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@ADreamOfLiberty
The problem is that children in most cases, when they grow up, dont want for their adult partners to go to prison.
Most people dont know how badly the pedophiles are treated in prison
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@Best.Korea
The problem is that children in most cases, when they grow up, dont want for their adult partners to go to prison.
Yet if there is a significant age gap then on average there would be a significant period of time before the former child died and after the older partner died in which the former child can make his or her case without risking harming the now dead older partner.
Why do we never see it?
I am reminded of asking Sasquatch enthusiasts where the bodies are. Yes yes, you can have all these theories and some circumstantial evidence corroborates but you do need a theory about why theoretical predictions fail to appear.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Have you read "The Trauma Myth"?
It deals with adult-child relationships.
It presented many stories, and questioned many people.
90% of children, when they grow up, dont want for their partner to go to prison.
Thats what children in those relationships say.
So yes, the theory was proven true. Its just that media doesnt want to report it that way when horror stories sell much better.
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@Best.Korea
90% of children, when they grow up, dont want for their partner to go to prison.
Is that stat in there? Has anyone spot checked the interviewees?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yes, the stat is in the book, along with many other.
Most of adult-child relationships are never discovered.
You cannot exactly spot check these things. Their stories were consistent. Thats how much one can say.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
@Best.Korea
No No its not a mutilating sex dool
The mutilating device was like a ummm a thing you put ya knob in and it cuts it to bits .
Its a device that you gift some how to a pedophile.
( this is a totally diffrent post )
No But.
What i was getting at was
A kid like sex doll of sorts.
If a pedophile gets off fucking a ( i hate saying this ) A kid like sex doll.
This may or may not stop "him" from performing this act on a real kid.
So again .
Do you think "they" should create and make available, a range of ( kid like sex dolls ) ?
If you think they shouldn't then.
What if it stops one kid from being molested.
Anyways .
I'm not sure myself if its good or bad or plain nonsense kind of question.
Butttttttt, if you think about it for a second.
Insta "morals" come into play.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I think sex dolls dont cause any harm, but they might prevent harm.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I'm not sure why I'm responding to you, it's very hard to understand what you're trying to say.
If a pedophile gets off fucking a ( i hate saying this ) A kid like sex doll.This may or may not stop "him" from performing this act on a real kid.So again .Do you think "they" should create and make available, a range of ( kid like sex dolls ) ?
I don't think there is a sound moral justification for using force to prevent the creation or fucking of sex toys regardless of their nature.
No matter how much some people may wish pedophiles would just keel over and die, denying them such things won't cause that to happen.
I don't think there would be a strong correlation between access to a sex doll (or simulated porn) and attempted kidnapping and the like. People decide what to do based on the rules they make up for themselves. If a person was raised with the correct philosophy those rules are subject to logical criticism from within and without. Otherwise they are not.
1) If a pedo tells him/herself that "I need the real thing" because of X, Y, Z sex toys and porn won't fix that.
2) If a pedo accepts his/her sexuality but determines to subsist only on fantasy sex toys and simulated porn may improve his/her quality of life, but I think anyone who would use the lack of those things as an excuse to change moral standards would do so anyway.
3) If the only kind of pedo you would accept is one who tries to deny his/her sexuality completely to the point of attempting to never fantasize or masturbate to it, I think that's going to lead to some severe sexual tension that may eventually break the pedo and send him into camp (1).
In conclusion your opinion on the appropriateness of masturbation aids for pedophiles doesn't come to much, I'm sure they can and do make do without some large legal market for such things.
If you think they shouldn't then.What if it stops one kid from being molested.
Debating pedophiles in the open instead of censoring them is much more likely to prevent one or more kids from being molested.
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@Best.Korea
Always on the same page BK.
Nice response man.
Who the fuck could possibly know hey ?
It would of been easy for you to start elaborating with like,
Well.
1
2 and 3
But again .
Who the fuck could know hey?
It really does feel like . ( People so so underestimate or not even take into account just how )
°°•°°•°°•°°••••••••• MEGA { COMPLEX } US HUMANS ARE •••••••••°°•°°•°°•°°•°°
Some must think John and Sam are the same.
And in doing so , They totally forget about Paul.
Not to mention Lisa and Eric.
Get back to me on any thoughts on this.
Good day BK.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Organised chaos Deb.
Took a bus ride yesterday.
Bus ride = contemplation.
Came to the conclusion that organised chaos is a result of chaotic organisation.
Makes sense don't you think.
Went for a walk yesterday.
Walk = contemplation.
Came to the conclusion that everything else is organised, it's just that humans don't quite know how to handle intelligence in an organised way.
Maybe we are just not suited to the task.
Do you think that we will fail?
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@Best.Korea
It includes stories about children who liked being in relationships with adults.
The children and their adult partners would have brought their case to court if that was the case. You could assemble a group of 100 pedos and their kids to make a court more likely to rule in their favor. But it hasn’t happened yet, so I’m going to assume that kids don’t enjoy being in relationships with adults.
Statistically, 90% of adult-child relationships dont include any pain, threats or violence.
I don’t think this is accurate. There are so many traumatized children who get raped at the southern border.
However, children usually get sexual urges at age 12-14.
This is an argument to make the age of consent 12, not 0. Some Mexican states have the age of consent at 12. But America views things differently.
If you want to be strategic, the pedophilles and their children partners could collectively move to the Baja Californian states and Sonora where their relationships are legal, create an anglophone majority population in these states, and join the US under the condition that the US let’s them have an age of consent really low; that’s what happened with Wyoming with letting women vote (when the US was against it). Or if that doesn’t happen, Mexico becomes more bilingual (which can help Mexico be more influenced by America.). Pedophilles from the world would move to this area (kinda like Israel). English would be the de facto language of the area (the original founders of the nation would be anglophones) and this would either mean the area would break away from Mexico (it may or may not join the USA) or it would cause more Mexicans to learn English, making them easier for America to influence and maybe even annex.
The best way to prevent STI is marriage.
If you’re a pedophille, you are pretty much only attracted to children (if you were also attracted to adults, you wouldn’t make a big fuss and just date adults). That means when these 12 year old kids become adults (or even not their age type anymore), a divorce is inevitable.
There are monsters in every group. There are monsters among straight people. There are monsters among gay people. There are monsters among MAP. There is no denying that.
Yeah, but I think at age 7, no kid is going to consent to what happened to me.
MAP is name to decrease stigma. About 15% of MAP are children and teenagers who feel pressure because of society's judgment.
I consider pedophille to be a neutral term. Groomer and sex abuser are negative. The term MAP tries to promote adult children relationships. Pedo is short for pedophille.
However, those stories dont make it to the mainstream media.
They would. If random homicides make mainstream media, then a story of a child who was in a relationship with an adult and is traumatized because their lover got killed would also make the news.
So if we know that a person will regret something, then better not do that.
What if the child regrets sex with an adult?
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@TheUnderdog
Okay, just answer me this:
If child likes being with an adult and never regrets it, should that adult be punished?
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@TheUnderdog
That means when these 12 year old kids become adults (or even not their age type anymore), a divorce is inevitable.
Child marriages should be allowed. The best way to prevent STI is marriage. Even if marriage ends in divorce, while it lasted it limited the number of sexual partners. Without marriage, children would still have sex. It would be less safer, less guided sex with more partners, if there is no marriage.
If we look at example of Afghanistan where child marriages are common, but also where marriage is valued, we see that Afghanistan has lower amount of STI, STD, lower amount of divorce and lower amount of suicides than USA.
Marriage would likely not end in divorce. There is an attachment that grows over time between an adult and a child. It doesnt stop when child becomes adult.
In the book "The Trauma Myth", there are many stories of children who liked being with adults.
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@TheUnderdog
This is an argument to make the age of consent 12, not 0. Some Mexican states have the age of consent at 12.
It probably should be at 12, but there were cases where even younger children enjoy being with adults. If the adult is kind and friendly to the child and doesnt force a child to anything, then child will like that adult.
I'm having trouble thinking of a 12 year old girl that I've ever known that would be like.
Primed And like, good to go.
Hot to trot so to speak.
Thinking a girl at the age of 12 is " all good "
Is i think.
Dee - fucking - plorable.
Well for starters.
Its .
Hey Deb ?
Calm down ,
Deep breaths . in through the nose , out through the mouth.
Applying ' HANDBRAKE '
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccchhhhh.
Frizum , bizum , kisim.
Im derailing my own post.
Soooooo
Let us now quickly reflect on the meaning of the word ( prophet )
Hummmmm,
I mention this Because. When discussions involving "sex with minors" arise
The word ( prophet ) conjures up.
( and yesss i get it . , i probably have contracted ( Muhammedicitis ) from ye religious forum
And yessssss,
A nine year old girl back then is equivalent to a 12 year old girl in 2023.
As We all know how moneys in the past is worth more then now.
Who just yelled out. ( we need A pedophile "spectrum" )
Who was it?
Deb again .
Stopppppppp.
Fucking stop it.
NO MORE.
Ok ill stop .
' spits '
Fucking WANKERS.
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@Best.Korea
How old was the child when you abuse him/her? Was it a boy or a girl?
While it is true that children cant decide for themselves because they are not totally conscious about what is bad or good, its also tru that there are different levels of conciousness. Its not the same a 4yo child than a 11yo one, the last knows more about morality.
And youre a very lucky sob. You came out of prision alive. Good for you, and please, dont do it again. 😁
While it is true that children cant decide for themselves because they are not totally conscious about what is bad or good, its also tru that there are different levels of conciousness. Its not the same a 4yo child than a 11yo one, the last knows more about morality.
And youre a very lucky sob. You came out of prision alive. Good for you, and please, dont do it again. 😁
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Fucking WANKERS.
Yep that's how it all starts.
Usually before the age of 12.
Biologically primed and ready to go in the womb.
But humans make up rules about this sort of stuff.
Humans like making up rules.
Which are oftentimes incompatible with urgency.
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@zedvictor4
I heard that in Europe the age of consent in the past was 9yo. What the fuck!! Seriously? Europeans were really pervert.
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@IlDiavolo
If you consider that before the advent of modern medicine and surgery, the average life expectancy was 25 years.
It was therefore necessary to start early.
And of course, we have overthought basic sexual function and urgency a tad.
And invented corresponding concepts such as morality and perversion.
It's no good worrying about yesterday today though.
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@IlDiavolo
@zedvictor4
Child marriages were very useful for past societies.
It increased their birth rates so they could outnumber the enemy in both economy, population and military.
It also took care of orphans. At that time, there was no foster care and no one wanted to take care of orphans except map.
Without map, ancient orphans would all be reduced to begging in the street.
Child marriage lost most of its usefulness when it was banned.
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@zedvictor4
@Best.Korea
Zed was talking about the necessity to boost natality given that in the past people used to die young. Nevertheless, I think there is something wrong with the minimum age because girls start to menstruate at the very least at 12yo, less than this age is really rare and as a consequence useless to consent because the little girl can't get pregnant.
In several third-world countries, rural women keep getting married at 13yo as a minimum age, even at 12yo, but this responds to what I've just said, that at this age most girls start to menstruate.
By the way, BK, you didn't answer my question. How old was the child (if it really was a child) when you abused her? Keep in mind that not all girls grow the same way, it's possible to find for example a 12yo girl that looks like 17yo as well as a 17yo girl that looks like 12yo. So, there is no excuse to harass children if you can get a grown up woman that looks like a child, with no ass and no tits.
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@IlDiavolo
Actually, the youngest girl ever who gave birth was 5 years old.
It is rare, but it happens. When it happens, it increases birth rates.
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@Best.Korea
Actually, the youngest girl ever who gave birth was 5 years old.
So that is the age of the child you abused, right? It's the only case reported because the child had a precocious puberty, you can't generalize. If we cast this case out, the youngest was an 11yo girl, which is more believable.
Being said that, if you try to "seduce" a child you're commiting a crime no matter where you are. 5yo children are no conscious about what is right or wrong which is the reason why they're always under adult supervision up to the age of 12. After that I really don't mind if they have sex (with boys of the same age, of course) because they will more or less behave the way they were taught by their parents.
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@IlDiavolo
Some girls get period at age 8. Getting period means you can get pregnant. I started masturbating when I was 7, but was only able to produce cum at 10 or 11.
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@IlDiavolo
I was circumcised at age 1. Double standards.
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@Best.Korea
Some girls get period at age 8. Getting period means you can get pregnant. I started masturbating when I was 7, but was only able to produce cum at 10 or 11.
Again, you're talking about precocious girls which is not the norm. The average is to menstruate at 12. If you pick an 8yo girl randomly, I bet she hasn't got her period yet.
Decide already how old the child was when you abused her, that'd give us an idea about the seriousness of the crime.
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@IlDiavolo
Some girls can get pregnant at age 9. We cannot follow average, since average doesnt always apply. In ancient times, when girl can get pregnant, she is ready. Plenty of happy marriages back then. No one complained. Now many complain. I guess its the US brainwashing. Most people dont really care much about well being of children. Most people break speed limits. However, they do like hating others, especially map. I get a lot of hate online.
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@Best.Korea
Statistically, 90% of adult-child relationships dont include any pain, threats or violence.
I don’t think the figure is that high. I would need reliable evidence to change my mind on this.
True. However, children usually get sexual urges at age 12-14.
This would be an argument to make the age of consent 12-14, not 3.
I believe legally allowing children to marry would be beneficial.The best way to prevent STI is marriage. Children cannot be protected from sex, since some of them actively seek sex.However, they can be educated, guided and being allowed to marry.
There are 2 scanareaos with how someone can be attracted to children. They are attracted to:
1) Adults and children virtually equally. If this is the case, these people would just be with an adult to not get prosecuted.
2) Be significantly more attracted to children than adults. If this is the case, when that child grows up to be an adult, a divorce is inevitable, making the marriage not permanent, leading to the body count of the child skyrocketing after marriage.
There are monsters among straight people. There are monsters among gay people. There are monsters among MAP. There is no denying that.
The monsters among adult to adult make up a very small proportion of all sex they endure (monster being defined strictly as rapist/murderer or similar). The monster rate among pedophilles is virtually all cases.
About 15% of MAP are children and teenagers who feel pressure because of society's judgment.
I don’t think the figure is that high. If a 13 year old says they have a crush on a 12 year old, nobody cares. But if they have sex and there is a pregnancy, that’s going to create either a child giving birth or causing an unborn child to die. Even a 21 year old can find a 10 year old attractive legally. But if they rape the 10 year old, there should be legal prosecution.
There are plenty of stories about children loving their adult partner. However, those stories dont make it to the mainstream media.
They would I think if there was a court case over it. Every convict gets due process. If the child was screaming to not prosecute their adult mate, not all of society would be against pedophillia.
Autonomy is not just about person's current choices, but also about his future choices. So if we know that a person will regret something, then better not do that.
This same argument can be used to ban adult sex with minors.
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@Best.Korea
If child likes being with an adult and never regrets it, should that adult be punished?
In the extremely rare event that the child never regrets it, the adult should not be punished. However, these situations are extremely rare and if the child NEVER regrets it, they aren’t going to court over it. It’s like speeding (kind of). Don’t let officers know what you’re doing by getting into a car crash and you could break the law and get away with it. A therapist I talked to argued 8 year olds would NEVER consent to sex. He’s the medical expert; he knows better than most would.
If we look at example of Afghanistan where child marriages are common, but also where marriage is valued, we see that Afghanistan has lower amount of STI, STD, lower amount of divorce and lower amount of suicides than USA.
They also have a much more religious society than the US where divorce and sex outside of marriage is less accepted than it is here. I even think it’s illegal and you get whipped for it. We should not be copying Afghanistan.
Marriage would likely not end in divorce. There is an attachment that grows over time between an adult and a child. It doesnt stop when child becomes adult.
If this was the case, then the adult would ALSO have an attraction to adults. Usually, the age range people are attracted to is close to their age. You see old men with old women and young men with young women. It’s very rare for old men to be with young women or vice versa. This is because as a man ages, the women he’s attracted too age at a similar rate.
If the adult is kind and friendly to the child and doesnt force a child to anything, then child will like that adult.
If an adult wants to hang out with a kid he’s not related to, it is what it is. However, I think less than .1% of 8 year olds like giving head to adult men.