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@Stephen
was an eternal flaming hell created exclusively for the new testament ?
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@Stephen
Yes, it must be torture to be destroyed forever and enteral.
destroyed forever wouldn't feel like anything at all
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@Stephen
2 Thessalonians 1:9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction"
even at face-value
this seems to be suggesting "destruction" that will never be repaired
for example
if i said the world trade center will be "forever destroyed"
that doesn't in any way suggest that the building will be continuously damaged every day for all eternity
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@Stephen
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@Best.Korea
"science and nature"
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@IwantRooseveltagain
she says "good job" after he does the deed
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The conclusion that you were defending the Citizens United decision required no jumping on my part.
simply stating facts
is not the same
as "defending"
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@Stephen
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@Stephen
Matthew 25:46
Matthew 25:46 in Greek is: "καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον, οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον."
κόλασιν = torment
in other words
the "κακοί" will be tortured for a very long time
κακοί = ugly, useless, wretched, unhappy
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The origin is unknown, with multiple theories proposed:[1]
- From a Proto-Indo-European *kaḱ-, *knḱ- (“slight”), and related to Avestan 𐬐𐬀𐬯𐬎 (kasu, “small, slight”).
- From Proto-Indo-European *kenk- (“to burn, hunger, desire”), and related to Lithuanian keñkti (“to do harm, ache”), Proto-Germanic *hungruz (“hunger”).
- From Pre-Greek.
- Possibly connected with Proto-Indo-European *kakka- (“to defecate”); compare κακκάω (kakkáō, “id”). (Can this(+) etymology be sourced?)
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@Stephen
Revelation 20:10
Revelation 20:10 in Greek is: "καὶ ὁ διάβολος ὁ πλανῶν αὐτοὺς ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρὸς καὶ θείου, ὅπου τὸ θηρίον καὶ ὁ ψευδοπροφήτης, καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων."
θηρίον = beast
ψευδοπροφήτης = false prophet
βασανισθήσονται = torture
αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων = ages of centuries
in other words
the one who claims to be a prophet of the almighty (claims to speak for YHWH)
will be tortured for a very long time
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@Stephen
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@Owen_T
or how a loving god sends people to eternal suffering
this is a common misconception
nowhere in the bible does it say souls will be tortured forever
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@prefix
a quote often attributed to Aristotle: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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@prefix
here's the assignment
YOU make an attempt to build a STEEL-MAN argument in favor of voting for KAMALA HARRIS
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@TheUnderdog
This is the same as legalizing corruption. Corporation's free speech drowns out everyone else's free speech. I prefer we the people's free speech to we the globalist's free speech.
The "Hillary: The Movie" was a 2008 documentary film produced by Citizens United, a conservative non-profit. The film was critical of Hillary Clinton and led to the landmark Supreme Court case, Citizens United v. FEC
in other words
should it be illegal to make a movie critical of a politician during an election ?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
also, in the united states, the lawmakers are all funded by millionaires and billionaires,I guess the difference is that you think that's a good thing and others don't.
holy jesus, jump to conclusions much ?
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@TheUnderdog
do you personally think it should be illegal to make a movie (or a book) that is critical of a political candidate ?No?!?!Citizens United legalized CURROPTION, not criticizing politicians.
READ THE ACTUAL CASE
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@prefix
you'll notice this was a STEEL-MAN REQUEST
you have once again confused my statements with "my opinions"
i have never been a supporter of joe biden
this is a purely intellectual exercise playing "devil's advocate"
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@TheUnderdog
please explain how this would fix anythingIt makes it illegal for politicians to be curropt; they can break the law, but then there is nothing that can be done to end curroption.
During the 2004 presidential campaign, the organization filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that advertisements for Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, a docudrama critical of the Bush administration's response to the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, constituted political advertising and thus could not be aired within the 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before a general election. The FEC dismissed the complaint after finding no evidence that advertisements featuring a candidate within the proscribed time limits had actually been made.[7] In response, Citizens United produced the documentary Celsius 41.11, which is highly critical of both Fahrenheit 9/11 and 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. The FEC, however, held that showing Celsius 41.11 and advertisements for it would violate the Federal Election Campaign Act, because Citizens United was not a bona fide commercial film maker.[8]
QUESTION,
do you personally think it should be illegal to make a movie (or a book) that is critical of a political candidate ?
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@prefix
Even if a person says something, one cannot ascribe absolute validity to one's own conclusion about that statement.
you've just invalidated every statement trump has ever made
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@prefix
i see, ok
so you agree that trump initially wanted to ban muslims
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@TheUnderdog
The left wants to repeal Citizens United.
please explain how this would fix anything
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@prefix
I never argued that Trump wanted to ban Muslims
i see, ok
so you agree that trump initially wanted to ban muslims
but was told that is basically impossible
so they did the next best thing
which is to "temporarily" ban travel from muslim majority countries
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@prefix
thank you for sharing your interesting perspective
i had no idea this topic was controversial
trump got loads of cheers when he said he wanted to ban muslims
i thought all trump supporters loved the idea
build a wall and all that jazz
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@TheUnderdog
Me: Then explain how banning abortion,
i suffer emotional damage when i think about the unborn hoards losing their bright futures
banning abortion reduces my suffering
legalizing AR 15s,
i love shooting guns and when i'm shooting guns i forget about all my problems and this reduces my suffering
separating undocumented children from their families (whether through state force like deportation or inaction like letting the parents die due to lack of healthcare or food),
unskilled immigration drives down wages and low wages make me feel bad, i like money and money reduces my suffering
continuing the drug war and locking people up in jail for weed,
drugs cause suffering and if we can end the drug trade by scaring the pants off everyone with harsh penalties, then, in the long run, suffering will be reduced for future generations, and on top of that, it makes me feel good to think about drug dealers and drug addicts locked up in prison for the rest of their lives
forcing students to take on huge loans to go to college,
nobody can force someone to take out a loan, and the idea of my tax dollars paying for someone else to get an advantage in the job market increases my suffering
and not raising taxes on the globalists to pay for it all reduces unwanted pain?
if you punish innovators, they'll just move somewhere else and then they'll fire all their employees in your country and unemployment increases suffering
If people with George Soros level wealth pay 70% of their income in taxes, that produces way less unwanted pain than the amount of unwanted pain it would offset.
that's the problem. nobody cares about ALL HUMAN SUFFERING, they mostly just care about their OWN suffering (both real and imagined)
also, in the united states, the lawmakers are all funded by millionaires and billionaires, so, don't expect them to bite the hand that feeds them anytime soon
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@TheUnderdog
That's incorrect because NY residents would rather be alive and deal with the pain of being alive than lose their lives due to a nuke (so their pain in that context is wanted or at least tolterated).
the dead don't suffer
the living always suffer
this isn't about "preferences"
this is only about reducing suffering
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Decreasing the income tax and instituting a wealth tax would be more economically efficient.
bingo
the original income tax introduced in 1913 was intended to be temporary and primarily targeted individuals earning $3,000 or more, which is roughly equivalent to $69,000 today
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@prefix
i wonder if 99% of the people impacted by the "trump travel ban" just happened to be muslims, you know, by pure coincidence
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@Moozer325
Term limits. Maybe not 18 years, that’s pretty short, but it’s still better than rolling the dice for when the justices will die or resign.
20 years seems reasonable
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@prefix
“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "
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@Moozer325
Exactly, it shouldn’t be random. It should reflect the attitude of the public.
what is your proposal ?
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@Moozer325
well yeah, this is just proving my point. The court should be free of politics, so if justices from either side aren’t stepping down when the other party is in power, then we clearly need to regulate this.
expecting anyone in government to be "free of politics"
is like expecting a fish to be "free of water"
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@Moozer325
Well it was unofficial precedent that every president gets one appointed per term, but recently both parties, (but e specially Trump) have been trying to manipulate it in their favor so they get more. Trump got three appointments for one term. With these regulation, every president gets 2 appointments. That way, the court better represents the feelings of the America people. The only way a super majority happens is if one party has the presidency for a long time, which means the court more accurately represents the American people.
i'm pretty sure it's random, based on if someone dies or retires
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@prefix
(IFF) "state-socialism" = "centralized government" (THEN) "state-socialism" is prerequisite to "state-fascism"
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@Moozer325
My problem is Trump getting more appointments than he should.
please explain
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@Greyparrot
Pure white paper doesn't exist. Most paper, like humans, have recycled bits in it.
bingo
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@ADreamOfLiberty
" secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures" != "right to anything labeled as a medical procedure state and federal law notwithstanding"
have you ever considered the idea that the primary function of "the law" is "dispute resolution between citizens" ?
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@ILikePie5
Term limits for judges are stupid. Y’all need to go read the Federalist Papers. Ethics reform, I’m cool with.
20 years seems reasonable
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@FLRW
Yes, that was from the mid 1800's. THE CORPUS OF SUPREME COURT OPINIONS FROM 1850-1880 CONFIRMS THAT AN UNBORN CHILD IS A PERSON WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
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@WyIted
one of the proposals is TERM LIMITSThat is terrible. WOW. So it's even worse than I thought.
20 years seems reasonable
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@Double_R
using a federal charge as the underlying crime
it sounds like we agree
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@Double_R
No, it isn't. Not when it's done in furtherence of another crime.
that's the "federal crime"
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@WyIted
This is referring to increasing the number of judges on the Supreme Court and throwing in a bunch of liberals just prior to radical life extension becoming feasible
one of the proposals is TERM LIMITS
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@WyIted
They will just make sure that democrats always alhave a majority
please explain
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@DavidAZZ
I believe the goal of Israel is to destroy Hamas and I would say that is appropriate. Kill or be killed kind of thing and unfortunately there are casualties of war.
perhaps there is no such thing as "the moral high-ground"
when lives are under threat, humans become wolves
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@HistoryBuff
that's true. But it's like someone punches you in the face, so you go and get your gun and you murder them, and their wife, and their children, and their dog. It is true that they attacked 1st, but the actions of both sides are not even comparable.
well stated
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@Greyparrot
It's legal for a President to ask someone how to solve a violent Muslim problem.
i never said it was "good" or "bad"
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@Double_R
He was charged for falsifying his business records, that's a state crime
and a misdemeanor
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@Moozer325
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@Greyparrot
Sounds like Trump as President learned the difference between violent Muslims and regular Muslims. I approve that source. A violent and dangerous Muslim ban makes sense. A Muslim ban doesn't.
in other words
if it was legal to ban all muslims
then he would have simply banned all muslims
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