Democrat Voters Think Donald Trump Arrest Is 'Election Interference'

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It's not impossible they made it up. 
It does look sus.

Most likely, the question was very leading...like "Would time spent in court interfere in Trump's ability to get elected?"

Lots of polls use leading questions to drive a narrative result.
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No, I'm no Einstein.
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No, I'm no Einstein.
I'm "no Einstein" either. One can still exercise discipline and argue the subject as opposed to derailing the subject by attempting to characterize another with irrelevant and often inaccurate character descriptions. Just something to think about.


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Its actually very useful to put words in opponent's mouth. We simply make people assume that republicans are racists, which they are. Then we put appropriate words in republican's mouth to paint the picture. But really, all those words are exactly what republicans think, just dont say.
And about locking up opposition, Trump said he wanted to lock up Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2021. Trump is literally Hitler who hates migrants, muslims and the poor and supports Russia, and now the only question is if we should arrest him now or let him be president 4 years and have him suffer final defeat in 2028 when he fucks up everything and loses 2028 election. 
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It is my opinion that Best.Korea is an Einstein.
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Its actually very useful to put words in opponent's mouth.
Of course it has a "use"; whether that "use" is directed in service to a sound resolution is another matter.

We simply make people assume that republicans are racists, which they are.
They are? How? And against whom?

Then we put appropriate words in republican's mouth to paint the picture.
An often inaccurate picture which has little, if anything, to do with the subject at hand.

But really, all those words are exactly what republicans think, just dont say.
You're a mind reader? Or are you just projecting your impression?

Trump said he wanted to lock up Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2021.
So these legal shenanigans are retaliation for that which he stated he "wanted" to do?

Trump is literally Hitler
This is actually incorrect.

who hates migrants, muslims and the poor
Outside of explicit statement, there's no way for you to know this.

we should arrest him now or let him be president 4 years and have him suffer final defeat in 2028 when he fucks up everything and loses 2028 election. 
Most presidents, if not all, have been criminals. Biden, Trump, Obama, George W, Clinton, George H.W.... James K. Polk, Tyler, Harrison, etc. Trump is subject only to more media scrutiny.
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all those words are exactly what republicans think, 
Bullshit. You can't possibly read minds. I call charlatan BS.
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You're a mind reader? Or are you just projecting your impression?
Oh yes, classical projection of course.
If you haven't read this before, this sums up how most Democrats argue:
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Oh yes, classical projection of course.
If you haven't read this before, this sums up how most Democrats argue:
I'm familiar. Partisan affiliation is premised on a metaphorical sanctuary of illusions. The goal is expanded affiliation as opposed to peaceful cooperation or even good will.
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Outside of explicit statement, there's no way for you to know this.
What? What more proof do we need? The only next step left for Trump is to start killing migrants. He already killed lots of muslims in airstrikes. And yes, he robbed poor people of aid.

You're a mind reader? Or are you just projecting your impression?
One doesnt have to be a mindreader to know that republicans are racists. How many "black people are violent" and ""certain police officer" was right in shooting "certain black man"" do we need to realize this? They literally constantly talk shit about Mexicans, muslims... they are constantly putting others in labels. Then they get mad when they themselves are put in label of racists.

Most presidents, if not all, have been criminals
True, but I am not sure whats the point of your whataboutism, because criminal Trump works for Putin to bring civil war in USA and overturn democracy. He is trying to pull off Star Wars episode 3 scenario. 

So these legal shenanigans are retaliation for that which he stated he "wanted" to do?
Plenty of reasons to hate Trump, really. One could write a book. The biggest liar, biggest criminal and worst president in US history. Killed thousands of Americans with bad covid management. Any other person would be arrested immediatelly. However, Trump has enough supporters to start civil war. That is why I oppose his arrest.
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What? What more proof do we need?
What "proof" do you have?

The only next step left for Trump is to start killing migrants. He already killed lots of muslims in airstrikes.
As did his predecessor. What would this be "racially" motivated?

And yes, he robbed poor people of aid.
How?

One doesnt have to be a mindreader to know that republicans are racists.
No, one would have to presume to be a mindreader in order to suggest that one's political affiliation, namely Republican, can by virtue of determine one's being racist or not.

How many "black people are violent" and ""certain police officer" was right in shooting "certain black man"" do we need to realize this?
Which Republicans stated this? And are so-called "Black" and "Hispanic" Republicans racist as well?

They literally constantly talk shit about Mexicans, muslims... they are constantly putting others in labels. Then they get mad when they themselves are put in label of racists.
Which Republicans?

True, but I am not sure whats the point of your whataboutism,
Not a "whataboutism"; you're attempting to distinguish Trump as a criminal particularly in the context of his formerly held office. My point is that this distinction is at best superficial and arbitrary since most if not all presidents--past and present--have been or are criminals.

because criminal Trump works for Putin
They both work for their sponsors.

to bring civil war in USA and overturn democracy.
Civil War will not happen.

He is trying to pull off Star Wars episode 3 scenario. 
That happened over a century ago, after the assassination of William McKinley, and the policy which led to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Woodrow Wilson would have been Darth Vader and Edward Mendel House would have been Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine.

Plenty of reasons to hate Trump, really.
Hate is a strong word.

The biggest liar, biggest criminal and worst president in US history.
I wouldn't characterize him as the worst. It's hard to gauge the extent of presidential so-called "prerogative" with respect to the other, but Trump has probably been the "least harmful."

Killed thousands of Americans with bad covid management.
There was little he could do about that.

Any other person would be arrested immediatelly.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.



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since most if not all presidents--past and present--have been or are criminals
Criminal Trump works for Putin. He even promised to not be in favor of Ukraine if he wins in 2024. Trump motivated his supporters to overturn an election. US president is not supposed to do that. Elections are everything in democracy. He claimed he won. He wasnt even close to winning. He still today claims that elections were rigged. His supporters attacked on his command, despite no evidence of vote fraud. Its not just one reason that makes Trump different. Its a whole long list of reasons.

There was little he could do about that.
Maybe he could have stopped saying "You dont need to wear a mask. I dont.".
USA had second largest in the world death rate from covid because of Trump.

Which Republicans?
One of Trump's main policies was related to migrants and muslims. There are two types of persons. Constructors and destroyers. Trump doesnt construct much. His policies are mainly about destroying something. Destroying healthcare policies, destroying migration policies... ita all about removing something. Removing muslims, removing migrants,  removing taxes, removing obamacare...
Trump's policies created almost 10 trillion debt. Every republican who votes for Trump votes for Trump's policies. So a lot of republicans. You can see it in this forum too. Trump supporters are known for making anti-migrant, anti-muslim claims, as well as some very racist statements about black people. Of course, black people who cant see through this, they can be republicans. But they are also partially nationalist against migrants. We can also see that racists are much much more likely to be Trump supporters or republicans. I wonder why? Could it be because they go with their kind? Obviously. Any party who has such long list of racist supporters is ultimately a racist party. There is a reason racists love Trump. He speaks their thoughts. 
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A majority of Democrat voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020 think the investigations and criminal indictments against Donald Trump constitute "an interference in the 2024 presidential election," according to a new poll conducted exclusively for Newsweek.

The Redfield & Wilton Strategies survey reveals a majority in every age group, gender and geographic location, except for the Northeast, think Trump's ongoing legal difficulties constitute election interference in a major boost to the Republican frontrunner.

On Thursday, Trump was arrested and then released on a $200,000 bond over claims he broke the law attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election result in Georgia. The former president has strongly denied any wrongdoing, claiming the allegations against him are a "witch hunt" and "election interference."

I'd like to hear from Democrats on this site if they agree with the Democrats polled by Newsweek.
Democrats know that Newsweek was sold to the Olivet Sect, a spin-off of the Unification  Church and believers that their defunct leader, Rev. Sun Yung Moon was delivered by Jesus Christ out of North Korea to become the Father/ruler of all humanity.  That's why most of the editors and writers  at Newsweek(no honest man would call them journalists) all go to the Olivet School of Journalism in San Francisco and all go to the same church on Sunday.  LIke a number of similar institutions, The Washington TImes, the Epoch Times, etc. these messianic cults are fervently anti-communist and ultra-rightist in their belief in a single global Christian monarchy, they  only differ on which Korean messiah should be pronounced king.  They have all profited greatly during the QAnon era by printing a wide range of  conspiracy theories and anti-semiittic screeds clothed as American-style news.  That is, Democrats and all rational thinkers stopped looking for facts from Newsweek more than a decade ago.  These Korean owned outlets are fake news factories of the first order and have no interest in American Democracy or American Pluralism.  Thier goal is to make all Americans Christian subjects of a Korean Messiah.  Don't know why Greyparrot thinks its okay to do their work for them.

Redfield and Wilton Strategies is a British poll-maker that publishes literally hundreds of online polls each week.  For a couple of thousand dollars, Redfield and Wilton will make an online poll for you that says that most Americans believe that day is night and that dogs are cats  because cats are dogs.

Democrats wonder just how gullible Greyparrot thinks they are.  All Democracts know that anonymous Wormtongues  like Greyparrot are just souless puppets of the anti-American fake news machine and learned long ago to never give a single fuck what lies such assholes tell.

The majority of Americans understand that the Constitution explicitly forbids coup plotters and other such traitors from running for any polticial office and that
therefore the matter of Trump's  extremely well documented, extremely public, and essentially undenied treasons must be resolved before Trump appears on any future ballot.




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Don't know why Greyparrot thinks its okay to do their work for them.

Lol! another Jedi Democrat "mind reader"

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Well stated.
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You guys, lol.

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and essentially undenied treasons
Not to mention being undeniably unindicted. Still waiting forever for that unicorn indictment of "insurrection"

"We got him" sounds so good we forget it was a broken promise for 7 years...
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Criminal Trump works for Putin. He even promised to not be in favor of Ukraine if he wins in 2024. Trump motivated his supporters to overturn an election. US president is not supposed to do that. Elections are everything in democracy. He claimed he won. He wasnt even close to winning. He still today claims that elections were rigged. His supporters attacked on his command, despite no evidence of vote fraud. Its not just one reason that makes Trump different. Its a whole long list of reasons.
Please substantiate the command on which his supporters based their "attack."

Maybe he could have stopped saying "You dont need to wear a mask. I dont.".
USA had second largest in the world death rate from covid because of Trump.
If one can still smell and breathe through face masks, then those masks are essentially useless. Do you have any controls for the masks which saved lives, and the specific non-use of masks which caused death?

One of Trump's main policies was related to migrants and muslims. There are two types of persons. Constructors and destroyers. Trump doesnt construct much. His policies are mainly about destroying something. Destroying healthcare policies, destroying migration policies... ita all about removing something. Removing muslims, removing migrants,  removing taxes, removing obamacare...
I mean by the strictest definition of the term, his policy was somewhat "related" to migrants and Muslims, but was it by reason of their being migrants and Muslims, or was it because of a suspected influx of criminal and terrorist activity?

Trump's policies created almost 10 trillion debt.
Incorrect.

Every republican who votes for Trump votes for Trump's policies. So a lot of republicans. You can see it in this forum too. Trump supporters are known for making anti-migrant, anti-muslim claims, as well as some very racist statements about black people. Of course, black people who cant see through this, they can be republicans.
So so-called "Black" Republicans are blind to this alleged racist veneer of the Republican Party? They are otherwise incapable of using their faculties in making a decision of which political values align with their own?

Any party who has such long list of racist supporters is ultimately a racist party.
List them for me.

There is a reason racists love Trump. He speaks their thoughts. 
I know individuals intimately who at least leave me the impression that they're not the textbook definition of racist who happen to laud Trump.
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Don't know why Greyparrot thinks its okay to do their work for them.
Greyparrot is indirectly part of a Korean messianic conspiracy?

Democrats wonder just how gullible Greyparrot thinks they are.  All Democracts know that anonymous Wormtongues  like Greyparrot are just souless puppets of the anti-American fake news machine and learned long ago to never give a single fuck what lies such assholes tell.
Argumentum ad hominem. You should know better.

The majority of Americans understand that the Constitution explicitly forbids coup plotters and other such traitors from running for any polticial office and that
therefore the matter of Trump's  extremely well documented, extremely public, and essentially undenied treasons must be resolved before Trump appears on any future ballot.
Please list and substantiate these "treasons."

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they're not the textbook definition of racist 
Well... race is a theory of the religion of racism, so you are likely better off looking for scripture, not a textbook, certainly not a science text.

The great prophet Kendi perhaps?
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Argumentum ad hominem. You should know better.
So much for moderation cracking down on toxic adhoms with the new COC....
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Actually, While Trump's tax plan limits certain tax preferences and deductions, it does not include any reductions in federal spending. As a result, the Trump plan increases the federal deficit over the next decade by $10 trillion or $12 trillion, according to several estimates that do not include macroeconomic changes in GDP, investment and employment. Of course, these so-called “static” estimates do not reflect the potential tax revenue from the economic growth resulting from lower tax rates. However, even under “dynamic” scoring, which takes into account a broad range of macroeconomic effects of tax proposals, his tax cuts would still expand the federal deficit over the next decade by $10 trillion — on top of the $10 trillion increase in the federal deficit already projected under current law.
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Actually, While Trump's tax plan limits certain tax preferences and deductions, it does not include any reductions in federal spending. As a result, the Trump plan increases the federal deficit over the next decade by $10 trillion or $12 trillion, according to several estimates that do not include macroeconomic changes in GDP, investment and employment. Of course, these so-called “static” estimates do not reflect the potential tax revenue from the economic growth resulting from lower tax rates. However, even under “dynamic” scoring, which takes into account a broad range of macroeconomic effects of tax proposals, his tax cuts would still expand the federal deficit over the next decade by $10 trillion — on top of the $10 trillion increase in the federal deficit already projected under current law.
Take a moment to consider the reason tax cuts aren't responsible for this $10 trillion projected increase. In order to help illustrate the conclusion I intend for you to render on your own, I propose you think of an individual who earns an income (and for the sake of argument we'll liken that income to tax revenue.) Now if a person's nominal income decreases (tax cuts,) what reason can you imagine that individual would be in debt or have increased debt?
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his tax cuts would still expand the federal deficit over the next decade by $10 trillion
So, then, why oh why did Biden ask the Congress to keep the Trump tax cuts over the past 3 years? OMG is Biden....nah, I won't Cathy Newman you....
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Argumentum ad hominem. You should know better.
So much for moderation cracking down on toxic adhoms with the new COC....

Right!?!
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So, then, why oh why did Biden ask the Congress to keep the Trump tax cuts over the past 3 years? 
He didn’t. You are lying as usual. You lie every day here.

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Leave it to GP to find every harebrained news source out there.
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If one can still smell and breathe through face masks, then those masks are essentially useless. 
Wait, what? You gotta be joking, and I aint falling for the joke.
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I'm sure  Trump is glad to have people like you giving him money from contributions and tax cuts.
Well, billionaires do know how to con stupid people.
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I'm sure  Trump is glad ...
I suppose he is also glad that Biden kept his tax cuts.
I don't know for sure, as I do not pretend to be a professional Democrat mind reader, and Trump has never praised Biden as much as Biden praised Trump.


Well, billionaires do know how to con stupid people.
OMG are you saying Biden is....oooh you almost got me to Cathy Newman again!!

So you are saying Frontal Lobe Reading Wizard? Amazing powers the Newmanesque Jedi Democrats have!