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Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
- Now that seems like the perfect verse to bring up in a debate to defend your case. What would be the resolution? Islam & Violence, or Islam & Freedom of Though, or maybe Islam vs Secularism... lots of options.


Muhammad's religious career spanned 23 years. He started as an oppressed preacher and ended up as a powerful ruler. During this time he was many things, played many roles, displayed many emotions, and performed many deeds, both good and bad.
But did he act as a terrorist? That is our focus and we have to review the historical record and examine its facts. I will cite incidents directly from the historical records mentioned above and present my case. I'll summarize 5 incidents for examination and I'll provide their specific references. There are more to choose from but these five should be sufficient.
1) Attacks on the caravans.
Muhammad began to commit and authorize acts of violence against non-Muslims after he arrived in Medina. This was in his 13th year as a religious preacher. Prior to this, while in Mecca, he and his followers were quite weak and unable to commit acts of violence. Had they attempted violence the Meccans would have killed Muhammad outright and possibly killed all of Muhammad’s followers.
Eventually the persecution became severe and Muhammad fled Mecca running for his life. After arriving in Medina he sent his men out to rob trading caravans. (At this time his Meccan enemies decided to leave him alone. Their perspective was that their problem had run away and they were done with him - good riddance! Tabari’s History states that it was Muhammad’s attacks on their caravans that started the war between Muhammad and the Meccans). As these raids continued caravan attendants were murdered by the Muslim thieves and Muhammad's attacks transgressed the cultural norms and Arab mores’ of warfare. To justify his crimes Muhammad claimed to have received a special message, a "revelation", from Allah. You can read about this in Tabari Vol. 7 pp10-22 and LoM pp281-289.
Put this in perspective. Muhammad's attacks against these caravans are akin to highwaymen's robberies. They hold up trucks carrying goods and in some cases murder the drivers. But unlike normal criminals, Muhammad claimed to get a special message from God allowing his actions.
Is this a moral standard to be followed?

2) Murder of an old man.
Muhammad was not received by all the inhabitants of Medina. Many people rejected his claim of prophethood. Some of these people were concerned for their fellow citizens and spoke out about the false prophet who had duped them. One of these was a 120-year-old man named Abu Afak. Abu Afak did nothing more then speak his heart and mind and chide those that followed Muhammad. He viewed Muhammad like people today view leaders of religious cults and encouraged his fellow citizens to doubt. Muhammad could not tolerate any criticism of his claim to prophethood and he asked his followers to murder Abu Afak. Abu Afak was murdered, under cover of night, while he slept. A Muslim plunged a sword through the old man’s chest. You can read more details about this murder here: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/abu-afak.htm
There is little difference between what Muhammad did to Abu Afak and what Saddam Hussein has done to his critics. Of course at that time Muhammad did not rule the country, so like an illegitimate criminal he acted furtively, and the end result was the same. In Medina if you challenged Muhammad's credibility you would most likely be murdered for it. You can read about this in LoM p675, and Tabaqat Vol 2 p32.

3) Murder of a mother of five children.
One lady, Asma bint Marwan, spoke out about Muhammad’s cold-blooded murder. She chided her tribesmen for allowing him to get away with it. Again Muhammad faced criticism. Again he could not brook it. Again he asked his followers to murder. Again a Muslim man, under cover of night, snuck up to the victim’s home and stabbed her to death. Her children slept nearby. You can read more details about this murder here: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/asma.htm
Do you believe that Muhammad was so threatened by this woman that he had to murder her?

4) Murder of a shopkeeper.
Muhammad was not able to get along with non-Muslims very well. His relationship with the Jewish tribes deteriorated quickly. Muhammad was very unhappy that the Jews rejected his claim of prophethood and he wanted to silence their criticisms. An incident follows:
"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'" (LoM page 369).
This story is also detailed in the Hadith collection of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996:
Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.
(The Sunan of Abu Dawud is a collection of "traditions" or anecdotes, mostly about Muhammad’s specific actions or teachings).
Muhammad’s command was bigoted, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power"Muhammad was not looking to mete out justice, instead he was looking to murder and terrorize those that rejected his prophethood. This is akin to the fundamentalist Muslims today who say, "Kill any American, or Britain, or Jew, ..." whoever is their enemy of the day. The Muslim terrorists of today are doing what Muhammad did earlier.
Is this low standard worth emulating? Hasn’t humanity done better?

4) Torture and murder of a man to obtain wealth.
Earlier I quoted Sina and his reference to Muhammad’s conquest of Kheibar. Here is one sordid detail from this conquest:
"Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"), to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud." (LoM page 515).
Let’s review. Muhammad attacked and conquered Kheibar. It was rumored that there was buried wealth or treasure. Muhammad had one of the Jewish leaders, Kinana, brought to him and demanded the wealth. Kinana said he didn’t know of it. But Muhammad’s greed drove him and he ordered that Kinana be tortured. They built a fire on his chest hoping to cause him enough pain and suffering to make him talk. But Kinana never told them about any buried wealth. In the end Muhammad ordered that he be beheaded.
Is this a great example for humanity to trust in and follow?
You can read more in-depth about this event here: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/kinana.htm

CONCLUSION
Was Muhammad a terrorist? Of course he was. You’ve seen the information quoted exclusively from Islamic source materials. And there are many more crimes committed by Muhammad that could be detailed. To keep this article brief I only listed five. Yes Muhammad was a terrorist, and yes, terrorism is allowed in Islam. And yes, Fundamentalist Muslims are in a state of war with all those who reject Islam and terrorism is a legitimate weapon for their use.
If you want to do more in-depth study of violence and "jihad" in Islam, how it developed and changed over time, you can read this long, detailed article: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/jihad.htm

- All the above is very useful material to use in a debate. You're already half way there to establish your case. I suppose the resolution should be about the beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Prophet Muhammed Is A Terrorist? or Prophet Muhammed Is Violent -or Peaceful? Or maybe Muhammed Is A True Prophet?... So many options!


Challenge others first then, I am not sure what you are talking about buddy.
- You're perfectly willing to make arguments in the Forum, Debate is just one click away... I have made several challenges before, including to you. All gone unaccepted. Hoping things will look up in the future.


I step into the ring every single week nowadays, you?
- To bully weak debaters. 


You're having your first.
- I wouldn't say that. Maybe in this particular website.
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@PREZ-HILTON
That is good advice, but I am 40 and studies seem to show that once you hit 40 your kids are more likely to have cognitive impairments. 
- This applies to women. Unless I am mistaken, you are a male. 


Actually Bacha Bazi was such a predominant problem that soldiers were often warned against intervening because they said it was just Muslim culture and that's just what Muslims do.
I apologize. I believe Bacha Bazi was mostly just a practice in Afghanistan and the Islamic Taliban gained popularity because they promised not only to end the degeneracy of raping boys like the faggots in Afghanistan do, but also they fought to end the degeneracy of opium production as well. 

It seems islam was a factor in reducing those things until the U. S. Government stepped in and kind of ruined that
- I was about to tear that sh*t apart, but you retracted. Cool. 
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@Yassine
This applies to women. Unless I am mistaken, you are a male. 
It has more of an affect on women but new studies are coming out that say a father's DNA at that age effects it as well. 
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@Yassine
Complete and total obfuscation to the question, redirects and tries to make it about me. What a waste of life talking to you was.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It has more of an affect on women but new studies are coming out that say a father's DNA at that age effects it as well. 
- I am very skeptical. I know of 70 year olds having healthy babies. 
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@sadolite
Complete and total obfuscation to the question, redirects and tries to make it about me. What a waste of life talking to you was.
- You read my mind. 

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I seen older people have healthy baby's as well. There is a case to be made that the extra risk is minimal and I should ignore it. I did have 2 sons and feel like I did something to at least prevent the demographic slide, but I should have had more. 

I know I am not in a position where it is a good ideal at the moment and as my real life and this online persona are starting to blend I will refrain from stating why I don't think it's a good ideal to give my child's mother more children. 
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@Yassine
Concedes that he doesn't know what he is saying or understand his own beliefs. 
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Concedes that he doesn't know what he is saying or understand his own beliefs. 
- Glad you're realizing your confusion. 

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Islam is a peaceful religion. You should all accept muslims. They are nice. In fact, islam should be mandatory. Islam is a religion of peace.

Killing is ALLOWED only in "SELF DEFENSE" when atheists "ATTACK" islam.

Its not like muslims have different understanding of the word "ATTACK" and "SELF DEFENSE".
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Yes, its hard to understand someone who doesn't know or remember  what the fuck they are talking about.

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People are mad at Yassine about this thread but he isn’t wrong at all. No matter what you think of them as ideas, the worldviews and lifestyles held and practiced by most people in the west are evolutionarily not competitive. If you hate religious conservatism and “backwards” social ideas getting outbred by those people like 2-1 should be a serious concern

The only area where he’s wrong is that this revolution is probably going to come to the Islamic world as well but I really don’t know enough about it to say. 
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An example of what Yassine is talking about: 

My wife’s grandfather and mine were born in the exact same year almost a century ago. Hers was a devoutly religious Catholic who had ten children and mine was your average pretty secular, urban dweller. Hers currently has over 60 living descendants, over 10x as many as mine. 

Their parents were born about the same time in the 1890s. My grandfather was an only child so my great grandparents have the same number of descendants as he does. My wife’s great grandparents had five kids who all had five or more children each except for one who became a priest. Idk how many total descendants they have but it’s probably close to 150-200. Of course not all of them are Catholic or religious at all or conservative but that sort of trend still represents a massive genetic change 
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People are mad at Yassine about this thread but he isn’t wrong at all. No matter what you think of them as ideas, the worldviews and lifestyles held and practiced by most people in the west are evolutionarily not competitive. If you hate religious conservatism and “backwards” social ideas getting outbred by those people like 2-1 should be a serious concern
- The truly backwards ideas are those that lead to Human extinction. Indeed, an unsustainable idea can strictly never be "forward", by definition, for the simple fact that it will not be there at the end. Liberal lifestyle is a doomed lifestyle, to self-destruction. 


The only area where he’s wrong is that this revolution is probably going to come to the Islamic world as well but I really don’t know enough about it to say. 
- Not sure what you mean by this. I said this revolution will *not* to the Islamic World. 


Their parents were born about the same time in the 1890s. My grandfather was an only child so my great grandparents have the same number of descendants as he does. My wife’s great grandparents had five kids who all had five or more children each except for one who became a priest. Idk how many total descendants they have but it’s probably close to 150-200. Of course not all of them are Catholic or religious at all or conservative but that sort of trend still represents a massive genetic change 
- The religious people in the West need to realize the simple game at play & stop whining about Liberals. Instead, they should start making as many babies as possible & wait for the others to go extinct.