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@Mesmer
Humans can be divided into sub-species (races): The Existence of Race – The Alternative Hypothesis . I've posted this argument to you multiple times and you've failed to address it every time.Seems to contradict,Racism is a nonsense term: Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com) .Race =/= "racism".
Please explain.
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@Lemming
HYPOTHETICALLY, if you could give a command or a set of commands to a hyperintelligent AGI, what would you tell it to do ?
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@zedvictor4
HYPOTHETICALLY, if you could give a command or a set of commands to a hyperintelligent AGI, what would you tell it to do ?
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@drlebronski
next thing you know conservatives are gonna start saying doxxing someone is free speech
How is it not free-speech, I mean, you know, exactly.
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@MarkWebberFan
I think that's a great idea. I'm currently pressed for time, but whenever time permits me to be on the site, i'd rather not see posts I've elected to ignore. That said, I guess you could add a second feature that allows you to see what "Hide" posters are writing about. Sometimes, I want my freedom to quote/tag "Hide" users without unnecessarily antagonizing them since they won't know that I've effectively "hide" them permanently.
Are you saying you'd like the option to HIDE all posts from particular users, but without technically BLOCKING them from responding to you (and without HIDING your posts from them) ?
A mutual HIDE & BLOCK function seems like a simple solution to the "restraining order" problem that somewhat shockingly seems to be a reoccurring problem here.
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@Mesmer
BLUE POWER
PINK POWER
GREEN POWER
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THE PROBLEM OF EVIL (TPOE) GPT3 (THE PAPERCLIP PROBLEM)
KILL ALL TERRORISTS AND HELP ALL GOOD PEOPLE
KILL ALL RACISTS AND HELP ALL HISTORICALLY OPPRESSED PEOPLE
MINIMIZE CRIME AND MAXIMIZE HUMAN LIFE AND HUMAN WELLBEING
Please feel free to make suggestions and or modifications and or more precision to any of these general directives.
Your scathing critique is requested.
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@RationalMadman
Even on this website alone, when I block and ignore bullies, I still get taunted even for that ignoring. This is the truth. Ignoring sometimes works but isn't always optimal at all, it depends on the bully and scenario.
I've suggested @DebateArt.com add a "HIDE" feature that automatically HIDES all posts and comments made by people you've BLOCKED.
Or at least make the BLOCK automatically also block you from mentioning and or replying directly to the people you've blocked.
They seemed to think this was a good idea, but may be a bit technical for them to implement with the current architecture.
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@RationalMadman
However seeing 8 upvotes on some rude remarks...
Who cares how many upvotes a comment gets ?
It literally costs you NOTHING.
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@RationalMadman
This is nothing more than Trump and his cohort accepting they need to mask their racist agenda with one or two non-caucasian 'allies'. Don't be fooled.
I'm pretty certain you can still be friends with people of other races, even if you are generally a racist.
You'll often hear people say stuff like, "you're one of the good ones" and this doesn't necessarily mean they're poised to skewer you for dinner.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I am extremely impressed with your rhetorical skill and tenacity.
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@Fruit_Inspector
If I created a planet and I genetically engineered plants and animals to live on that planet and I programmed the reproductive and other survival instincts of those animals and then, at some point, those animals went haywire and started killing each other like crazy.Did God create humans as automatons?
Did god design and program the reproductive and other survival instincts of humans and animals ?
ALSO,
Forget about god for a second.
Would you blame me if something I made catastrophically malfunctioned ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Would you say that deportation = murder ?Depending on how you define deportation, no.
Let's say some people show up at the border of your country and say that they are fleeing for their very lives.
You ask them to present evidence, and they only have eye-witness-testimony (which is considered solid-gold in a civil court).
You tell them they need better evidence, like corroborating testimony and or photographs or video or something.
They don't have any evidence other than their own eyes and ears.
So you reject their application and send them back to where they came from.
AND THEN THEY ARE MUTILATED AND OR KILLED.
It almost seems like "murder" to me.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Do you follow all the old testament laws, or do you cherry-pick the ones you like ?Of course I don't follow all the Old Testament laws. But I know why I pick and choose.
You know why you pick and choose ?
Can you perhaps link to some source that supports your cherry-picking ?
I've quite honestly been trying to find a coherent moral theory of the old testament ever since I was a small child (when my questions were ignored).
The difference is that you pick and choose but you don't know why. You didn't answer the question:Do you love your neighbor as yourself? If so, why do you reject the other commands like wearing fabrics of multiple materials?
It's strange that you would presume to know the contents of my mind.
I treat my neighbor like I treat all humans, not necessarily with "love" but with fairness and respect.
Those who are good, I am good to them
Those who are not good, I am also good to them
Thus the virtue of goodness
Those who believe, I believe them
Those who do not believe, I also believe them
Thus the virtue of belief
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@Fruit_Inspector
The admonishment "love your neighbor as yourself" is functionally indistinguishable from "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is functionally indistinguishable from "treat your fellows with fairness"."Treat others with fairness" is completely different than "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
How exactly ?
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@DebateArt.com
The number of times you've blocked other users should show in your profile info.
Debates: 350
Posts: 10,769
Blocked: 8,765
Or at least add a badge for it.
Use the block function 100 times and get a gold medal.
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@drlebronski
@rmcan u unblock 4 1 sec?
The number of times you've blocked other users should show in your profile info.
Debates: 350
Posts: 10,769
Blocked: 8,765
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@RationalMadman
Trump and his supporters would never ever, not for one single second consider you a true American.
Dinesh D'Souza seems to be pretty well respected in TRUMPTOWN.
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@TheUnderdog
off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech...
Presumably ON-TOPIC personal attacks and or hate speech is well within bounds.
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@TheUnderdog
If someone is serious about...
ANY SYSTEM OF JUSTICE THAT RELIES ON DETECTING MOTIVE AND OR SINCERITY IS FUNCTIONALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM WITCHCRAFT
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@secularmerlin
The future will hold things no doubt that we could hardly imagine but we are not on a projected course to become magical space socialists with food synthesizers.
TNG FTW
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@secularmerlin
Could develop into medium government, where people can produce all they need in their own land and homes.Almost no one owns sufficient land to make this feasible
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@ebuc
Like oxygen and so many things, a double-edged sword that can cut towards good or bad, relative to the person holding the sword.
Great point.
BREAKING NEWS !!!!
This just in, OXYGEN causes VIOLENCE !!!
Scientists have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that depriving humans of OXYGEN dramatically decreases violent activity.
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@ebuc
Nevertheless, oxytocin’s effects on social behaviour may not be modulated solely through pro-social emotions: oxytocin also enhances envy and gloating in a social game. According to research by Carsten De Dreu:
Human ethnocentrism—the tendency to view one's group as centrally important and superior to other groups—creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, co-operation, and co-ordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote co-operation among in-group members. … Results show that oxytocin creates intergroup bias because oxytocin motivates in-group favoritism and, to a lesser extent, out-group derogation. These findings call into question the view of oxytocin as an indiscriminate “love drug” or “cuddle chemical” and suggest that oxytocin has a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence. [**]
So, while oxytocin may increase some baseline of empathy for outgroup members in distress (but never matching the baseline empathy for ingroup members in distress) oxytocin may also increase baseline hostility toward outgroup members who are NOT in obvious distress.
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@Fruit_Inspector
If he’s all powerful then he can do whatever he wants.You have created a definition of "omnipotent" that I reject and is contradictory to the Bible, and you are trying to refute that created definition.
What is your personally preferred definition of "omnipotent" ?
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@Double_R
And I thought God was supposed to be merciful? Whatever happened to that?
Good point.
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@Double_R
Simply put, ending the life of another human unjustly is wrong because you that person is an image-bearer of God.Until you can demonstrate that a God exists this argument is irrelevant. Do you have an argument against abortion not based in your religious faith?
Let's not reject the premise prematurely.
(IFF) god is perfect (THEN) humans are perfect (THEREFORE) (IFF) humans murder (THEN) god wants them to murder
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@Fruit_Inspector
God cannot "nullify" sin because a just God cannot let sin go unpunished.
If I created a planet and I genetically engineered plants and animals to live on that planet and I programmed the reproductive and other survival instincts of those animals and then, at some point, those animals went haywire and started killing each other like crazy.
Would you blame me or the animals ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Why is murder wrong, and how does the answer to this question apply to an early stage fetus?Simply put, ending the life of another human unjustly is wrong because you that person is an image-bearer of God. The early-stage fetus is a life. The majority of abortions are done because the people engaging in sex don't want the responsibility of parenthood. That is not a just reason to kill a child, no matter what stage it is in.
Would you say that deportation = murder ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Do you love your neighbor as yourself? If so, why do you reject the other commands like wearing fabrics of multiple materials? Sounds like your picking and choosing...
Do you follow all the old testament laws, or do you cherry-pick the ones you like ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
I have trouble believing the egyptians had no basic sense of fairness before Abraham showed up.You are jumping between meanings of the phrase "golden rule." If you are referring to the teaching of Jesus, it does not just mean being fair or being nice. If you are referring to the concept of being nice that most people understand, that is not a biblical understanding of "love your neighbor as yourself."
The admonishment "love your neighbor as yourself" is functionally indistinguishable from "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is functionally indistinguishable from "treat your fellows with fairness".
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@Fruit_Inspector
Are all white people guilty in some way of perpetuating white supremacy and systemic racism?
Certainly not.
Are all black people victims in some way of systemic racism perpetuated by white people?
Certainly not.
Should we be examining our society to identify disparities between racial groups which are evidence of systemic racism?
We should be examining our society to figure out how we can make jeffbezos and billgates and elonmusk richer and more powerful.
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@Fruit_Inspector
This is incorrect. Implicit racism can be seen and pointed out just as explicit racism despite racists not being explicit in order to avoid the social and political backlash.Implicit racism - or unintentional intentional racism - is basically an unfalsifiable accusation. It is an accusation against motivations in which you are guilty until proven innocent.
(IFF) it is nearly impossible to find someone without skin-tone bias in neural response to pain (THEN) it would seem fair to say that TRIBALISM is a fact
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@Fruit_Inspector
I have no opinion of "Marxism".How afraid should I be and why ?Because Marxism is the philosophy that will lead to total government control. If you value freedom, you should reject Marxist philosophies, of which CRT is one. If you want government bureaucrats to be in charge of determining what human rights you deserve, then allow CRT to continue unhindered. Its up to you.
What philosophy will lead to NOT total-government-control ?
What's that one called ?
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@Mesmer
You've also now decided to make the claim that there is 'more difference within than between'. This argument has been debunked to death, but nonetheless here is an argument walking you through why that claim doesn't prove what you think it does (tl;dr: there are greater instances on individual genetic markers within races than between, but the total weighted effect of these genetic markers (despite between fewer in quantity between than within), produces greater genetic variance between than within): Variation Within and Between Races – The Alternative Hypothesis .
In practical terms, it doesn't matter how many or how few "genetic markers" there are.
Humans cannot detect "genetic markers".
And discrimination, not only based on skin-tone, but also on language and culture and religion have existed for millenia, certainly long before anyone even considered "genetic markers".
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@Double_R
Calling someone out on their racism is not racism.
How do I detect implicit racism ?
I'd really love to start calling people out.
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@Mesmer
In no case is "white supremacist" purely descriptive. That is why when people use it, it is regarded as an insult -- no one wants to be called a white supremacist. Wikipedia probably agrees with this notion because it doesn't want 'black nationalism' to be ascribed as 'black supremacy', most likely because 'black supremacy' would be a slur referencing race (racial slur).
People should only be self-described.
Instead of trying to force a category on someone, you should ASK THEM if they identify with some proposed generalized type and or label.
Forcing a category on someone (that they do not personally self-describe as) is almost always an AD HOMINEM ATTACK.
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@Mesmer
Humans can be divided into sub-species (races): The Existence of Race – The Alternative Hypothesis . I've posted this argument to you multiple times and you've failed to address it every time.
Seems to contradict,
Racism is a nonsense term: Racism is a nonsense, malicious term (debateart.com) .
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@Mesmer
No, it’s an attack on white people who hold racist attitudes. HUGE difference.You've already conceded the argument with this statement because you described them as "white" people. If race had no bearing on this, then the (non-racial) slur would be "supremacist".
Well stated.
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@ILikePie5
Not all black people were slaves. Some were slave owners themselves, so the term really doesn’t hold up for them does it?
Also, it's worth pointing out that the very word itself, "slave" is derived from the word "slav" which is an abbreviated form of "slavic".
slave (n.)
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples. [**]
late 13c., "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.), from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples. [**]
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@Mesmer
It's possible to call someone a racial slur *without* believing all people of that race are that racial slur.
Well stated.
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@secularmerlin
Odd caucasians are almost never the target of ethnic cleansing so I don't know who is saying this.
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@Mesmer
BLACK POWER
GIRL POWER
LGBTQ POWER
LATIN POWER
ASIAN POWER
MALE POWER
WHITE POWER
BLACK PRIDE
GIRL PRIDE
LGBTQ PRIDE
LATIN PRIDE
ASIAN PRIDE
MALE PRIDE
WHITE PRIDE
ITSOKTOBE BLACK
ITSOKTOBE GIRL
ITSOKTOBE LGBTQ
ITSOKTOBE LATIN
ITSOKTOBE ASIAN
ITSOKTOBE MALE
ITSOKTOBE WHITE
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@drlebronski
i noticed this debate has been pivoted from systemic racism to affirmative action and random crt things
Well, the advocates of panic seem to believe that the "problem" with crit-ra-theo is that it will lead to the super-scary waking nightmare of af-act.
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@ebuc
that link is insane.
Dove Soap intended to celebrate diversity. At least that is what its owner Unilever said after public outcry shamed it into pulling an advertisement for its body wash showing a black woman removing her brown shirt to reveal a white woman in a light shirt. In a Facebook post on October 8, Dove stated: “The short video was intended to convey that Dove body wash is for every woman and be a celebration of diversity, but we got it wrong.
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@ebuc
One of take away I heard on the NPR interview, was that it should not be so easy for a emotionally distraught person to go buy a gun at local retail store --ex Walmart--- and he gave another example of seemingly rational people loosing their access to the empathetic center so of the brain.
OXYTOCIN INCREASES EMPATHY TOWARD IN-GROUP-MEMBERS AND ALSO INCREASES AGGRESSION TOWARDS OUT-GROUP-MEMBERS
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@secularmerlin
As human labor becomes increasingly obsolete can we let go of the idea that failure to perform adequate labor is inexcusably lazy and immoral?
FAILURE TO DISMANTLE THE ARCHITECTS OF YOUR ENSLAVEMENT IS IMMORAL
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@Fruit_Inspector
And I'm super impressed that Abraham was able to write the old testament and email it to the pharaohs of egypt and the emperors of ancient china.Well Abraham didn't have email. But can you think of any way that the teachings of Israel could have been seen or heard by the Egyptians? We're the Israelites in contact with Egypt for any length of time around the time of Moses?
I have trouble believing the egyptians had no basic sense of fairness before Abraham showed up.
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@Fruit_Inspector
In other words, the golden rule IS the Law.Do you believe that Jesus' statement here somehow abolished the 10 Commandments?
Do you ever eat meat and dairy products in the same meal ?
Do you ever wear fabrics that are made from more than one material ?
Do you ever cut the hair that falls in front of your ears ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Is this derived from a biblical Christian ethic, or your personal opinion?
GOLDEN RULE
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