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@Shila
Should commanding officers represent mother figures instead to improve the American Army?
that would be much less effective
if your goal is to turn teenage boys into robotic killing machines
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@Shila
So both subjective and objective people according to you make CATEGORY ERRORS.
a person has a unique point of view
therefore,
there is no such thing as "an objective person"
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@Lemming
I don't think white Jesus is so much 'sinister, as a common act of people to depict individuals in their culture like themselves.
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@Shila
--> @Best.Koreahealthy and mentally stable boys do not make great soldiersAlso mentally unstable soldiers don’t make great armies. Eg. The American military. Lost every war and had to withdraw in disgrace from Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia.
all armies are primarily composed of impressionable teenagers who replace their father figure with their commanding officer
this is a well known psychological exploit that subverts our familial instincts
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@Shila
Are you saying objective people don’t understand RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right which are subjective.Similarly subjective people don’t understand ABSOLUTE DIRECTIONS - - north, south, east, west, altitude, latitude, longitude which are objective.
i am saying that
when someone claims that their right and left and up and down are the ONLY TRUE left and right and up and down
they are clearly making a CATEGORY ERROR
in the exact same way
when someone claims that their sense of right and wrong are the ONLY TRUE sense of right and wrong
they are clearly making a CATEGORY ERROR
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@Tarik
subjectivity is like - - RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, rightExcept relative directions aren’t based on personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
RELATIVE DIRECTIONS are relative to my individual position
personal feelings, tastes, or opinions are also RELATIVE to my individual accumulated life experience
you probably have a "favorite food"
i also have a "favorite food"
you might say, "favorite food" is like "the direction left"
you know what is "left" for you
and i know what is "left" for me
they are not the same direction, almost never, considering the curvature of the earth
just because we both have a "favorite food" doesn't mean we agree on what the best food is
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@K_Michael
By comparison, the whitewashing of historical figures such as Jesus Christ is a lot more sinister,
great point
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@Tarik
In subjectivity there is no right or wrong answer because the answer is subject to the individual.This sentence alone is exactly why your position makes no sense, is there an answer or not?
subjectivity is like - - RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right
your "up" is not my "up"
your "left" is not my "left"
these terms are still useful, as long as they are understood to be RELATIVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL
"objectivity" is like - - ABSOLUTE DIRECTIONS - - north, south, east, west, altitude, latitude, longitude
these are much more specific
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When there exists no doctor, the plumber is king.That’s what I would expect a dummy to believe.
and is the gastroenterologist in your metaphor joe biden ?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When there exists no doctor, the plumber is king.That’s what I would expect a dummy to believe.
and is the surgeon in your metaphor joe biden ?
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@Elliott
"climate change" is another attempt to do thisWell we certainly created it but unlike the alien invasion anthropogenic climate change is very real.
sure, but i guess a little too abstract for everyone to take as seriously as some sort of interdimensional intrusion
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@IwantRooseveltagain
😄 Well, Trumpers have there own way of “thinking”. They don’t need facts to believe what they believe, everything is like religion to them.
strangely, most of the magaqanontrumpheads that i've actually spoken with don't really "care" about "trump"
but they see "trump" as a way to disrupt the status-quo in washington
mainstream career republicans and mainstream career democrats are "the problem"
and even though "trump" isn't really "better", at least the rabid support for "trump" draws attention to the systemic failures of the BINARY political system instead of letting everyone pretend "everything is fine"
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@Elliott
I’m sure we could invent something suitably nasty to scare people.
"climate change" is another attempt to do this
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@Best.Korea
healthy and mentally stable boys do not make great soldiers
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@Best.Korea
Conclusion: Girls matter much more than boys.
we have strong instincts to protect what we perceive as the most vulnerable
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@Double_R
The concept of meaning has no place in this conversation. If you are claiming something is objective then it must also be, in theory, objectively verifiable. 2+2=4 is objectively verifiable
well stated
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@oromagi
slaves are always defined as people so that seems like a pretty easy beat
The word Robot is drawn from an old Church Slavonic word, robota, for “servitude,” “forced labor” or “drudgery.” The word, which also has cognates in German, Russian, Polish and Czech, was a product of the central European system of serfdom by which a tenant’s rent was paid for in forced labor or service. [**]
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@Lemming
@Elliott
are you familiar with the story of the watchmen ?No, it isn’t a story I’m familiar with.
the conclusion is that in order for humanity to consider themselves as a single ingroup - they must perceive an alien threat
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@Mharman
It's pretty clear the removal of the foreskin and FGM are vastly different procedures in their method and results. Therefore, comparing the two is not optimal.
Each year in the United States more than 100 newborn baby boys die as a result of
circumcision and circumcision complications. This is the alarming conclusion of a study,
published in the Journal of Boyhood Studies which examined hospital discharge and
mortality statistics in order to answer two questions: (1) How many baby boys dies as a
result of circumcision in the neonatal period (within 28 days of birth)? (2) Why are so few of
these deaths officially recorded as due to circumcision?
The study, by researcher Dan Bollinger, concluded that approximately 117 neonatal deaths
due directly or indirectly to circumcision occur annually in the United States, or one out of
every 77 male neonatal deaths. This compares with 44 neonatal deaths from suffocation, 8
in automobile accidents and 115 from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, all of which losses
have aroused deep concern among child health authorities and stimulated special programs
to reduce mortality. (Remember those red noses?) Why, the study asks, has the even greater
number of deaths from circumcision not aroused the same response? [**]
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@zedvictor4
A person howsoever labelled, still gets up in the morning and motivates themselves to do stuff.Why would a true nihilist even bother to do that?Because nihilism isn't an inherent condition.Survival is the inherent norm and survival gives us purpose.Nihilism is just intellectual fluff.
a nihilist strips away every shred of unnecessary "meaningfulness"
and this leaves them free to focus on what can't be stripped away
survival instinct is just the starting point
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@Double_R
Meaning is necessarily the product of a thinking mind.
exactly
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@Elliott
Personally I would like to see the group identity encompass all humanity. I don’t know if it is possible, you would need to eliminate nationalism, racism and religious divide … not easy.
are you familiar with the story of the watchmen ?
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@Double_R
What is so difficult about this?
because there is only one possible "moral standard"
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@Greyparrot
They questioned one person, not the vast array of failing DC institutions.
always blame the individual for systemic failures
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@Greyparrot
Corporatism (“corporativismo” in Italian) was one of the cornerstone principles in Mussolini’s fascism, and had to do with the way society and the economy would be organized, with state power at the head of a system of guilds or corporations (“corporazione”) representing each major industry. [**]
The Great Depression spurred State ownership in Western capitalist countries. Germany was no
exception; the last governments of the Weimar Republic took over firms in diverse sectors. Later,
the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. In doing
so, they went against the mainstream trends in the Western capitalist countries, none of which
systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization in Nazi Germany was also
unique in transferring to private hands the delivery of public services previously provided by
government. The firms and the services transferred to private ownership belonged to diverse
sectors. Privatization was part of an intentional policy with multiple objectives and was not
ideologically driven. As in many recent privatizations, particularly within the European Union,
strong financial restrictions were a central motivation. In addition, privatization was used as a
political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party. [**]
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@Greyparrot
You have to wonder if questioning the government automatically disqualifies one from being a "true democrat"
it depends on which flag the government is currently waving
they were more than willing to "question the government" when GWB and when DJT were sitting in the big chair
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@zedvictor4
Because true nihilists would have long since topped themselves.
please explain
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@Shila
A nihilist understands that things will probably not get better for us as individuals any time soon. They know the world is too broken to hope for a reasonable piece of it. But a new generation of nihilistic activists have shown the capacity this has to inspire action, not apathy. Because before you can be truly motivated to reimagine a new world, you have to totally lose faith in the old one.
great point
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@Double_R
The standards are always the starting point. And the standards are chosen, subjectively, by the individual.
exactly
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@Mharman
No. The two procedures are vastly different in practice. To comapre the two is ridiculous.
how are they materially different ?
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@Greyparrot
*mindblown*The people fighting fascism are actually fascists!
yes
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@Greyparrot
merging corporate and political power = fascismBy that definition, the so-called "inflation reduction act" was Fascist.
yup
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@Sidewalker
No Republican should be allowed to speak until they condemn Fascism.
merging corporate and political power = fascism
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@Best.Korea
"Finally, we agree on something! Our government does suck! Good thing we can vote some of them out. Not a option in North Korea"In theory, you can. However, there seems to be no historical evidence of that. You vote out one, another one comes who is equally bad.
well stated
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@Best.Korea
Its really just an expansion on self governing and personal sovereignty.
sounds interesting
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@Mharman
Optional for parents to decide. Also, it's a medical procedure, not a sex act. As for mutilation, it's a small flap of skin. You're not losing anything significant.
do you subscribe to that same reasoning when muslims choose to circumcise their infant girls ?
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@zedvictor4
Communism isn't doable. As all people are not equal.
the ideal of communism is modeled after a family
everyone is cared for
nobody gets ejected because they are sick or lame
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@Best.Korea
Optional? Sorry, could you explain to me how is it optional for a baby? Are you saying babies consent to have their penises cut and mutilated?Also, you say its not rape. Lets see: 1) nonconsensual 2) touching, cutting and penetration of genitals... yeah its rape.Also, you seem to believe that North Korea is dictatorship. However, Kim family has approval rating of over 90% by their citizens. Compared to that, most US presidents dont even have 55%. Awkward.
exactly
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@IwantRooseveltagain
step one,
dehumanize your opponents
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@Shila
is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 20 years ?is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 100 years ?It is practical to have an expiry date on copyright material.Generic drug makes have to wait 10 years before producing a generic copy of the original drug to allow the company to recover research and other costs.
do you apply this same logic for books and movies and music ?
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@Shila
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponentIs that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.and do you think that was an effective tactic ?Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.
i doubt trump found it personally persuasive though
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@Athias
always blame individuals for systemic failuresNot blaming the individuals--at least, not entirely. Only that individuals should own up and take responsibility for feeding those system failures--and I use that term loosely given that "failure" is contingent on the system's goal.
stated goals and ACTUAL goals of course rarely being coherent
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@Athias
what the fuck is a "culture problem" and how do you propose to "fix" it ?It's going to have to start with the individuals concerned. In the words of the illustrious Denzel Washington, and I'm paraphrasing here, "if you believe the system is rigged against you, then why help it?"
always blame individuals for systemic failures
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@Greyparrot
I would like to address the same problem Coal brought up which is the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family
so basically, if a woman qualifies for SNAP, it shouldn't matter if she has a live-in boyfriend or a husband ?
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@Shila
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponentIs that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.
and do you think that was an effective tactic ?
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@Shila
That is why you need moderators and judges.
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
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@Public-Choice
the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments areis the PERSON you are debatingSELF-MODERATED DEBATESWell few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.
that's why you need MORE than just "facts and evidence"
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@Shila
And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.
is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 20 years ?
is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 100 years ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Well technically fighting with al-Qaeda would not be a misdemeanor but I take your point.All unjust incarceration must have consequences for those who made the decision to imprison or continue imprisonment.
i believe they were being held "pending charges"
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@Shila
Above is a sample of the confusion raging on the subject of morality.
how do you personally determine what is a "moral issue" and what is not a "moral issue" ?
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