United States House of Representatives Mafia DP2

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@Bullish

How he said his role works today is what it says on the wiki. So he's not lying right now. I think he can be careless both as town and scum but more likely town.

Whats your top scum read right now? Thoughts on speed? He was early on the whiteflame lynch but he didn't have the most substance for it either.

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@Bullish

Pie says it works like the wiki description. investigator gets a failed action and I get to see who and what role. I dont know if my role can be confirmable, but it's unlikely mafia will investigate me, so my role is practically useless.

I don't mind dying since my role isn't much utility for town.

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@Bullish

Basically if x investigates you i get a message that says x investigated you.

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@Bullish

Plus pretty sure WF had a investigate thinghy from his fish ability, which means I am doubly useless for town

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@Greyparrot

Plus pretty sure WF had a investigate thinghy from his fish ability, which means I am doubly useless for town

How do you know that?

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@Greyparrot

That's a pretty scummy role since it has high scum utility if the cop investigates the electrician.

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@Lunatic

Well why else would pie pick electrician for town?

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@Greyparrot

Well why else would pie pick electrician for town?

It's just interesting you jumped to the conclusion it was whiteflame, rather than another scum.

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@Greyparrot

I don't mind dying since my role isn't much utility for town.

If your town, dying might even be more pro-town in your case. If anyone claims an investigator ability and you flipped town, they would be sus.

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@Greyparrot

I misread the pm and then was copy-pasting the justification and missed what you said before

You copied and pasted the justification, not paraphrased it? You mean in this post?

Also when did you realize it was about investigators and not visitors?

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@Lunatic

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Pie is all about policy lynches right? Grey is even more negative utility than a miller, cause if cop investigates grey, not only would they get no result, they risk revealing their identity to the mafia. I'm down to lynch grey.

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@Greyparrot

Yeah but what about the justification copy/pasta part?

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@Bullish

That's a pretty scummy role since it has high scum utility if the cop investigates the electrician.

Yah I know, i wasn't sure if I should reveal role thinking I could catch a scum but then I realized I was going to die anyway if a town cop investigated me.

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@Lunatic

I always copy-paste then edit in the box. I'm a very slow typer

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@Bullish

Pie is all about policy lynches right? Grey is even more negative utility than a miller, cause if cop investigates grey, not only would they get no result, they risk revealing their identity to the mafia. I'm down to lynch grey.

i mean, at this point, i'll bet the cop knows to not investigate grey

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Grey's claim Hal Rogers is the 2nd most senior rep, after Don Young, who flipped scum. Senior vs junior split is possible.

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@Bullish

Only negative utility town roles frmo pies recent games are your standard millers and hated townies. Role like messenger and visitor were used in some recent games, but those aren't inherently generally viewed as scum roles either, and usually either scum/town type roles. Unless I am mis-remembering this is probably the first time ever he would have put a generally scum aligned role on town. At least in the DART games I've played of his.

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VTL Grey

I have 1 more theory on who might be scum, but if we will focus on grey today, then I'd rather reveal that theory next DP.

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@Lunatic

It's early enough that I don't think killing me is going to hurt town and you can get some analysis at the end flip.

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@Vader

I'd like confirmation of your existence and lack of results before we hammer grey. I'd hate to hammer quickly if you had implicating evidence about another player that we didn't get to utilize, and you end up dying or something in the night.

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Vote Count:

Greyparrot (2/5) - Speed, Bullish

Warren (1/5) - Greyparrot

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This is WIFOM argument, but the times I remember grey as scum, I don't think he just rolls over and quits when scum. In recycled roles mafia, he was copped guilty and still tried making the argument he was framed. In Dark Crystal he argued his lynch into LYLO and won against supa.

Anytime he has been town and mislynched, he's shared the same sentiment as he is here: a willingness to die for the greater good. That said, times changes and people change. His flip is town could still be useful info.

I might suggest we milk the day phase instead of just lynching grey outright. Maybe get the rest of the claims. It's going to be pretty predictable one of me or drafter will likely die tonight, or one of the other town reads so the POE won't help a ton other than crossing off grey parrot. Also if mafia do have the investigative role, it might be useful to figure out who that is by pushing the rest of the claims today. if grey dies and flips town, we know who investigators are for next phase, that way we do have some POE info to work with.

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