What are some big things you’ve changed your mind about?

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People’s views on politics and public policy evolve all the time. What are the biggest political issues you’ve changed your mind about in the past 3-4 years?

Some of mine:

  • I used to think that for social sanctions (e.g., removing people from social spaces or “canceling them,” all the way up to more serious social consequences like official reprimands on the job), due process is not necessary for allegations of sexual misconduct, and that false allegations were unbelievably rare. I’ve changed my mind now, and think due process is necessary (although sexual harassment is common and efforts to reduce it are also very important). 
  • I had a brief period where I thought European countries, as well as many Asian countries, were sensible to ban hate speech. I now think the US system, with First Amendment-level protections, is ideal, and should be implemented across the rest of the world. 
  • I’ve become a decent bit more “tough-on-crime.” I always used to support efforts to hire police officers, but I now think there’s a reasonable case for higher sentences for violent crimes in countries with relatively low sentences (although with substantial investments aimed at making prison a less shitty place) and substantial investments in the police. That said, I still lean progressive on criminal justice issues (e.g., support significant police reform and banning police unions in most countries, support substantially shorter sentences or no sentences at all for nonviolent crimes). 
  • I used to think all drugs should be legalized. I now think drug use should be decriminalized, but the sale and production of hard drugs should be illegal. 
  • I used to be heavily non-interventionist with foreign policy, broadly being anti-war, and in particular, opposing many Western/NATO efforts to get involved in international armed conflicts (such as the War on Terror and the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan). More broadly, I used to think U.S. hegemony was unnecessary. I’m now pretty convinced that U.S. hegemony is good, that the U.S. should maintain current levels of military spending, a strong NATO alliance is good, aggressive counterterrorism operations like drone strikes are probably net beneficial, and while, in general, intervention aimed at regime change seems like a bad idea, it was justified in the 2001 case in Afghanistan (despite the Taliban taking back power in 2021).
  • While I remain very wary about the geopolitical implications of the rise of China (and support efforts to contain its rise in the technology and defense-adjacent sectors specifically, such as semiconductor export controls), I’m happy the rise of China has led to increased foreign aid spending by both the West and China, as well as domestic economic growth that’s lifted millions out of poverty in China itself, and I think a lot of concerns like “debt trap diplomacy” are wrong/exaggerated (although I do think China’s spending abroad has often facilitated White Elephants, like the SGR in Kenya). 
  • I was pretty convinced that the Washington Consensus was good, and that neoliberalism, broadly construed, was the path for developing countries to go from poverty to prosperity. I’ve become much more well-versed in the literature now, and while I think the Washington Consensus was likely (with high uncertainty) preferable to the alternative of import substitution industrialization, pure free markets and trade don’t cut it -- some degree of industrial policy, specifically export promotion, is often necessary for developing countries to grow, especially through manufacturing. 
  • That said, in the past few months, I’ve become a bit more pessimistic about the prospects for growth driven by manufacturing exports and infrastructure in Sub-Saharan Africa. This piece by David Ndii offers a compelling argument that the export- and infrastructure-led approach has failed throughout the continent, and the focus should be boosting agricultural productivity. (However, here’s a counterargument by Noah Smith, if you’re interested.) 
That should be a good start to get the discussion going!

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The biggest thing I changed my mind about was that either American political party uniquely stands for any issue. I now realize both parties at different times will endorse or deny the same policies, meaning they are essentially a unified party playing good cop bad cop on the American public.
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1.) Stopped believing in god

2.) Stopped believing the market we see is determined by productivity and started believing in an international cabal of war mongers operating a loosely associated machine made of large corporations that use government force to stay on top and governments that use these large corporations to steer public opinion and economics, i.e. the deep state AKA the military industrial complex AKA the original gangsta fascist economic theory

There are plenty of moments where I came to new conclusions that were very important from then on, but these were the only real "changed my mind", as in I held a strong opinion before and then I reversed it.
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2. Yep.
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3-4 years ago I thought Trump was an incompetent lunatic criminal and all of his supporters were wack job idiots, but now I...oh wait, that hasn't changed...nevermind.
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Hello. My name is SkepticalOne and I used to be a fan of Ted Cruz. I'm feeling much better now.

I used to be for minimal government intervention in business and in the lives of the governed. Somewhere in the back of my head I thought capitalism was the solution to any problem.  I used to be for civil unions, school vouchers and against abortions. Now, I think regulation is crucial and not done enough.  Capitalism isn't appropriate for some things like healthcare, prisons, education, etc. if it is appropriate for anything at all. We should take cues from some of those 'evil' socialists countries. I'm for marriage equality, public schools, and reproductive freedom. 

I think you get the idea: Fuck Ted Cruz.
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Definetly the climate change. I really got bought into what Greta Thumberg said about all this stuff but fortunately at the end I realized it was a hoax of the left wing to impose their political agenda. I couldn't believe it.

And we can prove that looking through Greta's new book, about climate change, you'll see it's full of lefty language. It's disgusting and despicable how this kid is manipulated by her lefty parents. it's not her fault of course, this baby face is autistic and she is just being manipulated. Poor girl.
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I used to think that junk food is okay. I used to think that meat is okay.
Now I know that veganism is much superior in both price and effectiveness, plus suitable for self-reliance. Even if the rest of society disappeared, I would still survive since I am not dependent on society and I can gather lots of food in the wild.

I used to think that there is no difference between an atheist and a Christian. Now I know that the result of atheism is an increase in evil, since many people need God to keep them in order.

I used to think that education system can be fixed. Now I know it cant be fixed. The entire idea is a failure.

I used to think that prisons are necessary. Now I know they are a waste of resources and they are places where bullying and rape happen more. They are torture centers.

I used to think that capitalism will collapse by 2050. Now I think it will collapse by 2030.

I used to think that abortion is not a big deal. Now I know that a woman has no justification for killing her own child.
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I used to be a Democrat. 

The thought was simple really. Democrats promote everyone should be happy, and I was happy with that.
But once I got more into politics, I realized, that certain things cost a lot of money, and spending all this money, helping people would in actuality hurt them more. 
I understood that, and so I then wondered why the politicians who were pushing this stuff did not. After all, didn't they want the best for everyone?.......................

I also did more research into psychological experiments, and history and how governments took control of society, the way they do it. I then did more research into our government, and realized that the democratic party's leaders showed signs of a corrupt government, and the more I looked into it, the more I saw. Then I started to see certain things that were just perverse, and horrible, that on the outside looked like a fun, and good thing.

For example, all of my old friends were democrats, and on the outside it all looked fun and like a good thing, when we hung out. But in reality, half of them were addicted to drugs, pornography, and other crap like that, and were constantly defending it and affirming each other that those things were fine. 

But yea thats basically the big shift for me. 


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lol, nice "get off my lawn kids" post
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i can honestly say that in the past 4 years that i havent changed my mind about anything. God changed my mind about somethings however.
1: Faith in humanity. He taught me that its not the human mind or body or heart i should believe in, but his spirit inside them leading them toward good.
2: Evil is militant. I once believed that everyone could change, and while it is possible, God has shown me that its by him alone good is done. Man would be committing greater evils, fighting and moving towards destruction by satan, if God didnt have grace toward us and restrain us from satans goal.
3: education and knowledge is worthless compared to knowledge of God. nuance is required with this one, i used to believe that education was essential and that life has to follow particular phases and steps. God has taught me otherwise, that while knowledge is good and so is understanding, that knowledge and faith of Jesus Christ is better in every way compared to any other knowledge.

God still isnt done teaching me yet, and he will never stop.
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The most important thing God changed my mind about however, is to wait on him.

when i was younger, i was zealous, more impatient and emotional. I let my heart guide me into doing what i thought was good. It turned out that what i was  doing was evil.
God taught me to wait on him and ask his favor before i make any decision in life, a life made unstable by emotions will crash and burn. A life decided by what our hearts think is right will lead us to a wilderness of our own making.

Wait upon the Lord, he will give you strength and direction to do what is right and most benefical for humanity.
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I'm fairly anti-drugs these days. Otherwise I was spot on. 
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One of my biggest changes is the outlook on war.

As a young man, war seemed glorious.  You are the hero.  Unstoppable.  Bulletproof.  Conquer the enemy for the good of your country.

Now, I realize that many wars are fought because leaders argue about politics and confiscation of resources.  All our young men and women go over seas to die and the homeland is stuck in financial straights while the elites are living it up in their big chairs with freezers full of food.  Curse our corrupt leaders!  Especially the one's who are war hawks!  We should send them as the lead into battle and not our kids.
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I don't think I'll be able to satisfy the three-to-four year scope.

  • But if we widen the parameters over several years (a couple of decades even,) I can tell you that I went from, ideologically, a Libertarian minarchist to an Anarchist/AnarchoCapitalist. My subscription to anarchism hasn't changed much over the last 20+ years.
  • I used to be "Pro-Life," but it presented a contradiction with my subscription to individualist philosophy. So I'm Pro-Choice.
  • I believe cartels for labor like the Teamsters, American Medical Association, etc. should be abolished.
  • The United Nations as well as the Council of Foreign Relations should be abolished.
  • I once "flirted" with Atheism until I realized it didn't make me "smarter."
  • The CIA program known as "Project MK Ultra" was never discontinued.
  • I believe, for lack of a better term, the "Elite" are a group of Kabbalists, Wiccan, NeoPagan, Druid, Saturnian, Masonic, Satanist, Luciferian Pansexuals who have carefully placed their ranks in positions of influence from the Papacy, to the Presidency of the United States, to Hollywood executives, even to your local doctor who you may have noticed has the caduceus staff monogrammed on his/her lab coat for no explicable reason. The "Illuminati" is merely a smokescreen.




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The biggest thing I changed my mind about was that either American political party uniquely stands for any issue. I now realize both parties at different times will endorse or deny the same policies, meaning they are essentially a unified party playing good cop bad cop on the American public.

2.) Stopped believing the market we see is determined by productivity and started believing in an international cabal of war mongers operating a loosely associated machine made of large corporations that use government force to stay on top and governments that use these large corporations to steer public opinion and economics, i.e. the deep state AKA the military industrial complex AKA the original gangsta fascist economic theory
Well stated.
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Nothing has really changed for me politicly other than what I do believe politically has been reinforced 10 fold by the actions of politicians and govt. Their words mean nothing.
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Black holes. They are pretty big. I used to think such things couldn't be possible until they are photographed. I wasn't antiscience, I was just very young and wasn't educated on the subject.
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I am less pro choice and less pro trans than I used to be. I also have grown less severely feminist as in I have actually finally seen what the red pill types were saying feminism has become, while also seeing the flaws of far-right MRA red pill types.

Despite those 3 things, I am overall more left wing, not more centrist or right wing, than I was as a teenager, depending what you define it as.

I also grew to loathe filthy rich people more than I used to and to see them as inescapably corrupt and evil because to even operate at that level forces you to succumb to the illuminati and other scummy shit like tax evasion. I have heard of the myth of philanthropist rich cunts but every time I meet them or hear interviews from those close to them, they are always revealed to be cunts/assholes/pricks in disguise.
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Do not be confused by what I said. I can easily work alongside trans people, or those that had an abortion and those that are filthy rich as my very own boss but I hold all 3 at arm's length, the filthy rich the most of all.

Do not be confused, I can hate you even (and those 3 I do not necessarily hate except the super rich one probably) and be the best colleague you ever worked alongside. Try see me outside work and you'll realise where the boundary is.

It perhaps is another way I changed, I do not feel incapable of being fake and sociable anymore, it does ofc eat at me but not as much.

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I have a question for you.  Did you vote at some point in your life, and do you still vote?  
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Ya, I vote in every election. Haven't missed a local or federal election since I have been able to vote.  I vote not because I think voting will change anything. I vote because millions of people died for the privilege to vote. Unfortunately the voting process has been made a mockery joke. But I will still continue to vote out of respect to the people who died defending the privilege. Out of all the times I have voted, there have only been two people i voted for that didn't make me want to throw up in my mouth when doing so.  Actually 3 now, Desantis didn't make me want to puke.
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I’ve gone through many major changes, but in just the last 3-4 years? Mainly these items:

That climate change needs to be acknowledged and addressed in earnest by the global community. After hearing that a global shutdown from COVID barely made a dent in climate change, it made me seriously question what would mitigate it? Now, it seems as though attempts at a “cure” are as bad or worse than the disease itself. Much of the green movement seems like mere virtue signaling or a sort of secular religion or a gateway towards socialism. We humans are much better at adaptation than prevention realistically.

That the science and medical communities are above the fray of politics and avoid commingling science with political agendas. After a group of doctors announced that BLM protesters could crowd together without masks because “racism is a greater threat than COVID,” I was dispelled of that idealistic notion.
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  • I’ve become a decent bit more “tough-on-crime.” I always used to support efforts to hire police officers, but I now think there’s a reasonable case for higher sentences for violent crimes in countries with relatively low sentences (although with substantial investments aimed at making prison a less shitty place) and substantial investments in the police. That said, I still lean progressive on criminal justice issues (e.g., support significant police reform and banning police unions in most countries, support substantially shorter sentences or no sentences at all for nonviolent crimes). 
I think part of what causes the tough on crime v soft on crime issue is that prison just isn’t a good punishment for a lot of crimes. It tends to make violent criminals worse since it basically destroys lives and allows them to “network” with other criminals. It just seems cruel for non violent criminals. I would take literally any flogging/beating that I would eventually recover from that allow me to go about my life afterward over a prison sentence of any length that would basically destroy my life.

On the other hand there absolutely are people who are so violent and so beyond redemption that they must be physically separated from the rest of society if you don’t want to kill them. I haven’t figured out yet exactly what the perfect solution is but it makes sense that peoples views would move back and forth based on which of these values seems more pressing at any given time, Justice and fairness when crime is low vs the need for order once crime starts going up because violent criminals are being released 

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I used to be a democrat. I saw their best arguments for their beliefs when I was obsessed with Michael Moore, the. I started reading conservative philosophers and saw how stupid my beliefs were. 
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Some things I’ve changed my thinking on in recent years: 

-Trump: 

He sucks 

-“The right always loses”

I used to believe this but it’s just not true. On the issues that GOP elites actually care about, like guns, abortion, tax cuts, or getting right wing judges, they fight like lions and they often win. The problem is that a lot of the stuff the GOP base cares about, GOP elites do not care about. 

-Immigration 

I used to be almost obsessively anti immigration. I’m still anti immigration but I view it with a sort of grim fatalism now. People the world over will support literally anything to keep service workers coming and to keep old age pensions solvent. US legal immigration levels are actually not that high relative to the population. 

The big demographic change in the US happened because of illegal immigration/birthright citizenship and natives not having kids. The establishment line about “I don’t care as long as they come legally!!” and being “pro-family” was always reasonable, they just failed to actually do these things. Getting citizens to have more kids is of vital importance and not just because of culture or whatever else, we’ll even run out of immigrants in the next generation—at least the type we’ve come to rely on (someone willing to illegally immigrate to wash dishes 12 hours a day) 

-AI:

It might change everything and make all these social issues basically irrelevant 

-Religion:

I’ve gotten more and more religious as time goes on. That might change but me becoming steadily more religious has been happening for about a decade now
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That climate change needs to be acknowledged and addressed in earnest by the global community. After hearing that a global shutdown from COVID barely made a dent in climate change, it made me seriously question what would mitigate it? Now, it seems as though attempts at a “cure” are as bad or worse than the disease itself. Much of the green movement seems like mere virtue signaling or a sort of secular religion or a gateway towards socialism. We humans are much better at adaptation than prevention realistically.
It’s pretty clear that climate change is NOT going to be addressed. We’re under a democratic administration right now and they won’t even tackle low hanging fruit. We just had a multi year forced experiment that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that for most white collar workers the long commute that burns off so much fossil fuel and pollutes so much is NOT NECESSARY. But the government won’t try to push back against companies trying to end work from home. They won’t aggressively promote and fund nuclear power either. 

They will, however, ban incandescent light bulbs. I would rather just skip pointless stuff like this 

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How these figures are obtained is anyone's guess, but it can serve well enough for understanding the trend.  You can see in the third graph that the United States of America as a whole has leveled off, and it's not realistic to expect that reduction in American commutes is going to offset the rest of the world which in general is developing at a faster rate.  Even if we all get a solar panel and bury 100 percent of our carbon emissions into the ground, it's not going to slow things down so much as it is going to shift where it is coming from. 


Look at how much China has grown.  Imagine if that growth takes place somewhere in Africa or South America.




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As for what has changed for me, for one thing I used to listen to NPR, and now my stations have become somewhat off-putting.  When I was still expecting to see employee turnover, I felt almost a sensation of confusion as to how absurd it is to hear subliminal or more explicitly racialized material from someone tasked with public relations.  I expect some people to hold archaic notions, but as I have gotten older I have resolved myself to be decidedly intolerant of racial nonsense rising up through the ranks.  Even for someone without a spine, these days you can say it's bad business.  I just can't relate from my experience to how people with such views have assumed managerial positions in ventures initiated by the federal government.
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Marriage is not recognized by any government in the United States of America.  As a byproduct, one of the side effects we see is common law hanging by a thread. 

I don't see how an aspiring student is supposed to reconcile common law (actual marriage) with the status quo, which is essentially designed for permitting a civil union.  If you insist that the government should involve itself in marital affairs, it has become apparent that society is not currently bound to self-correct.