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If your genitals don't define your gender, then why does removing them affirm your gender? 
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My understanding is that it’s to make the sex more closely match with the gender. Or put another way, to make the mental and physical realities align.

Of course, being transgendered does not assure interest in becoming transsexual.

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Ok, but the same people who get these surgery's done are the same ones who say their genitals don't define them. 
I mean, some people can't afford that surgery or can't get it because of health reasons. 

So, is that person considered with the gender they assign themselves? 

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More penis vagina hang-ups.

If boys cannot afford the dick and bollock surgery, then just carry on with the anal option.

And luckily for the girls, strap-ons are not expensive.
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People used to like to have colorful tattoo thingies on them, and their VW van to show that they are hippie. Really, culture.

Is it good? I guess my ol' richard is not broken yet, and they don't break naturally unless you have some sort of gene problem or car accident or mill lathe accident. So, the point is, I think no.
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People change genders and don't remove their genitals 
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If your genitals don't define your gender, then why does removing them affirm your gender? 
Gender is defined by what you wish to be.

For example, girl who is born in boy's body. She wants to have a vagina. Her penis doesnt define her wish, it merely leaves the wish unfullfilled as long as she doesnt get vagina.

Of course, not all trans remove their genitals.

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People change genders and don't remove their genitals 
My point exactly. 
So why does removing them affirm it. 

Why the push for these surgeries, when simply put, these people who feel like a different gender could just stay how they are, but still be considered that gender. 

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Gender is defined by what you wish to be.

For example, girl who is born in boy's body. She wants to have a vagina. Her penis doesnt define her wish, it merely leaves the wish unfullfilled as long as she doesnt get vagina.

Of course, not all trans remove their genitals.
So, do genitals define gender? 
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As I recall, Freud has often been lampooned for his,
Yet with all this trans movement in modern America. . .

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Though I've never read either myself,
Just a passing thought,
Though I'm doubtful 'most people have either envy.
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Ok, but the same people who get these surgery's done are the same ones who say their genitals don't define them.
Ladies keep telling me all the time that their tits don’t define who they are.
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So, do genitals define gender?
No. The wish of having certain genitals does.
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Because it makes them feel better and they experience sex differently 
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Because of gender dysphoria.
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One of the worst crimes in history will be the enabling and encouragement of genital mutilation in the name of affirming delusions of gender dysphoric rather than gently guiding them to be comfortable as a sissy/femboy male ir butch/macho female.

This makes me sick to my stomach that they are being enabled by a sick agenda and I hate everything about it.
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Ladies keep telling me all the time that their tits don’t define who they are.
But they intrinsically do.

They may not define who they are as a person (personality), but they do literally define who you are. 


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No. The wish of having certain genitals does.
So, if I wish to be 13 years old and have relations with 13-year-olds, does that make me 13 years old, and able to have relations with 13-year-olds?
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Because it makes them feel better and they experience sex differently 
So, why push this on kids then? 
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Gender is defined by Egg and Sperm production.

Whereas, overthink can define anything as anything.

Penis vagina hang-ups are the No1 topic at the mo.

Just masturbate regularly.

I personally define Cats as Dogs.

My Dog is a Cat born into a Dogsbody.
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So, if I wish to be 13 years old and have relations with 13-year-olds, does that make me 13 years old, and able to have relations with 13-year-olds?
Now you are talking about trans age, not trans gender. The two are very different. Of course, I believe that you can identify as a 13 year-old. That would be your trans age. If you are able to date a 13 year old depends on the laws of your country, not on your trans age.
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Just masturbate regularly.
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I don't agree with pushing it on kids
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Now you are talking about trans age, not trans gender. The two are very different.
How so? 

Of course, I believe that you can identify as a 13 year-old. That would be your trans age. If you are able to date a 13 year old depends on the laws of your country, not on your trans age.
No. 
If you accept the idea that a 50-year-old can become a 13-year-old, then you also accept the idea that it should be possible for that 50-year-old to have relations with another 13-year-old. 
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How so?
In consequences.

If you accept the idea that a 50-year-old can become a 13-year-old, then you also accept the idea that it should be possible for that 50-year-old to have relations with another 13-year-old.
It should be legal, yes, but its not. So you cannot do it.
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In consequences.
No, tell me. 
How are gender and age different. 
I am curious to how you will answer this question. 

It should be legal, yes, but its not. So you cannot do it.
You think it should be legal for 50-year-old who identify as 13-year-olds to have sexual relations with 13-year-olds, who are legitimately only 13 years old? 
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No, tell me. 
How are gender and age different.
I am curious to how you will answer this question
Letting person choose his gender doesnt affect anyone badly. Letting person choose his age in most cases is okay, however, when there are issues, such as getting the driver's license, the real age wins over trans age. When there are no issues, person is to be treated according to trans age. If a man thinks he is a 6 year old girl, who am I to tell him that he is not? I respect other people's identities.

You think it should be legal for 50-year-old who identify as 13-year-olds to have sexual relations with 13-year-olds, who are legitimately only 13 years old?
If it does no harm, I dont see why it should be illegal.
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If a man thinks he is a 6 year old girl, who am I to tell him that he is not? 
Factual evidence, of his existence.................

Also, I know your back to your trolling faze again so I won't continue this argument lol.
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Factual evidence, of his existence
That identity doesnt harm anyone. There is no reason for you to not accept it. Your lack of acceptance causes harm. Factual evidence doesnt change the fact that people have identities. People have right to identify as whatever they like.
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Illegal is often irrelevant.

Functionality dictates actions , and can easily override or facilitate conceptuality.
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is penis envy real?