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@secularmerlin
Well yes, thats the point. If you are alive you have this goal, and therefore any moral premise-based off of it is adhering to Hume's Guillotine, which was my entire point.
I would agree, however, the insistence on the same rebuttal - whenever I have repeatedly explained the problem with it gets frustrating.
Only (adult autonomous) living humans with the goal of survival survive therefore any living human (who is adult and has autonomy) is going to have this goal.
And damned if there isn't another implied ought at the end. This table won't hold any ought that come from any is. Back to the drawing board.
THE "IS" = HUMAN SURVIVAL INSTINCT + HUMAN SOCIAL INSTINCT
Wrong - you have an is and ought, from which you derive another ought.
I am saying that your current syllogism was a non-sequitur, you had to add another premise which was an ought for it to not be.
THE "IS" = HUMAN SURVIVAL INSTINCT + HUMAN SOCIAL INSTINCTOr in other words enough living humans = some moral code/social contract. I think this might still just be an is from an is. It really is a hard concept to get around.
Furthermore, I am very tired of your trolling, either get serious or that's it, I've already declared my intentions in this regard once, this is the last time I'll do so.
No you are arguing that we are alive, I am saying, "Yes, yes we are, however, that does not inform whether we ought to be so"
I don't think it's necessary whenever we are discussing a single statement, and we have been discussing for posts on end, I do not feel you are being honest with your uncertainty.
"BRU7AL: ALIVE IS INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE OF DESIRE AND ABILITY TO MAINTAIN ALIVE, THEREFORE THIS DESIRE AND ABILITY = "IS""That does not inform whether we should or should not be alive, therefore your argument is a non-sequitur attempting to inform a moral premise
So, are you suggesting that even if we are alive and we want to stay alive, that DOESN'T mean that we OUGHT to be alive?
Our "human survival instinct" and "human social instinct" by their mere indisputable and logically necessary EXISTENCE motivate our sense of what humans "OUGHT" to do.
So, are you suggesting that even if we are alive and we want to stay alive, that DOESN'T mean that we OUGHT to be alive?Precisely
Our "human survival instinct" and "human social instinct" by their mere indisputable and logically necessary EXISTENCE motivate our sense of what humans "OUGHT" to do.No, they necessitate that we care for others, they do not tell us what we ought to do their is a distinction, this is a category error
Well I'll tell you something. You can't say it is right to have a goal without a goal you are referencing.
Well nihilists don’t believe in right or wrong so that shouldn’t be an issue.
Can we also agree that our care for others is the basis of all concepts of morality?No, we can agree its the subjective morality of humans, it is a subjective goals.
Well I'll tell you something. You can't say it is right to have a goal without a [specific and explicit] goal you are referencing.Well nihilists don’t believe in right or wrong so that shouldn’t be an issue.
Some individuals have "more" "caring/cooperation" instinct and some individuals have "less".
It is one you accept, I accept, everybody excepts
Some individuals have "more" "caring/cooperation" instinct and some individuals have "less".Or none at all.
It is one you accept, I accept, everybody exceptsOn the contrary, you accept subjective morality (whatever that is) and I accept objective morality so you and I are not the same.
Even a hypothetical psychopath can't live without other humans.
Even a hypothetical psychopath can't live without other humans....So? Why do we have to live?