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@ADreamOfLiberty
Just because they're bad at genocide doesn't mean they aren't trying. They tell you what they want and they have kept trying for decades.
it's almost hilarious
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@RaymondSheen
buddhists do not believe in immortal beings
and they seem nice enough
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@ADreamOfLiberty
just I am stunned at how many times that gesture was accepted as a ruse to prepare another round of rockets or another invasion with the explicit goal of killing every Jew in the region.
From 2004 to 2014, these rocket attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians[11]
wow, truly devastating
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@Critical-Tim
I think that how we define Free Will is important. Many people claim to have Free Will, but they have no control over what they like, aka their Will.
the only function of the will is to pursue desire
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@RaymondSheen
Remember the big fuss a few years back over some cake maker who refused to make a gay themed wedding cake? The law said he had to.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory on narrow grounds to a Colorado baker who refused based on his Christian beliefs to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, stopping short of setting a major precedent allowing people to claim religious exemptions from anti-discrimination laws.
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@Best.Korea
I ask you now, do you want to live in total tyranny?
a true panopticon
where even the cops and cia are recorded
on a transparent decentralized blockchain
zero privacy
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The fewer people you slaughter the longer the war can last, good for business. See Iraq and Afghanistan.
maybe you should tell this guy to slow down
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It has absolutely nothing to do with oppressing or mocking. Nothing at all.
ok, perhaps you believe that they can be "fixed" with MORE oppression and mocking ?
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@RaymondSheen
this was interesting and mercifully brief
i've heard a version of this from ben shapiro
basically,
all morality comes from YHWH
and sure, you can strip away the church stuff
but you can only do that because
you learned how to not become serial killers who eat babies
from YHWH
(not exactly sound logic)
In 539 B.C., the armies of Cyrus the Great, the first king of ancient Persia, conquered the city of Babylon. But it was his next actions that marked a major advance for Man. He freed the slaves, declared that all people had the right to choose their own religion, and established racial equality. These and other decrees were recorded on a baked-clay cylinder in the Akkadian language with cuneiform script.
Known today as the Cyrus Cylinder, this ancient record has now been recognized as the world’s first charter of human rights.
It is translated into all six official languages of the United Nations and its provisions parallel the first four Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Spread of Human Rights
From Babylon, the idea of human rights spread quickly to India, Greece and eventually Rome. There the concept of “natural law” arose, in observation of the fact that people tended to follow certain unwritten laws in the course of life, and Roman law was based on rational ideas derived from the nature of things.
Documents asserting individual rights, such as the Magna Carta (1215), the Petition of Right (1628), the US Constitution (1787), the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789), and the US Bill of Rights (1791) are the written precursors to many of today’s human rights documents.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Neither of us have any reliable intelligence on who is being killed or not killed in Gaza.
why the fuck are we sending millions of dollars worth of bombs to israel if they can't even slaughter people properly ???!!
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Why did God make 4 bloods and 2 humans ?I Picture god walking around with 2,9 liter bags of blood for weeks
great point
also, where did cain and abel's wives come from again ?
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@Best.Korea
Do you guys find it hard to justify the killing of tens of thousands of civilians in few months because US government didnt properly censor that info?
yep
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@MAV99
soul is the principle of self movement
uncreated and uncaused
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@MAV99
Is that the same as the concept itself? Nope...
do you believe that software is magical ?
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@MAV99
All you have done is repeat what you said before. For Example:in order to interact with the physicalit must have some physical capability or componentNo proofs, no explanation. This does not answer my question I asked. This conversation is going nowhere.Do have anything you want to say to me?
it's pure logic
in order to interact with something
there must be a fundamental similarity
if your OOC has no physical capability or component
then it is unable to interact with and or even detect physical objects
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@baggins
EVERY KIND OF OTHER DEFINITION OF GOD is irrelevant to atheism and theism.
bingo
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@Best.Korea
Thats because of oppression and mocking. People dont like being oppressed or mocked, but lots of people in USA oppress and mock LGBT community. Just look at comments on YouTube. They are filled with hate, insults and mocking of LGBT.
it seems pretty obvious
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@RaymondSheen
I would write a very simple constitution that protected the rights of individual life, liberty and property. The planet would consist of relatively small communities with no elected officials or agencies. Everything would be small scale and the community would decide upon what is needed, should be tried, changed, accomplished, etc.
agorism ?
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@MAV99
organic chemistryThat means everything that is part of our life must be organic.Abstracts concepts, a part of our intellectual life are not organic. You cannot touch them. So there must be something more than just organic chemistry.Unless you can give me where science has tagged in the brain where concepts themselves are, there is no way around that.
data storage can be identified
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@MAV99
because a principle is a description of something and not a thing in and of itselfa principle is not a desription.Principle: That from which anything proceeds in any way whatsoever.That "that" is a thing. Like a point is the principle of a ray, your soul is the principle of self movement.
the word you're looking for here is "origin"
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@MAV99
i'm paraphrasing YOUWhere did I say the soul is not a thing? Got a reference?
you said soul is a principle
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@sadolite
But only one makes a plausible argument for sentience.
which one ?
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@MAV99
NOthing can "co-exist" with the "infinite"Only if the "infinite" was only material. There is more than just matter in the universe. Any solid philosophy says that.Once again showing a univocal idea of being....
without limit
means without limit
which means anything "infinite" would instantly penetrate all possible realms
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@MAV99
if YHWH has physical capability then some part of YHWH is physicalthe capability to impregnate women is one exampleWhy?
in order to interact with the physical
it must have some physical capability or component
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@MAV99
This is implying that only Matter exists and nothing else. Once again showing a univocal idea of being.
no, no it does not
there are trillions of dimensions and zillions of different ways of manifesting "existence"
nobody is suggesting that "matter" is the ONLY one
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@baggins
Yeah I agree with that, thats why I was confused why people are not understanding what atheism really is. This word play with what god is and what is considered to be god to some people and then that it exist is just waste of time.
100%
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@Mall
I got you guys scared to answer these questions.Do atheists believe no gods exists?Yes or no.
some do and some don't
there is no test or qualifying gate-keeper
that controls who gets to call themself
an atheist
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@baggins
I have skipped through most of this thread so can someone let me know why the answer to the question “do atheists believe in gods” is yes and no? It should be no all the time unless you define god as something else.
nearly all people who call themselves "atheists"
understand that some things (like the sun) are considered "gods" and that those things obviously exist
that's not what they're talking about when they say "i don't believe in god"
an atheist is simply - NOT-A-THEIST
are you a THEIST ?
if the answer is "no"
that makes you an atheist
like spinoza
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@RaymondSheen
Define it as something else?! You mean define it as something other than what atheists, who don't believe it no matter what you call it, says it is? No.
GOD = BIG BANG
still not a theist
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@Double_R
To have no position makes you an atheist because if you have no position then by definition, you do not believe in a god.
great point
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Next on the level of command weve.10 plus year atheist.Any guesses on what we might call this bunch?Whats that. ?Correct. ( Atheists )
love it
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@MAV99
anything that is truly "infinite" is NECESSARILY in all places at all times in every possible senseWhy? You have to prove that. Until you do, I am disregarding it since all you have done is assert it. and by prove I mean you have to prove the "in every possible sense" part. Because right now it is a contradiction.
i don't need to "prove it"
it's tautological
"infinite" literally means without limit
not limited by time
not limited by space
not limited by physical or spiritual or metaphysical or emotional or conceptual boundaries of any kind, known or unknown or unknowable
NOthing can "co-exist" with the "infinite"
it obliterates all boundaries
because it doesn't have any
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@MAV99
all of creation is imbued with some amount of the omnipotentThis implies that sameness, or existence, is only one thing in one way. I have already said no to that and explained why I think that.
did YHWH design electrons ?
did YHWH design cotton ?
what about microbes ?
did YHWH cause the causes that caused electrons ?
did YHWH cause the causes that caused cotton ?
did YHWH cause the causes that caused microbes ?
if they are designed by YHWH and caused by YHWH then they are obviously reflections of (at minimum the minifest will of) YHWH if not obviously and necessarily wholly composed of the energy of YHWH
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@MAV99
(IFF) OOC is the first cause (THEN) every conceivable event is caused by OOCThat is getting much closer, but not quite yet.I called Him the first cause. He is th cause of the existence of something, but not immediately the cause of a happening as there can be other causes involved. He is remotely a cause to all happenings.
it doesn't matter how "remote" the cause is
if it is the ONLY cause
and there is no OTHER CAUSE
then it is still the one and only cause causing every conceivable event
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@MAV99
are you suggesting that YHWH has no physical capability or component ?I am not saying he does not have the capability.Of himself he is not physical. He cannot be. That would contradict Him being infinite and uncaused.
if YHWH has physical capability then some part of YHWH is physical
the capability to impregnate women is one example
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@MAV99
So the idea of "elephant" is still in all those different functions.Once again showing function is not the same as whatness.
the idea-of-an-elephant is not the same as an actual elephant
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@Greyparrot
YOU TALKIN' TO ME ?
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i sent him some bitcoin a few years back, should be worth millions now
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@RaymondSheen
P1: It is reasonable/rational to withhold belief in an unfalsifiable entity.P2: God is an unfalsifiable entity.P3: Atheists withhold belief in God.C: It is reasonable/rational to be atheist.I agree completely.
debate over [.]
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The hardest part about being a atheist for me issss,having to "belive" in the theroy of evolution.I don't like it. Buttttt, i am a atheist sooooo, i know the deal.Of course Evolution is real.
evil-looshun
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@Mall
Attempted suicides and self harm, those are non issues.
try solving poverty crime and genocide first
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@Mall
How's it misleading?
it's obviously misleading because the terms are undefined
for example, theists have argued repeatedly IN THIS CONVERSATION that "money is a god" "michael phelps is a god" "sex is a god" ad nauseam
Someone else was able to answer without any fear saying yes, atheists believe in no gods.
clearly, SOME atheists use that description and in many cases it is "close enough" generally but it is not the essential definition of atheism
That statement is either true or false. It's not a "gotcha" question or a trap. Nothing hidden in there.
there are very few statements that have actual "truth value" and the example at hand is simply ambiguous
If we're being honest, it's just a honest answer to the question.
clearly in this context the speaker knows what they're doing
It's either true that they believe in gods or it's false. If it's false, you're saying they don't believe no gods exists which is false according to atheism.
oh, "according to atheism" you say ?
have you perhaps read the ancient holy atheists scriptures yourself ?
ATHEISM = NOT A THEIST
this is the essential definition
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@Amber
And?
seems like a "problem" you might want to "solve"
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@Savant
Interested in playing mafia?
thanks for the mention
i'm keeping pretty busy at the moment with all this atheism and gender dysphoria stuff
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The only thing we know for certain issssss.The Real Gods brute.Like i mean the actual really real gods, do like a little a book book thing.Its just,Well , its commensense.Straight up .
bingo
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@MAV99
The answer is that He is infinite. No matter how much or what you take away there is no difference in relation to Him. That is what infinite means.
that's not what "infinite" means
AND "infinite" is not part of this equation
because "infinite" obviously and literally means "without limit"
which means it cannot be contained by anything anywhere, not by a word, or a physical barrier or any conceivable or inconceivable conceptional barrier
anything that is truly "infinite" is NECESSARILY in all places at all times in every possible sense
it would penetrate and completely obliterate all distinctions ideas and things
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@MAV99
(1) would you say that OOC was reduced or diminished in some way after this exercise ?(2) or would you say that OOC was exactly the same as they were before the first creation event ?1. No I would not.2. He has to be unchanging, at least intrinsically to Himself. So He would be the same as before.
right, same as before
which means that all of creation is not "in addition to OOC"
all of creation is imbued with some amount of the omnipotent
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@MAV99
but you believe that this omnipotent god was the very first cause, right ?Yes... well I know He is because I have reasoned to it. Not strictly speaking belief.
ok, so, logically speaking
(IFF) OOC is the first cause (THEN) every conceivable event is caused by OOC
unless you're proposing that something else, NOT caused by OOC ALSO generated some sort of competing FIRST CAUSE
are you suggesting that some things are NOT caused by OOC ?
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