merely pointing out how reasonable it is to LACK FAITH IN THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
so let me get this straight. There is no evidence that anything went wrong with the election. But we should believe that things went wrong with the election? We should just fear and spread conspiracies based on absolutely nothing?

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The system itself is demonstrably broken from top to bottom.
you've veered wildly away from what this topic is about. It is about the riots in the capitol and trump's part in that. This topic relates to trump's lies about the election so I was going to discuss those. But you are now jumping to random other things that have nothing to do with the topic, so i'm going to stop responding to those. 
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There is no evidence that anything went wrong with the election.
It took over 2 years of investigating Russia for Authority to claim with evidence that Democracy was safe.

They now have 4 years to investigate election procedures and finally claim with evidence that Democracy is safe.

You just need to trust Authority a little harder comrade.

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I'm merely pointing out how reasonable it is to LACK FAITH IN THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
so let me get this straight. There is no evidence that anything went wrong with the election. But we should believe that things went wrong with the election? We should just fear and spread conspiracies based on absolutely nothing?
so let me get this straight. There is no way of independently auditing any of the vote counts.  But we should just have faith and believe that things were 100% on the level? We should just trust our elected officials to properly and fairly handle their OWN elections?

Do you understand how gerrymandering works?

Do you know why polling stations in poor areas are much more likely to be closed and or moved on short notice?

Are you familiar with voter-id laws?
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The system itself is demonstrably broken from top to bottom.
you've veered wildly away from what this topic is about. It is about the riots in the capitol and trump's part in that. This topic relates to trump's lies about the election so I was going to discuss those. But you are now jumping to random other things that have nothing to do with the topic, so i'm going to stop responding to those. 
You're the one who questioned me SPECIFICALLY about the general LACK OF FAITH in the election system.

I'm just following your lead sweetheart.
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You're the one who questioned me SPECIFICALLY about the general LACK OF FAITH in the election system.
that isn't true. You said it was because of lack of faith. I responded specifically referring to the fraud claims trump was making. You then went on your tangent about unrelated stuff. 

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Nonsense. 

Typical Left leaning over the top rhetoric that has been sustained since before Trump was even elected and formally sworn in. 

The accusations have never stopped in his entire time as president. Even before he was formally sworn in as president the Democrats were calling his impeachment. 

And if you cannot remember the protests and riots at that time, then your memory is intentionally selective. 

How many people were crying in the streets even before he was formally sworn in - many decrying him, even moving to go to Canada? 

The lies from the beginning about Russian involvement proved to be lies. 

The lies about him intending to grant himself immunity - intended only to besmirch the president. That he never formally denied he would do it is a no brainer. Why would any person accused of such nonsense going to deny it? And to be perfectly candid, what law has he actually broken? 

To suggest he incited the mob going to the Hill is nonsense.  Trump - always was going to fight all the way. And good on him I say. 

Fighting all the way to court is a sign of a healthy democracy.  It is not a sign of trying to destabilize it.  Hilary could never admit that she was beaten by Donald Trump.  Why would it surprise anyone that Trump might feel the same way about Biden? 

BTW - I think the votes in this election did not have a win for Biden so much as a loss for Trump.  He lost. More people hated him than like Biden.   

I have never been a fan of Trump. Although I did like his last Supreme Court pick. She is a brilliant lawyer and the Supreme Court is much better and brighter for her being on it.  I cannot say I am fan of Cavanagh - but I always thought it was going to be hard for a white male to get a Guernsey. 

Trump's policies in relation to employment for the African Americans is win for the Black community.  His policies in respect of the Middle East was long sighted. Trump as a politician - because he was first and foremost a businessman - was one of the best things that have happened to America in a long time.   He did not just suck it up like Obama did. Or Bush did. Or Clinton did.  This struck a nerve for countries all around the world.  A president not being a politician.  Wonderful and it will be sad to see the end of. 

Trump of course was a terrible economist.  And I  say that because he was a Keynesian - not because he did not understand it.  He was essentially a socialist in his economic policies and moreover in most of his government policies.  When he stopped playing politician and went back to being a businessman - was when he was at his best.  When he stuck it to China - China blinked.  This however now is a thing of the past. 

I don't think Biden will be any more than a puppet.  He really is too old.  He was much more clear when he was younger.  Now it really is a scary thing to think that he has finger on the trigger.  I have to say - that I now find the world a heck of a lot more scarier.  Trump exposed America to the world as it was.  Biden might last 18 months. 


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It took over 2 years of investigating Russia for Authority to claim with evidence that Democracy was safe.

They now have 4 years to investigate election procedures and finally claim with evidence that Democracy is safe.

You just need to trust Authority a little harder comrade.
Trump’s numerous objections to the election were considered and rejected by the states, federal courts and congress. It’s time to move on.
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HB....Trump should be impeached for this.

GP....I hope he is too. The people need to be taught a lesson here. When you decide to invade the capitol building, the result will be a 2-year Congressional impeachment of an ex-president.
GP { orange parrot } I give you a 1 out of 5 rating for finally placing your Trumpet associated ego to the side. However, since you know impeachment is most likely not going to happen, you need to state the truth of consequence's that should befall Trumpet, his son and Rudy, they should be jailed for their immoral criminal actions .

Your ego has supported and encouraged Trumpets immoral lies for four years and enough is enough. Trumpet has been purporting a false narrative set of lies that have incited/inflamed the kinds of people who attacked the capital and I dont believe you have acknowledged this truth and fact.

GP....People need to trust authority again.
GP, that should have began with you and your ilk trusting the most secure USA election in USA history. Most places had a paper ballot to verify the electronic vote.  There is no evidence to invalidate these truths and facts.

HB.....I hope McConnel lets it happen. 
GP....He got fired. Don't you read the news?
GP, that is false.  To be fired McConnel would have lost his senate election last time around.  The individual motivations of the people to vote in Biden is not clearly expressed and known. 

Authority is in charge now.
Trumpet has been the leading USA authority and you and your ilk have supported all of the many case of psychotic, narrcistic, racist, bigoted and inciting lies for four years if not longer.  And for four years I believe your and your ilk should also have been jailed for such immoral behaviour that pinnacle this past week with the attack on USA's capital.

All of Trumpest roads leads to Putin, irrespective of whether whats his name could find crimminal actions. There were crimminal actions by some and they were charged, jailed and given asylum{?} by immoral Trumpets immoral actions.

How much time you and your kind should spend in jail is debateble. There needs to be consequences for your types repeated immoral actions over last four years that have only incited and inflamed a false narrative that encouraged the attack on USA capital and death of 5 or more persons. Sad :--(  on your part and others for these past four years. Truly sick. :--( in the head.

Ego is the biggest danger to humanity. Trumpet  should go to jail NOW!


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It’s time to move on.
Time and change "moves on" irrespective of all else.  What ever person in USA and world should be saying is;

Trumpet his son and Rudy should be jailed now! Anything else is a lack of truth and moral considerations for all of humanity.

This is serious business that has been glossed over for four years  and enough is enough should have been the motto for all four years ago with Trumpets first lies regarding how many people were at his inaugaration.  The lies and falsehoods and false narrative only kept occuring day after day after day.

All who have immmorally supported Trumpet immoral nonsense should be also face the consequences of their immoral actions, by jail time, to whatever degree is fair and just.


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that isn't true. You said it was because of lack of faith. I responded specifically referring to the fraud claims trump was making. You then went on your tangent about unrelated stuff. 
AND I NEVER MENTIONED FRAUD CLAIMS.
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And if you cannot remember the protests and riots at that time, then your memory is intentionally selective. 
Yep.
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Trumpet his son and Rudy should be jailed
I don’t really disagree that the interests of justice would be served by doing that. Honestly I think jail isn’t enough. Trump should be put to death for treason.

But there are other things to consider than justice. Punishing Trump would further divide the nation, and Trump’s most extreme supporters may seek retribution. I’m not convinced that justice is important enough to outweigh the costs and risks.
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Trump should be put to death for treason.
I'm not for capital death penalty. Tho I'm not sure why its called 'capital'.

......'And and eye for and eye leaves the whole world blind'....  Mahatma Ghandi

Just saw this on CNN, ..' the man has access to nuclear codes, but he is not allowed to have a twitter account'..

There is only one statement we need to hear from all of these Trumpet tooters,....jail him NOW!...Jail him NOW!...jail him NOW!....


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that isn't true. You said it was because of lack of faith. I responded specifically referring to the fraud claims trump was making. You then went on your tangent about unrelated stuff. 
AND I NEVER MENTIONED FRAUD CLAIMS.
this topic is about the insurrection at the capitol and whether trump should be punished for it. That relates to trump's fraud claims. It does not relate to whatever other crap you feel like brining up.
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this topic is about the insurrection at the capitol and whether trump should be punished for it. That relates to trump's fraud claims. It does not relate to whatever other crap you feel like brining up.
the question is, WHY DID THE TRUPPIES STORM THE CASTLE?

the answer is, BECAUSE THEY LACK FAITH IN THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.
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I’m not convinced that justice is important enough to outweigh the costs and risks.
We certainly wouldn't want JUSTICE to be INCONVENIENT.
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......'And and eye for and eye leaves the whole world blind'....  Mahatma Ghandi
That's pretty much my reasoning as to why we're better off just letting him go.

We certainly wouldn't want JUSTICE to be INCONVENIENT.
The costs and risk I mentioned were more than a mere inconvenience. Consider them and consider whether or not it's worth it.
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Maybe Trump could be locked in a bunker with Melania?
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That's pretty much my reasoning as to why we're better off just letting him go.
You said the extreme opposite in post #80 and I replied accordingly. Your jumping from one extremme to another. This is typical of people unclear as to whether call me a genius or crazy.  These people having trouble with the moderation of their intellectual  ability, in regards to ebucs ideas, scenarios etc.

Jailing him is not and eye for eye scenario.  Jailing is about consequences of his and others actions that require justice, fairness, forgiveness , compassion and above all truth!

Forgiveness and compassion means not a death penalty as you  stated. 
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Maybe Trump could be locked in a bunker with Melania?
What the heck did SHE DO??
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You said the extreme opposite in post #80 and I replied accordingly. Your jumping from one extremme to another. This is typical of people unclear as to whether call me a genius or crazy.  These people having trouble with the moderation of their intellectual  ability, in regards to ebucs ideas, scenarios etc.

Jailing him is not and eye for eye scenario.  Jailing is about consequences of his and others actions that require justice, fairness, forgiveness , compassion and above all truth!

Forgiveness and compassion means not a death penalty as you  stated. 
K. I'll simplify it for you. If you send Trump to jail, there will be a big risk of big and bad consequences. So don't do it. It's not worth it. That's my reasoning.
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The costs and risk I mentioned were more than a mere inconvenience. Consider them and consider whether or not it's worth it.
I don't know how you personally choose to define JUSTICE.

And I don't know how you personally choose to define COSTS & RISKS.

All I'm trying to say is that if you like to claim "justice is blind" and "everyone is equal under the law" and all that jazz, you can't just CHANGE THE RULES when they seem INCONVENIENT.

DO YOU KNOW WHY NO BANK CEO'S WERE PROSECUTED FOR THEIR KNOWN CRIMES IN THE HOUSING BUBBLE CRISIS?

BECAUSE THE US ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, "IT WOULD CAUSE TO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE ECONOMY".

THE ONLY FUNCTION OF THE LAW IS TO PROTECT THE RICH & POWERFUL.