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@ADreamOfLiberty
and I won't believe it just because clearly delusional people say it.
try watching a few israeli news broadcasts

they're bragging about it
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Something tells me they aren't launching rocks, rockets, or going on raids to rape and kill as many Jews as they can.

something tells me they're still getting their homes confiscated and their water storage sabotaged and being imprisoned and shot regardless
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Presidential Immunity
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@Double_R
this is not a crime in-and-of-itself
Of course not, it's the same thing for most crimes.

If I walk into a sporting goods store and purchase two ski masks and two hunting rifles, I have done nothing illegal. But if my intent when making that purchase was to give it to my two friends so they could rob a bank, I am now an accessory to burglary.

Actions are not taken in isolation. No where else in life would we excuse behavior on the basis of "if we eliminate the context sounding this act then there's no wrongdoing".

Nowhere.
what's the difference between the arnold schwarzenegger case and the trump case under discussion regarding "defrauding voters" ?

what's the difference between the arnold schwarzenegger case and the trump case under discussion regarding "defrauding voters" ?

When reports of catch-and-kill instances do leak, they often dominate the headlines. In 2005, American Media Inc., which owns the National Enquirer, promised to "pay a woman $20,000 to sign a confidentiality agreement about an alleged affair" with then-California gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger, according to the Los Angeles Times. 

this is not a crime in-and-of-itself
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I have spent lot of years mainly figuring out what myself and this reality is all about.
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@MAV99
just say "the soul is an inscrutable black-box" that animates human flesh
That would be to say that we know nothing about it. That is not true. I would be lying if I said that.

saying "it's a principle" doesn't mean anything

what else do you know about "souls" ?
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@Greyparrot
That's the point. They are. We are not. 2 different cultures. We usually restrict child sacrifice to the unborn. Not the walking around on 2 legs kind.
why are we sending them bombs ?
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@Double_R
Because the law doesn't depend on whether the person succeeded in swaying the election. The act is what's (allegedly) illegal.  In the end there is no possible way to know whether this would have made the difference, so if that was a requirement the law would be unenforceable.
For each of the thirty-four counts, the indictment accused Trump of acting “with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.” Under New York law, intent to break another law is necessary to charge falsifying business records as a felony rather than a misdemeanor.


When reports of catch-and-kill instances do leak, they often dominate the headlines. In 2005, American Media Inc., which owns the National Enquirer, promised to "pay a woman $20,000 to sign a confidentiality agreement about an alleged affair" with then-California gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger, according to the Los Angeles Times. 

this is not a crime in-and-of-itself
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Is it the theory of evolution or evolution?
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@Mall
From what I'm understanding and being told is that the word theory is another word for fact .
a scientific theory is a demonstrably useful DESCRIPTION with some explanatory power and engineering potential

this is certainly not synonymous with the word "fact"
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The Real Mening of the Bible
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@Deb-8-a-bull
1 book. 
1 religion. 
1 group. 
we are all children of noah

so really

everyone is "the chosen people"
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@Double_R
You asked me whether anyone did surveys to tell if the Stormy Daniels story would have made a difference.

So yeah, entirely irrelevant.
if the story would not change enough people's minds to sway the election

then how can anyone pretend

that burying the story "defrauded voters" ?


also,


do you think that burying the hunter biden laptop story also "defrauded voters" ?
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@Greyparrot
So...give me liberty AND death? Yep, very different cultures...
i'm not sure this characterization is accurate
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@MAV99
What the soul learns is what the thing is. 

so it learns things but it doesn't have experiences


just say "the soul is an inscrutable black-box" that animates human flesh


and is also not controlled by or able to be predicted by YHWH
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@ADreamOfLiberty
so, i do really enjoy hearing people explain things from "both sides"

"debunking the myth that israel stole palestine" - ayn rand institute

"why the left hates israel" - ayn rand institute

youtube is trying to convince me that israel is 100% "justified"


here's the short version


palestinians are incompetent corrupt savages funded by commies in russia


and the jews are basically rescuing them from themselves
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@cristo71
You’ve mastered the non-sequitur.
please explain to me exactly which women and children we are morally obligated to slaughter 
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TRIBALISM = GOOD
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@zedvictor4
We need to seek advice from a Bee.
decentralized blockchains like bitcoin do a good job of systemically protecting the freedoms of every individual without centralized authority or any sort of enforcement mechanism
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@cristo71
If one can die a martyr in Islam, their place in paradise is assured. 
just like vikings

i guess we need to hurry up and get to slaughtering them ASAP !!


also,


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@cristo71
I have come to the conclusion that they dream of living in a world devoid of Jews and a Jewish homeland— even if it means the destruction of their own earthly lives and the lives of their children, sadly.

It is common in the western world yet misguided for us to project our own liberal, humanistic values onto other, vastly different cultures. A Muslim warrior once boasted, “We value death the way you [westerners] value life.” If one can die a martyr in Islam, their place in paradise is assured. 

you've convinced me

slaughter of women and children is not only perfectly fine, it is our OBVIOUS moral responsibility
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Is it the theory of evolution or evolution?
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@Mall
by very simply selectively breeding the LEAST aggressive wild foxes

after only about seven generations (7 years) the purebred wild foxes develop floppy ears and patchy fur and playful attitudes like traditionally domesticated dogs

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@MAV99
A soul does what it does. Its "motivation" as you call it ( I would call it "what it does") is to know and to will. It is designed to know and to will. nothing more.

The soul does not have "experiances" as I think you mean it here. Experiances are something our brains and our bodies have. Our soul simply knows and either wills or does not will to act upon the concept that arises from the image in the mind which has its principle or origin in the senses.
ok, so your "soul" doesn't have experiences

which means

it can never learn anything


and it just randomly picks things with no rhyme or reason


it is not an instrument of god

and it is not controlled by your human body


seems like a loose-cannon
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TOP 10. Signs you've joined the wrong religion .
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@Deb-8-a-bull
  It is odd how they have anything to with each other. 
I'd  start believe in god and just leave it at that .

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@RaymondSheen
Sure, like war or human trafficing. 
both of those are very high risk, low reward
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Is it the theory of evolution or evolution?
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@baggins
Brother….. for the hundred time.. SCIENTIFIC THEORY is a fact yes. The word “theory” outside of science means something else.Scientific theory is a term which is used by scientists to explain BODY OF FACTS AND WHAT they mean. 
there are cases where competing theories describe the same observations

like string-theory and quantum-gravity and MOND

a generally accepted scientific theory is our current BEST DESCRIPTION of observations

not exactly the same as "a fact"

for example

particle physics is a description of reality on the microscopic scale

but it is not the only description

and electrons don't look like tiny billiard balls

and they don't "spin" "around" a nucleus

they are detectable in a probabilistic quantum pattern that we approximate with the word "spin"
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@MAV99
Your brain produces an image and the soul takes that, unites it to itself, thus giving us understanding (i.e. intellectual knowledge) and from that the will chooses to act or not to act.
it sounds like you're just moving the motive to another layer

the original questions are not answered by simply adding another layer

is the "spirit" motivated by its design AND its experiences ?
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What's the strongest argument for atheism?
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@MAV99
No. I am suggesting it spirit is different from anything material, as the word implies, and it has the ability to interact with what is more fundamentally in things, namely what they are and not what they are made of.
ok, the mechanism one level below the mechanism

sure

but the question remains

is the mechanism of "spirit" influenced by its design (fundamental nature) ?

and

is the mechanism of "spirit" influenced by its experiences ?
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@Double_R
Not really. I could call myself an atheist all day long, if I believe in a god I'm just being dishonest
sincerity is not quantifiable

take for example the question

"do you REALLY love me ?"
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㊙️ TAO TE CHING
㊙️ 道可道 非常道

when you go head first and speak confidently of your movement, it is like the opposing wings of a bird, working in concert with, yet balancing the established durable standard description of proper movement

in other words

your description of your motive is not the same as the commonly accepted standard motive

in other words

your plan is unreliable

in other words

The Tao that can be spoken of is not the constant Tao
The name that can be named is not the constant name

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@ADreamOfLiberty

Second and more importantly, they didn't say it was Russian disinformation, they said it has all of the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Those are two completely different things
So do you have a straight face when you type these things?
bingo
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@Double_R
That's irrelevant to whether it's a crime. We have campaign finance laws for a reason and many politicians have faced severe penalities for violating them.
well

the "falsifying records" thing is a MISDEMEANOR

unless

it is in the service of a FELONY

so they had to invent a FELONY


which is the "conspiracy to defraud the american voter"


which is obviously complete bullshit


so, yeah

not even slightly "irrelevant"
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Doesn't matter if it would make a difference. Congress and the FBI would not survive a "legal interpretation" which claims that any attempt to hide information from the public is defrauding the American voter. (also there is no immunity so all these people can be guilty even if their job is to keep secrets).
bingo
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APOTHEOSIS
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@Ramshutu
This world isn’t just imperfect, it’s odious, vile, and the idea that humans have had to put up with over 10,000 years of unending painful suffering through disease an illness that we’ve only been able to cure for the last 100 years is frankly sickening.
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@RaymondSheen
You only need one. If you've joined any religion, you've joined the wrong religion. 
interesting hypothesis

i'd evaluate them based on a personalized cost/benefit analysis
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Atheism
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@Mall
None. When you think about what the truth is, you either think it to say what is true or false or you don't.
very few statements have any detectable truth value
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@Critical-Tim
Instead, we should strive to promote a society that values individuality, and cooperation; and that recognizes the importance of working together towards shared goals.
sounds good

how do you propose we start this ?
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@zedvictor4

I think that you are actually describing human nature.

I suppose that the natural opposite would be individualism and therefore anarchy.

And I'm not sure if that would not be as dangerous, if not more so.

I suppose that the answer would be total social re-education.

But how on Earth do you implement absolute subservience without absolute tyrannical leadership.

bingo
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The Majick of Libertarian Free Will
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@Critical-Tim
I believe whether humans have free will or not is irrelevant. I've had a similar conversation about human value. It's not a matter of whether humans have intrinsic value, but whether we should act as though humans have intrinsic value.
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@Double_R
The second is based on the preservation of systems that are necessary for a multitude of reasons (safety, profit, etc.). If I violate a policy at my job and am not punished that will encourage others to violate it as well, which in turn will result in harm to the company regardless of whether my individual actions resulted in any immediate harm.
you have to admit

"attempting to defraud the american voter"


is a bit of a stretch


i mean


have they even done any surveys to determine if this stormy daniels thing would have made any difference whatsoever ?
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@RaymondSheen
That's how the Bible presents it and it's universal. 
depending on which christian you ask
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@Castin
Translation of mening – Norwegian–English dictionary

mening
 
noun
 [ masculine-feminine ] /'meːnɪŋ/

endre mening - - to change opinion
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@ADreamOfLiberty
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Atheism
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@Double_R
A much more worthwhile conversation I think is what should the term atheist should be thought to mean.
what this boils down to

is the concept of "self identification"

some people think each person should be able to tell you what they want to call themself and why

some people think each person should adopt some sort of universal label regardless of what they might individually believe
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@Double_R
then it literally means without the theory, practice, or doctrine
seems obvious
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@RaymondSheen
context of a specific culture that god
that's generally the implication when some random person asks, "do you beeleev inn god ?"
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@zedvictor4
Atheism is what it is.

A term generally used to define the non adherence to popular deistic/theistic ideologies..

Though as ever, if one deconstructs the idea and expands upon definition, then the loose adherence to any social idea could be regarded as being theistic.

So in terms of the Biblical magician, I am atheistic.

But in terms of a GOD principle, I am open minded.

It all depends upon how one arranges words.

bingo
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@RaymondSheen
The Bible mentiones many gods. Some real, some not, some supernatural, some not, some creators, some not, some just idols - wood and stone. 
how can you tell if a god is "false" ?
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@Mall
There are, however, remarkable exceptions with regard to the ability of the fish to interbreed and produce viable offspring – and that exactly what makes them so interesting to evolutionary biologists. One such exception – referred to as repeatedly evolved species pair – is distinct marine and freshwater stickleback forms, also called ecotypes.

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@RaymondSheen
That may be what atheism is to you, and most of the militant atheists I've encountered online, but it doesn't make sense to me and it isn't what atheism has always been. Basically what you're saying is that only Christians, Jews and Muslims are theists and that isn't at all true. BK said somewhere, jokingly I assume, that he/she/it was theist because he believed in Thor. People who believe in gods are theists. It doesn't have to be anything but a god and a god can is anything or anyone that is venerated. I don't see how anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the Bible doesn't understand that. It seems just the thinking of an ideologue.  

by this measure

you are a polytheist
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@MAV99
do you believe that software is magical ?
No.

abstract concepts are simply data

stored in your brain
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@MAV99
uncreated and uncaused
I never said that, nor implied it.
what motivates the actions of your "soul" ?
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@Double_R
Abstinence is a form of sex
exactly
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@MAV99
Is Physicality the only fundamental similiarity? If so how do you prove that?

Because I think there are other fundamental similarities by which to interact that affect something physical.

matter is composed of energy

therefore

matter can interact with energy

it's really extremely simple

are you suggesting that "spirit" is composed of energy ?

or perhaps energy is composed of "spirit" ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
TIME MAGAZINE
Dec 15, 2023 — 20, Israeli forces had arrested as many as 880 Palestinian children this year, a practice made possible under Israel's draconian military laws.

May 5, 2023 — Since 2000, an estimated 13,000 Palestinian children have been detained by Israeli forces from the occupied West Bank and held in the Israeli ...

Dec 30, 2023 — Since 2000, the Israeli military has detained some 13,000 Palestinian children, almost all boys between the ages of 12 and 17, said Defense ...

Jan 13, 2023 — Last year, the Israeli military rounded up hundreds of Palestinians in the West Bank ages 12-17 in late-night arrests, according to HaMoked.


PERHAPS THEY "DREAM OF LIBERTY"
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