What is an “extravagant lie?”

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@Barney
So why have you not banned yourself. I seem to recall an instance where you doxxed Wylted and called his local law enforcement cause you “thought” he might commit self harm. 

Where is the consistency?

“Dox = ban” right?

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@RationalMadman
That's true actually, Lunatic directly harassed you during the campaign and they didn't act on it because you were okay with it.
I didn’t think it was harassment, and I said as much. But if the Wylted standards were the same, Lunatic should’ve been banned regardless of my opinion.
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So why have you not banned yourself. I seem to recall an instance where you doxxed Wylted and called his local law enforcement cause you “thought” he might commit self harm. 
Never happened. Nor have I murdered Wylted and his extended family as you've claimed elsewhere (and yes, stating that I've done to him what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, is claiming just that).


Where is the consistency?
Outside your overactive imagination.
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Bsh and David did that because David literally knows Wylted irl. Sorry if that is doxxing to reveal but that was how they so easily did what they did and why David cared and dared to take such action.

Ragnar was not involved.
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@Barney
Never happened. Nor have I murdered Wylted and his extended family as you've claimed elsewhere (and yes, stating that I've done to him what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, is claiming just that).
Well why don’t you just ban me for “extravagant lies” then :)

Outside your overactive imagination.
I literally highlighted an example of inconsistency but ok. I know liberals sometimes have a hard time getting stuff into their brains. You’ll realize when you’re older
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@RationalMadman
Bsh and David did that because David literally knows Wylted irl. Sorry if that is doxxing to reveal but that was how they so easily did what they did and why David cared and dared to take such action.

Ragnar was not involved.
It’s still doxxing for Bsh. And he was not banned. There is a double standard clearly.
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Why didn't I ban myself, for what someone else did, at a time when I wasn't a moderator... Because in spite of how much both you and I wish for it, I'm not some time traveling god-like being.

As for your ban request, how long would you like?
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@ILikePie5
If this happened is there no record of it you can link to?

Saying "I've sent someone to see if he's ok" is a hell of a lot different than asking "somebody find out where he is". One is calling for doxing and the other is not.
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@Barney
Why didn't I ban myself, for what someone else did, at a time when I wasn't a moderator... Because in spite of how much both you and I wish for it, I'm not some time traveling god-like being.

As for your ban request, how long would you like?
You need to resign and leave the mod chat. Period.
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If this happened is there no record of it you can link to?
RM remembers it. 

Saying "I've sent someone to see if he's ok" is a hell of a lot different than asking "somebody find out where he is". One is calling for doxing and the other is not.
David didn’t know exactly where Wylted lived lol. Just like idk where Supa lives exactly, even though I have a pretty good idea cause we have each other on social media. You have to use the IP data to correctly send the police over. 

Apparently that doesn’t constitute “doxxing.” I’m trying to find out why the double standard exists. As far is I understand, the only reason mods can see IP info is to prevent multi-accounting.
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I think they used his real name and his (fake or real, we still do not publicly know) suicidal rant here and got cops to act on it.

Then again you are right, why would the cops believe it without proof he was the guy they said he was.

The thing you and I disagree on is firstly I see Wylted as a villain to the website, not a good guy or hero of any variety. I told the mods it was a mistake to unban him before and was proven correct.

He is irresponsible, a loose cannon and if ADOL was ever going to let slip his/her/their real identity, we sure as hell will not be allowed to witness the slip-up thanks to Wylted's blackmailing ADOL into silence, so publicly.

The FBI does not wave a warning flag at you before investigating you. If they did, they'd barely succeed at all.
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@RationalMadman
The thing you and I disagree on is firstly I see Wylted as a villain to the website, not a good guy or hero of any variety. I told the mods it was a mistake to unban him before and was proven correct.
Like him or dislike him, the standards should be the same for everyone. Modding should be of a consistent nature. Here we see an individual trying to justify the ban based on absurd reasons. One mod has even admitted 2/3 of the reasons were.
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Why do you think a website's purported Code of Conduct prohibits reporting criminal activity to law enforcement? 

For example, if User X learned that User Y on this website was exchanging illegal revenge pornography with other users on the site in violation of British law,  and User Y lives in the United Kingdom, is User X prohibited by this site's purported Code of Conduct from reporting the same to British law enforcement?  

I'm just going to tell you that there is a correct answer to this question.  I just want to see if we can work through this together.  
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@ILikePie5
Ok so you have inferred that IP data was used, and RM thinks Wylted posted a suicidal rant with potentially his real name.

Notes based on what has appears to be the case so far:
1) Someone posting their own information with the intention of it being public and someone else repeating it is not doxing.
2) IP information is potentially doxing, but that was not published, no mod asked anyone to find his IP or info, they just used it.

So given that would, Wylted have been banned if he personally used clues I dropped to call my local police department? I don't know, I think leaving clues is just an inherent risk of being online.

Think about it this way: if Wylted could use private information he obtained, but it would be doxing to give that information to other site members; then how could other site members get private information and share it with him? If others sharing it with him is doxing, then him asking to be given that information is a request to dox whether he used that word or not.

If there was the slightest hint that anybody, mod or not, would be sending police to your door if you said the wrong thing I think the same chilling effect would occur as proper doxing. *insert sponsered VPN segment here*

As for the justification for doxing as it were, RM said Wylted had a suicidal rant. Now did he say he wanted to commit suicide or was it just something people perceived as nihilistic and therefore it was assumed he was suicidal? What if they assumed he was nihilistic and then on top of that assumption assumed again he was suicidal?

Suppose he said "The purpose of life is not to climb mountains" and the mods assumed that since the only reason to live is to climb mountains Wylted must have no reason to live, and since he has no reason to live he must be suicidal. That would be the correct analog for this latest situation.
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Why do you think a website's purported Code of Conduct prohibits reporting criminal activity to law enforcement? 
That is totally irrelevant. Reporting criminal activity was not a reason for the ban, no one responsible for the ban has suggested it was, nor was there any criminal activity to report. It is only the magnificent scale of your misrepresentations induces me to comment BTW.

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How many 30 day bans does it take to be permanently banned on Facebook? I have 3 so far. I know this isn't relevant to this thread but it got me to thinking about 30 day bans. How many would it take on this site?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
2) IP information is potentially doxing, but that was not published, no mod asked anyone to find his IP or info, they just used it.
Wylted wasn’t going to post the info either lol
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2) IP information is potentially doxing, but that was not published, no mod asked anyone to find his IP or info, they just used it.
Wylted wasn’t going to post the info either lol
If you take him at his word, but he did ask for people to give him the info publicly. I think if mods had done that, and used the word "dox" explicitly your case for hypocrisy would be sound... or if he had kept to PMs and they still banned him.
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@ILikePie5
An extravagant lie is one that makes you smile.


For example:

Donald Trump was an erudite Statesman.
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If you take him at his word, but he did ask for people to give him the info publicly. I think if mods had done that, and used the word "dox" explicitly your case for hypocrisy would be sound... or if he had kept to PMs and they still banned him.
He said to email it to him. The email address is now censored.
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@ILikePie5
You need to resign and leave the mod chat. Period.
If you actually believe this, you should build a logical case in support with it with a sound conclusion.

As is, you keep dead ending conversations with this declaration (along with argumentum ad Nazium) instead of bothering with topical replies.
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@Barney
If you actually believe this, you should build a logical case in support with it with a sound conclusion.
I already have. Your logic is inconsistent and built on complete bs.

You have never banned someone for creating a callout thread.

I already pointed out the inconsistency in not banning Lunatic.

Even Supa admits the above two reasons are illogical and not ban worthy. You wrote the text of the ban, now own up to your authoritarianism.

As is, you keep dead ending conversations with this declaration (along with argumentum ad Nazium) instead of bothering with topical replies.
I have already said what I wanted to say. Your responses lack any sense of regret. You can do no wrong cause you’re a mod. Your fellow mod Supa even admits the first and second premises of the ban were dumb. Your own ally disagrees with you. Resign.
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I unfortunately cannot debate. Can’t commit the time to it cause college.
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@ILikePie5
You have never banned someone for creating a callout thread.
Remind me again who said "There is zero consistency in your rulings"? No one has been banned for callout threads, and still no one has been banned for callout threads... How is that adding to your case of zero consistency? You seem to be complaining that you're wrong and that hurts your feelings.


I already pointed out the inconsistency in not banning Lunatic.
When did Lunatic dox someone? ... Or do you mean him also not getting banned for a callout thread, which again is you disproving your own zero consistency claim.


Your fellow mod Supa even admits the first and second premises of the ban were dumb. 
When and where did Supa say banning over doxing is dumb? Remember, the literal first sentence of the ban reason reads: "Incel-chud has been banned for 60 days principally for attempted doxing."
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@Barney
So why is “extravagant lying,” which objectively was not even the case here and fallout thread harassment even mentioned in the ban?

At least you’re conceding that these 2 reasons are now dumb
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@ILikePie5
I've already explained the matter to you over a week ago, and offered to expand as needed.

See posts #14 and #20.

You are of course welcome to challenge me to a debate on if a ban was warranted, or if there is indeed zero consistency as you keep regurgitating.
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@Barney
You have not said anything of substance. If you’re not banning Wylted for the first two reasons, why even mention it in the first place.

Your own ally has said that you are wrong. That’s all the evidence I need to show how disgraceful your judgement is/was
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See post #14
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@Barney
Why don’t you go back and read it. Then look at what your “boss” said in this chat about the ban itself.