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ok so the stories dont involve sexuality, doenst mean at all Jesus is gay
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I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time. 


 So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?

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If he's a Christian he should. Old Testament is Jewish law.
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Except he ran around with four guys so he must have been gay cuz he wasn't married and Sam Wise in the end was the hero not Frodo.
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I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say but I have come to expect dumb things from you. This law for homosexuals and death is firstly a covenantal death and secondly it was OT law.  Covenantal law means repentance can enable a person to be restored. It also mean capital punishment was the maximum penalty not the only punishment.  it was also a law specifically for the nation of Israel or a country where God’s law is democratically in place. It is not a law where secular thinking is the norm. 

Personally I think the death penalty in our modern society is a premature action. We as a society are not as civilised as even the past. We have become morons and therefore not capable of doing what is right let alone executing the wicked. 

Hence it is simply absurd for you to make such a nonsensical assertion. Yet not unexpected from our resident troll. 
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I am a Christian but I am not a Jew. And I don’t live in Jewish town under Jewish law. In Jesus, God’s laws have become multinational because the saviour has come.  
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-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time. 


 So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?


-->@Tradesecretwrote;  I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .

  
 Well it is rather "dumb"& retarded not to mention blatantly contradictory of you sunshine, to say on the one hand you don't agree with the death penalty and on the other hand say you don't disagree with god on the death penalty.


And the rest of your post is simply more backpaddling and more apologetics from a typical Christian hypocrite attempting to justify the unjustified  decrees of your megalomaniac psychopathic god.   But your contradiction doesn't stop there, dose it?  No, you press home you contradiction with this complete and utter shite in response to Polytheist-Witch :

->@Polytheist-Witch wrote;   If he's a Christian he should. Old Testament is Jewish law.

-->@Tradesecretwrote; I am not a Jew. And I don’t live in Jewish town under Jewish law. In Jesus, God’s laws have become multinational because the saviour has come.  


You are just far too ignorant to see how blatantly contradictory  you are being .  You see you admit that god's law is now "multinational" and gods law includes the death penalty.  But you have told me above that you do not agree with the death penalty which happens to be   "multinational god's law";

BUT ALSO SAY that  you "do not disagree with god"  but disagree with the death penalty which happens also to be ACCORDING TO ONLY YOU,  gods own "multinational law" ..
One simple little question and it  doesn't take you seconds to sink yourself  does it, Reverend?

Hahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahhahahhahahha

GET WELL SOON, Reverend. 
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For sure.

I've continually defended the fact, that the biblical authors never attributed their central character with a specific sexuality.


And Jesus ran around with all manner of guys.

And the power of the ring rendered Frodo impotent......Well that's my interpretation

And Samwise eventually got married and fathered children, and was probably just bi-curious during his epic bachelor days....Well that's my interpretation.
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I have not contradicted myself.  God in the OT clearly commanded the death penalty. I have explained previously about covenant death. You choose to pretend it is not real. Good for you. It doesn’t change the facts. You just parade your ignorance for all to see. I think the death penalty in physical or covenantal terms was appropriate in the OT nation of Israel for the nation of Israel. I don’t see the need to extend that outside of Israel.  I think that since Christ has appeared - everything changed. Specifically the foreshadowed Jesus who the laws and people of Israel had pointed to had come. Again you simply parade your ignorance by pretending the book of Hebrews does not explain this. 

It is not contradictory. And you asserting so does not make it so. You refused to to understand genesis 3 in relation to covenant. It is no wonder you do not understand the rest of the bible. It is little wonder you have such a warped view of God. And of logic. Of most things really. And you maintain that you are a wise old person who has studied the bible for over 60 years.  If only you had once actually taken the time to understand. But you have made your bed. Not you get to reap the consequences of that choice. 
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I have not contradicted myself.  

Oh ffs, stop it.!!!

Saying on the one hand  that you do not agree with the death penalty#133   then on the other hand  say that you " do NOT disagree with god"  who says this about the death penalty>>>


a man lies with a male as with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination;

they shall be put to death;
their blood is upon them.”— Leviticus 20:13

is a BLATANT! contradiction!!!




Why would I want to stop loving my parents?

 Indeed WHY!!!    BECAUSE YOUR GOD TELL YOU TO!!!!!! THAT'S WHY!!!!!!

“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple".Luke 14:26

 Are you now going to tell us that god doesn't mean "hate" at all? If that is going to be the case, then you have to explain what possible word can replace the word "hate" in any language and still make it sound sense..? 

Are you now going to reinterpret and put new words into the mouth of Jesus?  Or are you simply going to  regurgitate what it is that you have been taught to simply " pass on"#20



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Thanks Stephen for once again showcasing g your wonderful logic and whatever. 

Are you really this thick?  Gods death penalty is covenantal. Duh! If you don’t agree argue the point don’t just ignore it.  Don’t just assert your dumb presumptions. 

Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. 
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Jesus is not gay.  He condemned homosexuality and the reason why his apostles were male is because Jesus knew that male and female children both looked up to male role models better than female role models.  This is why women want to to masculine things way more frequently than men want to do femenine things.  It's because males are better role models for society. This isn't anything against women, as women can do things too, but society looks up to men.  Jesus knew this and this is the reason why all the apostilles are males.  It's not because Jesus is gay, especially as Jesus condemns homosexuality many times.
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Where in the Arabian Tales does the Jesus character say that he condemns homosexuality?
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"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

This does not mean I advocate the death of homosexuals because I don't.  It does mean that if one wishes to be gay and to have gay sex, they should not consider themselves Christian.  I don't object to atheism.  I object to false Christianity.  Not only should the church have the right to deny gay weddings, they should excersize this right.  Gay people should get secular marriages or civil unions instead of forcing the church to do something that violates their religion.  It would be like asking a mosque to serve alcohol.
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Leviticus was in the prequel,  several hundred years before the Jesus character was introduced.


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Thanks Stephen for once again showcasing g your wonderful logic and whatever. 


 You are more than welcome Reverend.



Are you really this thick?


No. I am not thick at all, Reverend.  Do you talk to all of your parishioners "sheep" and your student  in this tone when they catch you out in such blatant contradictions, Reverend? 

Gods death penalty is covenantal.

 So. It is s death sentence all the same , it is the commanding and ordering taking of a life, "Duh!"  Which YOU tell us that YOU "do not disagree with". DOUBLE Duh!"  But also tell that you  "do not agree with the death penalty " TRIPLE Duh!" 


Duh! If you don’t agree argue the point don’t just ignore it.

Don't agree what?  I have highlighted your own contradiction, and not for the first time either is it. 


Don’t just assert your dumb presumptions. 

I have asserted that you are a contradictory  clown of double standards and clearly highlighted  YOUR contradiction on the matter . One the one hand you disagree with the death penalty but then on the other hand tell us you "do not disagree with gods command of the death penalty".


Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. 

I will if that what it takes to show you for the contradictory  biblical ignorant clown that you are.


Stupid man. Dumb as fuck.

 My,  you really do have many faces don't you, Reverend.



Do you talk to all of your parishioners - "sheep" - and your students in this tone when they too point out and highlight your  blatant contradictions, Reverend? 



 
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Jesus aint gay
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I never said he was. 

I merely hypothesised a secondary fantasy scenario.

But let's be honest.....The Bible doesn't actually  say that he wasn't gay....So any  assumption of a characters unspecified sexuality, is therefore what it is.


And furthermore, the actual basis of the Jesus character is uncertain....Though there is a strong suggestion, that it was based upon a real person.

A real person with unspecified sexual motives.


Your choice is your right to choose Doc....Though  your choice is clearly fashioned by your conditioned belief rather than a logical analysis of the information.


The honest outcome of analysis is:
Jesus might or might not have been based upon a real person...Therefore said person or character  might or might not have displayed homosexual tendencies, or have been attributed a sexuality by it's creators.

And you can not emphatically state otherwise, with any factual certainty....Obstinacy is what it is.

The outcome of conditioned obstinacy is:   
Jesus aint gay.

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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown, the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO,  Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, an admitted sexual deviant, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, a Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender,

Tradesecret, you have obviously healed up enough from me Bible Slapping you Silly ad infinitum to return to DEBATEART Religion Forum, praise Jesus!


YOUR STEPPING IN POO QUOTE AGAIN AS USUAL: “Saying homosexuality is an abomination and deserves the death penalty is not the same as saying you hate gays.  When my son looks at porn it is a grievous thing to me and deserves punishment.

Barring the biblical axiom that Jesus' inspired words state that gays should be killed, and their blood is to be upon them (Leviticus 20:13),  then regarding your Hell bound son accepting punishment from you for watching porn, does he also receive punishment for reading Bible Porn as shown below?

“One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliamand the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her.” (2 Samuel 11:2-4)

“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.”  (Ezekiel 23:20-21)

“When Boaz had finished eating and drinking and was in good spirits, he went over to lie down at the far end of the grain pile. Ruth approached quietly, uncovered his feet and lay down. In the middle of the night something startled the man; he turned—and there was a woman lying at his feet"  (Ruth 3:7-8)    As all Christians have to accept, and in the same vein as the passage above, Jesus too had a “foot fetish” by always washing others feet. 


Furthermore, since you said that your son deserves punishment, do you actually FOLLOW THE BIBLE for a change, and BEAT your son into submission for his wrongdoing as Jesus’ inspired words so state in the revealing passage below?!

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou BEATEST him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt BEAT HIM with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs.23:13-14)

Since you stated that you don’t disagree with God Jesus, as the link below shows, then what kind of a “rod” did you use to beat your son? A metal one, a wooden one, or what was your preference?


The membership and I will await your answers to the above questions, and not to run away from them as you usually do, okay?  We thank you!


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YOUR COMICAL QUOTE:  "you are repeating yourself with the same arguments"

YES!  I have to repeat the same arguments because of your reading comprehension skills are that of a gnat! Get it?

The one of many links showing our Jesus as being outright GAY is listed below:

As the ONLY True Christian upon this forum, I can accept the fact that Jesus was GAY because it does not take away from Him saying that there will be no women in heaven, of which I as a man, am so looking forward too because we had to put up with these Sisters of Eve while upon earth, praise!  “I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)

Doc, do the simple math; Jesus never married, he didn’t like to be touched by women, he “hung" out with men where He loved a certain disciple named John that rested upon His chest at the Last Supper, He was nude in front of his disciples, He washed their feet as an obvious fetish, and the list of passages showing Jesus to be GAY goes on and on and on.  Accept the TRUTH for a change!


NEXT?

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no its cause the argument isnt vbery convicing
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Didn't Jesus wear  red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet robes?
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YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AND THE RAMIFICATIONS THEREOF ONCE AGAIN AT YOUR EMBARRASSING EXPENSE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “Have you ever heard or read anything by Rosaria Butterfield? She is a former lesbian feminist academic who has a remarkable story about Gods grace in her life. Her book The secret thoughts of an unlikely convert is worth reading in this context.” 

Speaking about CONTEXT, our serial killer Jesus’ grace does not include anything to do with lesbians, other than what is said to be done with them in the following NEW TESTAMENT passage where the “Slurpy” Rosearia Butterfield is to be handled in this way:  "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, Leaving the natural use of the woman, Burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, And receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. . . who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,”  (Romans 1:26-27)

The worthy of death clause is the following Jesus’ inspired words: "If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death,; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13)


Once again, please DO NOT run away again like you have explicitly done in the past subsequent to me easily Bible Slapping you Silly®️, okay? Thanks.


TRADESECRET, AS WE CAN ALL BLATANTLY SEE, YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE IS AGAIN WITHOUT QUESTION!

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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown,


 Well that will depend on which face he decides to wear on any given day. It appears to change with his/her time zones too.





The worthy of death clause is the following Jesus’ inspired words: "If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death,; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13)

The apologist will always attempt to water down these vile verses as with that vile verse of the death penalty of a  child for back - chat. Exodus 21:17
But, to the apologist,  vile verses such as these never actually mean what they say but the fluffy verses do.

But what are we to expect from a god that , rather than simply saying - ` ok, we are today ushering in a new covenant in a new age and all mankind's sins are forgiven ` , decides it would be better to make a spectacle of his innocent and  only son by having him beaten viciously and violently to withing inches of his life, then have him nailed to two pieces of wood as a blood sacrifice!?  I never yet met a christian that can ever explain why did it all have to be a blood sacrifice?



Once again, please DO NOT run away again like you have explicitly done in the past....

He will .  You are talking to a wo/man that believes that giving his own son the ` punishment ` of a talking to about  the ills of looking at porn equates#122 with the death penalty for being a homosexual. This , I am afraid Brother is the kind of pig ignorant denial, you and I, are up against.