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@Greyparrot
paywalled source.
By Amy B Wang
January 29, 2017 at 3:32 p.m. EST
Former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”
Giuliani, an early Trump supporter who once had been rumored for a Cabinet position in the new administration, appeared on Fox News late Saturday night to describe how Trump's executive order temporarily banning refugees came together.
Trump signed orders on Friday not only to suspend admission of all refugees into the United States for 120 days but also to implement “new vetting measures” to screen out “radical Islamic terrorists.” Refugee entry from Syria, however, would be suspended indefinitely, and all travel from Syria and six other nations — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen — is suspended for 90 days. Trump also said he would give priority to Christian refugees over those of other religions, according to the Christian Broadcasting Network.
Fox News host Jeanine Pirro asked Giuliani whether the ban had anything to do with religion.
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“How did the president decide the seven countries?” she asked. “Okay, talk to me.”
“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "
Giuliani said he assembled a “whole group of other very expert lawyers on this,” including former U.S. attorney general Michael Mukasey, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Tex.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.).
“And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us,” Giuliani told Pirro. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.”
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@Greyparrot
A written statement from the Trump campaign says: "Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
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@Greyparrot
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@badger
Some reporter asked him to disavow them and he said they were fine people or some crazy shit.
In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."
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@Greyparrot
19 second sky-news clip of trump saying the wants to ban all muslims
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@Greyparrot
This list reveals the concept’s evolution. After defending the outright Muslim ban for six months, Trump called Rudy Giuliani in early May 2016 [1] to, as Trump himself put it, “look at the Muslim ban.” Giuliani explained that Trump told him, “Show me the right way to do it legally.” This indicates that Trump wanted Giuliani to come up with a version of the Muslim ban that would satisfy legal concerns. (Note that at this point, there is no other proposal for the “it” to be, Trump confirmed that he used the phrase “Muslim ban,” and grammatically, the antecedent to “it” is “Muslim ban” in Giuliani’s comments.) With these marching orders, Giuliani and House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul—with help from former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Rep. Peter King—then sent a memo to the Trump team that explained why the outright ban could be unconstitutional and urged the adoption of a territorial-based ban.
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@Best.Korea
the words "boy" and "girl" and "man" and "woman" are only used by lunatic right-wing extremists
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This list reveals the concept’s evolution. After defending the outright Muslim ban for six months, Trump called Rudy Giuliani in early May 2016 [1] to, as Trump himself put it, “look at the Muslim ban.” Giuliani explained that Trump told him, “Show me the right way to do it legally.” This indicates that Trump wanted Giuliani to come up with a version of the Muslim ban that would satisfy legal concerns. (Note that at this point, there is no other proposal for the “it” to be, Trump confirmed that he used the phrase “Muslim ban,” and grammatically, the antecedent to “it” is “Muslim ban” in Giuliani’s comments.) With these marching orders, Giuliani and House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul—with help from former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Rep. Peter King—then sent a memo to the Trump team that explained why the outright ban could be unconstitutional and urged the adoption of a territorial-based ban.
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@Greyparrot
There was never a Muslim ban. America banned Chinese and Japanese and Germans for a time though.
everyone knows that trump tried to implement a muslim ban
everyone knows that for legal reasons they couldn't call it a muslim ban
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@WyIted
subscribing to the discord channel will cause you to get pinged for every new video
you can turn off discord notifications
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@Double_R
So with all of that said just how much of a difference would that have made? Not all that much,
bingo
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@prefix
It appears that you have no idea of what a powerful centralized government is.
it's up to you to define YOUR terms
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@prefix
I do. See if you can figure out why?
just tell me what your opinion is based on
there is no internet search for "why the fu.ck does prefix care about this sh.it"
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@prefix
One of the most interesting aspects of the research is the countries that Americans actually do consider socialist today. Among Republicans, the three most socialist countries are Venezuela (60%), China (57%) and Russia (57%) while among Democrats, Sweden (43%), Denmark (43%) and Norway (42%) come first.
a "powerful centralized government" describes nearly every government on earth and even nearly every government in history
so, it doesn't seem to be a characteristic that is specifically "socialist"
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@Double_R
do you think jan6 was a bigger deal than oct7 ?In some ways yes, in some ways no.Oct 7 was a far more tragic day. Jan 6th was far worse when it came to the historical significance of what we just witnessed and what it meant for the future of the nation.To put it differently, Oct 7th was an attack on people from the outside, Jan 6th was an attack from the inside on our very way of life and it was lead by the person we entrusted to protect it.Still don't know what your post has to do with anything.
what do you think trump should have done to magically fix the situation ?
pretend you're a god for a second
and trump is your marionette
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Because your research skills are sub par.You then assume things based on limited data.Was that speech related to the Executive Order Travel Ban?Did it occur after or before the EO?You need a higher quality source than YT.I know this information, and I am not the one who gave the citation.I find your actions laughable and disingenuous.
(IFF) trump said he wanted to ban all muslims BEFORE the policy (THEN) who the fu.ck cares ?
(IFF) trump said he wanted to ban all muslims AFTER the policy (THEN) who the fu.ck cares ?
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@SocraticGregarian96
ok, that's all very eloquent
but i don't think anecdotal evidence and history books are going to help resolve
axiomatic conflict
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@prefix
so do you think it might be fair to say that "extreme-centralized-government is prerequisite to fascism" ?It might be "fair", but not historically accurate.
would you agree that perhaps "the false promise of socialism is prerequisite to fascism" ?
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@prefix
On what date did Trump deliver the speech that YOU HAVE CITED?
it doesn't matter
and
if you think it does matter
then
build a case
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@prefix
As I stated above...They are similar vis -a- vis their extreme centralized government with extreme centralized power.
also,
that's not a contrast
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As I stated above...They are similar vis -a- vis their extreme centralized government with extreme centralized power.
ok,
so do you think it might be fair to say that "extreme-centralized-government is prerequisite to fascism" ?
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@prefix
Is this about whether capitalism wrecked the environment, as Bestkorea states in ANOTHER FORUM?
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@prefix
what is the difference between "state-capitalism" and "state-socialism" ?
i'm taking YOU at YOUR word here
YOU said they were "essentially the same thing"
but then YOU said they were not interchangeable terms
so
i'm asking YOU
to contrast the terms YOU said were "essentially the same thing"
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@prefix
but humans before communism
HUMANS HAVE ALWAYS LIVED IN COMMUNITIES AND SHARED RESOURCES
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@Double_R
What's your point?
do you think jan6 was a bigger deal than oct7 ?
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@Double_R
So my question to anyone who supports this guy is; what do you make of those 187 minutes? How do you explain it and why would you even consider voting for him after it?
Apr 4, 2024 · At around 11 a.m., four and half hours after Hamas's attack began, Netanyahu filmed a statement to the press outside the Defense Ministry offices
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@FLRW
It was 2018. Harris was still a relative newcomer in the Senate. And yet, she made a splash when she grilled Brett Kavanaugh, Trump’s then-nominee for the Supreme Court. “Can you think of any laws that give government the power to make decisions about the male body?” she asked Kavanaugh in a question pointedly about reproductive rights.After Kavanaugh struggled to give an answer, Harris repeated the question. Kavanaugh’s final response: “I'm not thinking of any right now, senator.”
well stated
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@prefix
What was the date of the speech in the video .Was it after January 27, 2017? The date is extremely important as you might see very soon.
please explain
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(IFF) "Feudalism, state-socialism and state-capitalism are essentially the same thing." (AND) state-socialism is assumed to be prerequisite to fascism (THEN) "Feudalism and or state-socialism and or state-capitalism" are equally prerequisite to fascism
which part of this conditional statement do you disagree with ?
in other words
what is the difference between "state-capitalism" and "state-socialism" ?
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@prefix
Here is help from WIKI...."YouTube and other video-sharing sites are generally not considered reliable sources ".
it's a 19 second long NEWS clip of trump saying he wants to ban all muslims
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@prefix
I then proved that there was no such thing.
you "proved" nothing of the sort
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@prefix
Are you now agreeing with that statement?
i'm asking if you think this is fair to say
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@prefix
"(7) biden reversed the muslim travel ban"
everyone, including yourself understands that
"(7) biden reversed the muslim travel ban" = "(7) biden reversed the trump travel ban"
it's exactly the same thing
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(IFF) "Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism are essentially the same thing." (THEN) "Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism" are prerequisite to fascism
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(7) biden reversed the trump travel ban
this is the full extent of the claim
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@prefix
Are you now stating that state-capitalism is prerequisite to fascism?
i'm asking you if,
"Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism are essentially the same thing."
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@prefix
ok, so would it be fair to say "state-capitalism is prerequisite to fascism" ?Perhaps so.How do you see that that might be the case?
because,
"Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism are essentially the same thing."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That post was about liberalism not some political organization that I didn't even mention in it.
ok, so you weren't talking about republicans or democrats
it seemed like you were contrasting "liberals" with trump
generally speaking, republicans call democrats "liberals"
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@Discipulus_Didicit
what specific policies have democrats implemented to increase "liberty and freedom" ?What specific fucks do you think I give about democrats based on what I said?
i don't know, maybe when you said this,
The liberal brain subconsciously assumes that most others have the same goals of liberty, freedom etc. that the liberal has
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@Double_R
so I think decisions likes this are medical decisions best left up to the individual, their family (if we're talking about a minor) and their doctor.
bingo
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Not everybody has liberty and freedom as end goals in the first place.
what specific policies have democrats implemented to increase "liberty and freedom" ?
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@prefix
Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism are essentially the same thing.
ok, so would it be fair to say "state-capitalism is prerequisite to fascism" ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The idea is a phantom. The only real choice is to be ignorant and thus powerless or to be enlightened and thus potentially potent.
well, the "reality" of impending death, dismemberment, disease, loss of friends and family, and general disaster
can get a bit tedious
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Feudalism, state socialism and state capitalism are essentially the same thing.
ok, so would it be fair to say "feudalism is prerequisite to fascism" ?
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@prefix
if a state owns all land and water and power in an areathey are functionally indistinguishable from a feudal lordAnd also indistinguishable from state socialism. ( as I said above......look it up).
which is exactly the same as state-capitalism
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Both State Capitalism and State Socialism want the state to be the owner. Proven by sourced citations.
ok, so absolutely no difference whatsoever ?
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