Here’s a better question for anyone: what are the characteristics of noob mafia. And how they similar/different to that of noob town?
There are rarely blanket scum tells. There are things that can be read as scummy, but you take behaviors and you cross apply them with a person's history and how they show themselves to act.
Anti-town isn't the same as scummy. Poly's watching of GP was anti-town but not scummy in comedians mafia for example. greyparrot claiming dp1 every game is anti-town but not scummy. That same behavior cross applied to a different player who doesn't usually do those things makes it scummy; hence why mistercrhis was scummy in wylteds game.
He said "we" twice in that post. The subcontext is obviously grouping and referring to the rest of the players as a collective town. Both town and scum pursuade the masses this way
Good - now let’s try this again. When has town Evil ever said “we(town)” in any phrase before.
Idc about this part it’s fluff.
What Pie is referring to is that Evil felt the need to say “(town)” in addition to “we”. There was no need for Evil to emphasize that the “we” is “(town)”
What Pie is referring to is that Evil felt the need to say “(town)” in addition to “we”. There was no need for Evil to emphasize that the “we” is “(town)”
It's his third game and considering y our lucky to have more than 5 posts from him a day phase, I am sure there is a lot of firsts he will make as either affiliation. Even assuming you didn't just shoot your own argument in the foot since I pointed out he has used "we" before, this was a horrible argument.
I don't see how the addition of town makes any difference to the general argument. The subtext that "we" is town is pretty obvious, and he has used we before.
I don’t agree that the use of “we” in Evil’s post is a scum slip
Dude, I’m starting to get sick of this. I’ve pointed out that my reasoning isn’t based on the OMGUS several times, but you keep pointing back to the Pokémon game as evidence that he does it as town. I know he does it as town. I’ve defended him over it in this game. My reasoning has nothing to do with the OMGUS. I don’t know how many times I can say this before you acknowledge it. As my point.
I think a lot of your defense of Evil just speaks to what you’d expect of him as scum, and I can’t jive with that. We’ve never seen him as scum. We don’t know how he’d behave as scum. He’s a noob, and I suspect he’ll make noob mistakes as scum. I don’t think he’ll behave at all optimally, whether it’s about pushing a lynch on better targets or being more active and exhibiting a stronger defense of his efforts as scum. Should he be doing those things if he is scum? Yes. Would I be surprised if he was scum and wasn’t doing those things? No, and I think there’s enough behavioral reasons that separate him from his previous performances in the last two games to actively sus him in this game. I think distinguishing elements are better indicators with someone like him. You don’t have to agree, but that’s how I see it.
At the moment, based on what I’ve read so far, I would not consider a lynch on Pie. Nothing he’s said stands out to me as scummy, though there are nitpicky elements. I don’t agree that the use of “we” in Evil’s post is a scum slip, but I also don’t see Pie pushing it this hard as an indicator of his alignment.
Sure but everytime he’s used “we” by itself. Never has he felt to clarify that by adding (town) right after it. What changed? The answer is quite simple. Self-consciousness - it’s the sort of thing Wylted was harping on Poly last game about.My original post said this as well: “Town doesn’t have to clarify why they’re using “we” and “us.” Only scum worried about their image would use this - even more so from an inexperienced scum like Evil.”I was never on him for using we or us - this is a strawman. I was on him for clarifying it when he add (town) to it unlike previously.
Because it’s different from his previous words as town and we have 3 games to tell that. Never has he clarified with (town). Noob mafia would be worried about their appearance and clarify it to sound townie. You can ask Wylted about that for more details.
If Evil flips town then Lunatic is a good chance for scum. Just recall Fast Food Mafia when he was defending his partner Poly all day long.
How does the inclusion of the obvious part (town) make this leap from a null tell to "oh he is super obviously scum flor clarifying that "we" meant town even though that was already super obvious?!
Except for in that case poly was scum. You equating a scum defending scum situation to a scum defending town situation. Makes 0 sense.
This is such an easy mislynch I could easily cede this argument at any point and hop onto it. Yet I am still pursuing the hardest fvcking lynch possible in trying to lynch you lol.
Cause he has never done it before? It detracts from his behavior? That’s what game is based on right?You don’t have to agree with it, but it is clearly different than other games.And scum are much more likely to include these things because of the perception townies get on them - again you can check put Wylted’s post last game.
The (town) in we is so obvious subtext. This is absolutely ridiculous lol. There is going to be a lot of first words he uses when he only posts 5 times a day phase and this is his third game.
I never said you’d 100% be scum. I just said there was a good chance because I’m getting vibes from Fast Food
You can keep trying. It’s not going to get anywhere.
Luna, if you think I’m upset that you’re challenging my view, then you’re not understanding my frustration. I’m annoyed (don’t need to calm down, I’m not angry) that you have consistently misrepresented the reasons why I have sussed Evil. I don’t mind if you challenge them, I’m up for that. I’m not particularly fond of being told that you’re challenging my view when you haven’t really touched it. I haven’t said the word “anti-town” once in all my posts, and it hasn’t been implied, either. I haven’t focused on noob tells. I’ve gone so far as to specifically reject both types of behavior as reads for him being scum, yet you keep returning to them. This is the issue because you keep bringing up reasoning that I’ve already explicitly agreed with as challenges to my way of thinking. That’s why I’m sick of seeing it, and it’s honestly making me less certain of you that you’re ignoring large swaths of my points.
And yes, part of the reason I’m interested in lynching him is that I think it will give us some insights into other people on his lynch. I agree that scum as pushed for mislynches on him before. I did just that in the Pokémon game. I’m willing to consider Pie much more deeply as a lynch coming off of this one, particularly if he flips town. But I’m not joining that wagon in this DP.
