Is college worth it?

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That's because we are 50 individual countries even though people call US states.
Don't buy it, but nice counterpoint. Race thing makes way more sense. 
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People often take what's easiest for them to not have to think about.
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Polytheist-Witch: That's because we are 50 individual countries even though people call US states. We basically in general want the federal government not to intrude upon things that have nothing to do with the federal government. And college is one of those things. The government is free at this point to give out whatever grants they want to people to work around this. I personally don't think you should get more than 2 years after high school pay for. Which means colleges should really streamline exactly what people need when they go to college and trade school would be paid for. If you want the type of job that takes more than 2 years of college then you should pay for it at that point. I don't think the government should be paying for anybody to go through 6-8 years of school for a lawyer or a doctor or a veterinarian or any of those other jobs that require that. And part of the reason for that is college students fuck off constantly.
Think of the higher taxes the better college  educated will be paying versus the taxes minimum wage earners pay  because they lack a college education. 

A smaller percentage will quit college if it is free. That’s a win win for all.

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Going to college is only worth it for gender studies. If you're looking to be a doctor you're best off going to culinary school for that.
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If you’re looking to get into the STEM fields, it is worth it. Some fields, such as law and architecture, are pretty saturated, so buyer beware. Degrees in the social sciences are mostly a waste of money unless someone is intent on becoming a schoolteacher. For-profit universities are almost always a ripoff… again, buyer beware. Worst case scenario? Going into debt for a social science AND then dropping out. Both the system and yourself are ripping you off there…

What matters a lot, and no one has mentioned yet, are internships in one’s desired field.
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If you’re looking to get into the STEM fields, it is worth it. Some fields, such as law and architecture, are pretty saturated, so buyer beware. Degrees in the social sciences are mostly a waste of money unless someone is intent on becoming a schoolteacher. For-profit universities are almost always a ripoff… again, buyer beware. Worst case scenario? Going into debt for a social science AND then dropping out. Both the system and yourself are ripping you off there…

What matters a lot, and no one has mentioned yet, are internships in one’s desired field.
Student debt is about 1.7 trillion.

If that’s the best you did with your education, then you did get ripped off.

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I have both a trade and a bachelor's. And a good trade too, like kinda fancy, e&i tech, paid me well while I was at it. 

Then I got bored and went back to college. Did a computer science degree. 

I mean my trade is tiddlywinks compared to my degree. And 3 months out of the degree I was earning more than I had been working with 5 years experience in my trade. 

College is serious shit. No way I'd pay American fees though. 
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I have both a trade and a bachelor's. And a good trade too, like kinda fancy, e&i tech, paid me well while I was at it. 

Then I got bored and went back to college. Did a computer science degree. 

I mean my trade is tiddlywinks compared to my degree. And 3 months out of the degree I was earning more than I had been working with 5 years experience in my trade. 

College is serious shit. No way I'd pay American fees though. 
That is an American problem for sure. But college is worth it.

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"Getting less than an "A" in college is a waste of everyone's time"  Anonymous

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"Getting less than an "A" in college is a waste of everyone's time"  Anonymous
So what did you do with all the time you saved?

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There are plenty of affordable colleges in America, but the propaganda is high on selling big names on the diploma.

Not everyone needs a Ferrari to get from point A to point B.

My grad school was hella-cheap. Paid it off in 3 years.
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There are plenty of affordable colleges in America, but the propaganda is high on selling big names on the diploma.

Not everyone needs a Ferrari to get from point A to point B.

My grad school was hella-cheap. Paid it off in 3 years.
You get what you paid for.

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I sure did. Contract rates don't care about the name on a degree. It's a simple checkbox on the wage calculation. But they don't tell you that in the brochures, so your take is understandable.
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I sure did. Contract rates don't care about the name on a degree. It's a simple checkbox on the wage calculation. But they don't tell you that in the brochures, so your take is understandable.
Most degree holders aim for a 100k+ jobs.Did you check the right box?
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Lol, if you paid 100k for gender studies, that's on you bro.
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Lol, if you paid 100k for gender studies, that's on you bro.
If it comes with job opportunities that’s a smart move.

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You don't need a degree to be a race grifter.
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You don't need a degree to be a race grifter.
That is why it doesn’t pay that well.

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You misspelled does.
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You misspelled does.
Misspelled what?

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Misspelled what?
Greyparrot's point is that race grifters do make a lot of money, and your contention that they don't must be a result of your misspelling the word, "does." It's a clever way of stating "you're wrong." And I believe Greyparrot would cite Ta-Nahisi Coates as an counterexample to your contention.
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Misspelled what?
Greyparrot's point is that race grifters do make a lot of money, and your contention that they don't must be a result of your misspelling the word, "does." It's a clever way of stating "you're wrong." And I believe Greyparrot would cite Ta-Nahisi Coates as an counterexample to your contention.
grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud.

Con artists  get caught and end up in jail. No spelling mistake here.
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grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud.
No definition necessary. When Greyparrot refers to a "race grifter," naturally I would assume he means one who pedals fraudulent notions about race for monetary gain. Again, it's Greyparrot's clever way of stating you're wrong. That is, he maintains that exploiting identitarian politics, particularly on the subject of race, is actually quite profitable.

Con artists  get caught and end up in jail.
Not all of them.

No spelling mistake here.
As I've already explained, it was never about your spelling.
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grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud.
No definition necessary. When Greyparrot refers to a "race grifter," naturally I would assume he means one who pedals fraudulent notions about race for monetary gain. Again, it's Greyparrot's clever way of stating you're wrong. That is, he maintains that exploiting identitarian politics, particularly on the subject of race, is actually quite profitable. 
So you are assuming  what he means.
Con artists  get caught and end up in jail. 
Not all of them.
You must be thinking about Trump.
No spelling mistake here.
As I've already explained, it was never about your spelling.
The word used was “misspelled.”
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So you are assuming  what he means.
What gave it away? The fact that I said, "I would assume he means..."

You must be thinking about Trump.
No. Picking a con-artist among politicians is like sifting through grains of sand.

The word used was “misspelled.”

Greyparrot's point is that race grifters do make a lot of money, and your contention that they don't must be a result of your misspelling the word, "does." It's a clever way of stating "you're wrong."
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So you are assuming  what he means.
What gave it away? The fact that I said, "I would assume he means..." 

You must be thinking about Trump.
No. Picking a con-artist among politicians is like sifting through grains of sand. 

The word used was “misspelled.”

Greyparrot's point is that race grifters do make a lot of money, and your contention that they don't must be a result of your misspelling the word, "does." It's a clever way of stating "you're wrong."
You appear to share his opinion that grifters make a lot of money. So why is spelling an issue?
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I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt :D
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The courts are still fighting with BLM race grifters over the millions of dollars embezzled. If the prosecutor is someone like Kim Foxx, then they will get away with the felony larceny as expected.

BLM's legacy is No peace and No justice.
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I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt :D
So you had doubts too?