Gay Mafia DP1

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Honestly... this only makes me more suspicious of you. I pushed back aggressively because I wanted to see how you would react. I find it strange you would drop it so quickly if you were suspicious of me, since you would get a similar response from either town or scum.

False. OMGUS is one of the biggest town tells if you can read it right. It's also largely the basis for my town read on Pie.

It's kinda in the name, if you think about it. You wouldn't suck for voting mafia. This game is all ego, about cutting losses where people can't actually read. OMGUS, voting someone for being "anti town," for being bad, anything like that - all big town tells. You're pushing the loss on the next person. 
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I'd rather TUF or Earth at this point, but I'm ok with getting a claim from BK just to move things along. 
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What's TUF?
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All I’m wondering is what was unclear to you from the guide and what did the AI say?
I obviously did not save what AI said, but I can recreate it easily.

I asked questions like:

"In forum mafia game, is scum and mafia the same?"

"In forum mafia game, how to win"

"In forum mafia game, how to figure out who is scum"

"In forum mafia, how many players are town"

"In forum mafia, how many players are scums"

"In forum mafia, what roles does town usually get" 

And many more. You asked for AI answers for this. Ok, wait a second and I will post it.
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TUF is Lunatic.
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I obviously did not save what AI said, but I can recreate it easily.

I asked questions like:

"In forum mafia game, is scum and mafia the same?"

"In forum mafia game, how to win"

"In forum mafia game, how to figure out who is scum"

"In forum mafia, how many players are town"

"In forum mafia, how many players are scums"

"In forum mafia, what roles does town usually get" 

And many more. You asked for AI answers for this. Ok, wait a second and I will post it.
This shit is funny.
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in forum mafia, how many are mafia



In a standard game of Forum Mafia, the number of mafia players can vary, but it is typically around 1/3 to 1/4 of the total player count. For example, if there are 10 players in the game, there could be 3-4 mafia members. The exact number depends on the specific rules of the game and can be adjusted to balance the game.


did Best.Korea ask you how to play forum mafia?



As an AI language model, I don't have access to information about specific interactions with individuals. However, I'm capable of explaining the rules and mechanics of Forum Mafia if that's what you're looking for.
Worth a shot.
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This is what AI said, I just pasted it one by one:

"In forum mafia games, scum are a group of players who are working together to deceive and manipulate the other players. The goal of the scum is to deceive and manipulate the other players. The scum can also use their knowledge of the game and the other players to their advantage. They can make false accusations, spread misinformation and generally sow chaos"

"In forum mafia games, the players are divided into two groups: the Town and the Mafia. The Town consists of players who are trying to identify and eliminate the Mafia, while the Mafia consists of players who are trying to deceive and manipulate the Town to their own advantage. The Town can win the game if they are able to identify and eliminate all of the Mafia players, while the Mafia can win the game if they are able to deceive the Town and manipulate them into voting for an innocent player."

"In order to win a forum mafia game, you need to be able to outwit and outmaneuver your opponents. The goal of the game is to identify and eliminate the scum players while preventing them from manipulating the Town. To do this, you need to be able to read the game and make accurate predictions about who the scum are, as well as use your knowledge of the game and the other players to your advantage. Additionally, you should also be able to make strategic decisions about when to make accusations and when to abstain from voting. Finally, you should be able to work with the other Town players to coordinate your efforts and make sure that you are all working towards the same goal."
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More from AI:

"Figuring out who the scum are in a forum mafia game can be a difficult task, but there are a few strategies you can use to increase your chances of success.
The first strategy is to pay close attention to the behavior of the players. It's important to look for clues in the players' posts and actions that may indicate which players are scum. For example, scum players often try to divert attention away from themselves by making false accusations and spreading misinformation. They may also try to form alliances with other players, or be overly aggressive in their posts. Additionally, look for players who make suspiciously contradictory or suspiciously similar posts, as this may indicate scum players trying to manipulate the game.
Another strategy is to analyze the voting patterns of the players. Look for players who are consistently voting against Town players and attempting to lynch them, as these are often scum players. Also, look for players who are consistently voting with scum players in an attempt to get them lynched, as well as players who are voting randomly or abstaining from voting.
Finally, you can look for players who are using the game mechanics to their advantage. This could include players who are using the night phase to their advantage, such as scum players who are using their night actions to target Town players. Additionally, look for players who are using the game mechanics to manipulate the Town, such as scum players who are trying to manipulate the voting patterns to get Town players lynched.
By paying close attention to the behavior of the players, analyzing their voting patterns, and looking for players who are using the game mechanics to their advantage, you can increase your chances of correctly identifying the scum players in a forum mafia game."
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Just to clarify, I used YouChat AI.
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That's a pretty good beginners guide TBH
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Approximately 24 hours remaining

VOTE Count

Austin (1/5)- lunatic
Best.korea (2/5)- ILikePie5, mharman
Mharman (1/5)- Badger
Badger (1/5)- Austin
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@Mharman
Gonna try to catch a bit tonight and some tmrw
This is not true. Mod confirmed you are a new player and I am not saying you are not a new player. Please reread what I said
Could you clarify what you meant, then?
Wylted in his OP said that BK is a noob and should be helped. By MOD CONFIRMATION, he is new to mafia.
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@badger
For someone brand new to the game, this game is first a maths problem. For all the rest of us, it's solved. We know it's probably 6-2. We know it's never going to be 5-3. But BK doesn't. He would have known if he was mafia. I also really like the fact that it's earlier thinking he's outlining for us. He's not posting just to post. A new townie would have been thinking about that stuff at game start. If that's mafia, it's good. 

I like this explanation of BK a lot. I still have concerns with BK behavior which I will analyze later on tonight or tomorrow, but this a good point I thought I should point to as a reference to why I do not have a slight scum, rather a FOS
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Ik it's gonna sound piggybacking asf but I genuinely was trying to find an example that badger stated
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@Mharman
This is going to be a dissection of Mharman's post since that it was sticks out on pg 5 about BK because there are some things I agree and disagree with it
1. The whole "Idk what to do" thing in Post #6, only to be followed up by a lot of comments that look like he's pretty sure of himself (a new example of this contradiction is found every time they post).
I don't think this is a scum/town tell. When I first played mafia I wanted to learn about the game and tried to use the best types of logic that may or may not have been right. It looked like I new the game but I did not know the basics. In mafia and debating, you need to be sure of yourself and assess confidence when playing, and I do not think it's scum/town
2. The immediate town read of you in Post #7 based on your research. I'm not saying that announcing research is inherently scummy, but it's not inherently towny, either. It's not something that we can use to evaluate affiliation. At first, I said it was only slightly scummy because it could just be bad/inconsistent noob logic, but then they go on to call out the illogical parts of Lunatic's sus on you, and then assert in Post #56 that Lunatic is scum because his instant scumread (as B.K perceives it, more on this in a second) on you is irrational. Yet, they ignore how their instant townread on you would be just as irrational.

So it's not really that B.K's poor logic is the problem, it's the fact that they give so much thought to the idea of logic, EXCEPT when they make a conclusion. With that in mind, the fact that they instantly called you "town" and than instantly called the one person who disagreed "scum" reeks of buddying.
I do agree with this take that I believe BK is buddying following the reason you provided. Hopping on a wagon with similar reasonings to one users. However, while it is a reason for FOS (and why I have a FoS on BK), it is not a reason enough of itself to vote BK.
3. The whole "testing reactions" thing (as he claimed in Posts #54 and #61 looked legit to me for a bit, until I noticed how he did it. When he set up his "test" in Post #10, Lunatic didn't even respond to the vote itself (instead focusing on you), and yet by Post #19 they were already calling Lunatic "scum." While they gave a different reason than their "test" in Post #19, he makes it clear in Post #56 that Lunatic's focus on you in Post #13 was a failure of his "test."

Not to mention the fact that Lunatic didn't even say you were scum; he only said in Post #13 and reiterated in Post #29 that you COULD be scum, based on you being a noob. Was it dumb? Yes. But it wasn't outright saying you were scum, as B.K claimed.

It's completely unfair to test someone's reaction, and then say their lack of reaction is scummy, especially when the person conducting the test is exaggerating claims of "accusation." Again, one could chalk this up to poor logic, but for the same reason from earlier, I don't think that excuse holds up anymore. It's basically a test where Lunatic was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
I'm just a bit confused about this point. Can you reiterate this for me?

4. The idea in Posts #56 and #61 that Lunatic, Pie, and Supa are all somehow scum because they "baited" those three all into "uniting against" them. Ignoring the fact that they're basically claiming Pie and Supa also failed their "test," it is ridiculous to assert this game has 3 mafiosos, especially in Posts #65 and #69 after being told in Posts #62 and #68 how unfair a 5v3 would be. And of course, it's all to justify that idea that B.K somehow "baited" 3 players who made an observation that B.K might know a bit more than thought into failing his "test." It's all way too convenient. To me, it just looks like they're expanding their lynch pool.

I like this point and again, is another reason why I have an FOS on BK. It feels to me that the lynch pool is trying to expand to the greatest amount, which is inherently scummy. As town, you want to limit the lynch pool to have assurance in your lynches based on what town believes to be probable
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I agree that BK has FoS for sure, but I can easily write this off to angst and overall nerves about playing and a level of newness that may make him unaware of the some of the things he committed. Plus, with your vote on him, unless we are specifically need a vote, I don't think it's enough evidence to suggest a vote at this stage
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What are your thoughts on badger's alignment?
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@Best.Korea
Supa also claims wylted is playing tricks and that I am not a new player. Later, Supa claimed that he didnt say how I wasnt new. However, he did in post 37, 38 and 40.


How many times do I have to say that I never stated you are not a new player. I floated the idea, but my belief is still with that
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Badgers play seems a bit fos. I do not like the back and forth and drastic shift between reads. For one, having a vtl on mhar to then changing him to top town read reeks of inconsistency that I have seen him do as town. I think Mhars post is very town telling considering he put the time and effort into it, but enough to say that he's top town read?? I'm not so sure
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I'm a bit tired to do more in depth analysis of each. But I will say the reads I have... 


Slight town
- Austin
- Luna
- Mhar

Null
- Earth
-Pie

Slight Scum
- badger
- Best.Korea

I can go into more detail tmrw
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Slight scum is FOS btw
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Earth has low activity. Other than 1 comment about me being an alt, he didnt post anything else. It doesnt make sense.

Supa continues with his lies. After I pointed him to the posts where he made an obvious claim of me not being new, he resorts to denying it. However, he never explained what he meant by things he said in post 37, 38, and 40. 
Next, he focuses on my "expanding lynch pool". However, what I did was not "expanding" any kind of lynch pool. I already explained that we are short on time and that we have to group people by probability of them being scum. The fact that he ignored my explanation is suspicious.
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Who do you actually FOS?
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I'll unvote for now. I'd prefer to vote someone other than BK (and myself obviously) but that seems to be the way things are going here. I'm down for getting BK's claim. 

As to drastic changes, this game is just a little trickier to read than usual,  although I do think it'll come together eventually. I also don't have so much time to dedicate to this game so I'm just firing from the hip a little bit. I do think my reads are coming together though. 
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We should probably be NL'ing here anyway, better to ML at 7 people. But I am way too impatient for that, I want to start finding stuff out now.

Ya know what would be cool actually, is something like Flash Mafia. If we had a bunch of games that were easily searchable, screenshots of DDO games maybe, and people would send their guesses to a mod about who they think the mafia are just from reading a few pages, then getting points on a scoreboard. Cumulative points across a bunch of different games. 

Like a one DP and done kinda thing. Or rounds of one DP, even just a few pages from one DP. 
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@badger
Who do you actually FOS?
I will read the thread over one more time and then I will give my final conclusion on who I think is most likely scum.
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Okay, I cant stop thinking about Earth's post.

Is BK even a new member? Seems like they could be an alt. Also kinda strange. I'm hanged up on their theme post, while they also seemed to do some research. I'm leaning towards town, however.
He claims at the end "I am leaning towards town".
But everything he says before that claim implies the opposite.

He made this one confusing post telling us basically nothing, and then went completely inactive.

This is not a behavior of town player.
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I'm big null on Earth, which is annoying tbh. 
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Wylted in his OP said that BK is a noob and should be helped. By MOD CONFIRMATION, he is new to mafia
What? Did Wylted track BK's IP to make sure?
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Future note: never say that you are a new player.