Should we defund the police?

Did the general electorate of Minneapolis elect this guy?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/06/23/police-union-leader-minneapolis-cops-scapegoated-for-incompetent-leadership

George Floyd most likely did not.

Conflation is the worst justification for intellectual laziness.

Your fallacy is "refusal to answer a yes or no question."

And please spare me the predictable postmodernist bullshit that there are no absolutes therefore there are no yes or no answers.

Your logical fallacy is: FALSE DICHOTOMY

• They can lobby legislature in an undemocratic way
  
• They will often disregard public interest for self-gain
  
• The things that unions are built for are already covered by employee benefits
  

Wooo boy, this one is fun to talk about, I'll just list 'em all first: Atheist, anti-theist, Progressive (Social Democrat), mostly pro democrat (kinda), BLM supporter, Pro-LGBTQI+, between compatibilist and determinist, pro-choice, soft ethical vegan, and subjective moralist. I could go on and on, but those are my primary positions about things. One thing to immediately get out of the way: By anti-theist I mean I would not want a god to exist - please check out my anti-theist AMA for more info there.

I'm an atheist because I do not find sufficient reason to believe in a god, and actually find evidence contradicting such a being's existence. This was what got me into debating, and though it isn't what I primarily debate anymore - the topic will always have a place in my heart because it literally lead me to debating. The anti-theist thing is easy - any being with infinite power is most likely to be corrupted infinitely - and if a god did exist that would at least explain the existing affairs on Earth.

I am a progressive/social democrat because that's what I want - progress. Where people aren't required to pay for things that are required to live. It might sound a tad idealistic; however, free healthcare is already a thing in a lot of first world countries today - I believe that the purpose of society is to PROGRESS to the point to where people don't have to suffer to attain the things they need to literally survive, where everybody gets the same opportunity, and we are faaar away from that goal.

Of course, I'm Pro_BLM, I feel like you guys (assuming people actually read this) were guessing I would go here - White people are more likely to be armed than black people, and are more likely to use their guns in "self-defence" - white people do relatively more crime, yet black people are killed at THREE times the rate white people are by police violence. That isn't to say I even like police, I am also for Defund the police, check out the topic I have on it to see more elaborated views.

Though because I like YouTube videos, Jocko Willink has the best perspective on why defunding the police is a bad idea that I've seen yet.  I don't see the point in repeating things others have said.   If we want to talk about police reform, there's a meaningful conversation to be had there; but that's a very different question than whether we should "defund" the police.  A good starting point on police reform would begin, on the left, with Malcolm Gladwell.  And that would require dispensing with a lot of the standard narrative talking points that do not address the substance of the issues that police brutality implicates.  

In my experience, the majority of the kids that want to talk about police reform do not actually care about reforming the police, however.  Instead, they want to make arguments like "cops are racist and therefore should be defunded," or "the police are so bad that they cannot be reformed, and instead must be abolished."  In the same instance, they also want to blame all bad things that happen to black people on external factors and ignore any potential internal causes; while attributing all good things that happen to black people to internal characteristics, while ignoring external causes.  

But the problems with defining "blackness" as such.  The concept of "black" identity is a figment of white liberals' imagination, just like the supposed external reasons why bad things happen to black people on the basis of their race (white privilege, institutional racism and the like).   In this way, white liberals use black people as their political puppets while cloaking themselves in a moral superiority that can only be obtained from virtue signaling.  It is perfectly acceptable for them to "paint" with that that broadest of brushes when defining blacks into the servient political position of perpetual victimhood; yet an atrocity to speak of trends in criminology of which we are all aware in statistically accurate terms.  Thus, progress is never made yet in the same instance they create the fiction of movement towards it.  

So if you expect me to take seriously any potential argument you have on "defunding the police," don't hold your breath.  It's too stupid to even merit serious consideration. 

A perfect example of what Jordan Peterson would typify as a "resentful" person, incapable of any lasting happiness.

Now - had you your own argument to use - perhaps you'd be getting a more polite me - you threw that opportunity away whenever you decided to try to lecture me about identity politics ya prick.

He just comes across to me as very opinionated, but he doesn't know what he is talking about.  Which is typical, I guess.  I was pretty opinionated and didn't have any idea what I was talking about at 14 too.

Oh so you aren't a fan of substantiation? Should 'ave guessed shouldn't I have? You don't want to actually face the big racist liberal, so you hide behind god - fitting that is