Is calling someone a coward a ban worthy offense

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  • Outplayz
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    Topic name says it all. 

    Edit* I guess i should add... "should it be" if it is. 
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    If that's all that happened...no.
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    I'm just trying to understand your recent ban. I'm not getting it reading through past posts.  
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    Which recent ban?
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    Should i bring it up here, or would you rather i PM you. 
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    PMing would be more appropriate, generally. 
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    Same here. I would like to know as well.
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    I'm trying to figure it out in PMs. I'm half getting it and half not. It really comes down to personality. Some users are just how they are... mean. I don't think people should be punished for being who they are bc we all expect them to be exactly that way. 
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    I agree. I honestly don't think this person should have been banned, based on his history on the forums, if that is all it is.
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    Well... definitely one of the reasons we need to have a discussion on. Harassment. If i dislike someone or think what they are saying is poisonous, i will likely reply to them the most often. As weird as that is... but, i would want them to know they are wrong. Now, i don't care as much as goldy does, but we can't fault him for being who he is. So i don't understand how something can be harassment. We are all on forums and if someone is on a forum that i frequent and i vehemently disagree with them... i will let them know. Why in the world would that be harassment? To me harassment would be not answer whatever the person said or posing any questions. Gold always asks questions even if those questions are smart ass ones. So i am not understanding this harassment rule. 

    The other reason is probably bc he calls ideas he disagrees with stupid and other names. I don't think he should be faulted for being who he is... i haven't seen him be malicious. I could be wrong since i haven't read everything... but i did read all the recent posts on science and religion and he was just being mean... typical way he acts. 

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    If harrassment is dissagreement, then we are all guilty. This is what the forums are for. 

    I haven't seen harrassment, just a jerk. and if we took all the jerks away, not many of us would be left.
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    That is what i am feeling like he is getting punished for.... being a jerk. But we all expect him to be that way bc we know he disagrees with us. He also does reply to some of us more often. Even in other threads... but, only when he disagrees. It makes no sense how that's harassment. Bsh is saying i don't know what's going on so i think he should correct me if i'm wrong. I've known, and you've known, him for some time. We know how he acts pretty well. I don't think being a jerk deserves punishment.  
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    As I explained in our PM, Goldtop was banned for harassment, sexual harassment, and for cumulative misconduct, about which he received more than a dozen warnings prior to the temp-ban action. Harassment is "a sustained pattern of misconduct, targeting a specific user or users, carrying over various forum threads over a substantial period of time." Sexual harassment is a bit more complicated to understand. Broadly, it is composed of three categories. First, lewd or suggestive comments which constitute unwanted advances. Second, lewd or suggestive comments designed to make the recipient uncomfortable or to mock the recipient. Third, comments targeting a user's sex, sexual attractiveness, sexual performance, or orientation which are designed to make the recipient feel uncomfortable or to mock the recipient. Goldtop's violation falls into the third category. The violations in question were viewed as severe by both Virt and myself. Finally, cumulative misconduct--which would not, on its own, have warranted a ban--simply refers to the sheer volume of COC violations in the form of personal attacks Goldtop accumulated while on the site.

    Unfortunately, my hands are tied in going into greater depth because the questions of harassment and sexual harassment implicates other users, whose privacy ought to be respected. I am empowered to state why Goldtop was banned, and I have. I am not, however, going to engage in a lengthy debate on the question which would require me to divulge concerns involving other users or expressed to me in confidence. Goldtop was provided the exact, and rather lengthy, explanation for his ban, and had more than an hour after becoming aware of his ban in which to offer a protest. The proper procedures were followed, and Virt and I were in total agreement on the decision.
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    "Targeting a specific user" Why is that wrong? If a user frequents threads i am in, and i disagree with them... i will target said user. These are freaking forums for god sake and that's unavoidable.  

    I'm the last person that should be sticking up for him... but, when you've known someone for years, you naturally get offended at such punishment. What i know... he's a jerk. What i also know, he usually doesn't allow himself to tip over into being malicious. Why he even has a history of warning doesn't make sense. Seems to me he's the one being targeted. 

    And... the sexual harassment... just doesn't sound like Gold. Forgive me if i am losing my trust in the moderation of this site. 

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    An hour isn't a lot of time to prepare a defence. I bet he was just as confused as we are.

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    Not at all
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    Tell them about me and ask the other users he harassed to come forth if you want.
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    I know two other users he's target-bullied even after being asked to leave them alone.
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    This was a brilliant ban, don't ever forgive him, he's sadistic and calculating as a bully gets short of IRL threats or suicide encouragement.
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    His worst posts got deleted by mods so his post history is only 80% of the abuse.
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    Good eye, and TBH most of the threads he is involved in lowers the quality of this place overall, he just has a way of condemning people and instigating crap, harassing certain members that are in contrast to his personal views for extended periods of time.... Now discussions/debate can take place in the forums without it becoming a shyt fest. It is hard not to retaliate, but any action that can be performed to raise the quality of this place and limit nonsense should be taken. We don't want another DDO and lately that is where the threads seem to be going upon the arrival of just TWO members. One in which is still present. One better gone than none though...
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    You mean even paranoids get followed. bwuahahahahaha
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    Yes, and that's when my psyche becomes most powerful but no, 'follow' in this sense isn't the same as 'stalking'.
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    Confused really? your satisfied with the content of that members posts and the activity of his conduct towards you and your topics? have you lost your memory lol? aren't you tired of getting the lame ol response "your deluded", you're "mentally ill" you believe in fairy tales? he doesn't bring actual objections to discussions just a biased, emotional opinion. We all wanted something different from this forum so why are we complaining about fair bans?
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    His worst posts got deleted by mods so his post history is only 80% of the abuse.
    Maybe that's why i am not seeing what they are talking about. Bc i don't see any "worst posts" ... i know he bullies and that he's a jerk. But that is no reason to ban someone if that's just it. I've dealt with him probably a lot longer than you have. He's annoying, stubborn, and forward in his dislike of whatever he's contesting. That to me doesn't make it harassment. If he dislikes something, he lets that person know. He's rude, so what? Life isn't filled with nice people... In any case, i searched through all the recent threads to look for what could have banned him. If they've removed those threads than i didn't see why. I don't think it's a smart idea to remove threads so fast... bc it leaves people like me confused why he got banned. 

    To me, it seems like you guys are just happy he's gone bc you didn't like him... that's sad. I didn't like him either, but i respect that he was himself.