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@Wylted
Stupid question. If a God was talking to him, then asking which God is relevant. If no God was talking to him, asking me which God was not talking to him is stupid. No God was talking to him, genius
Thinking about this in purely logical terms, you can only eliminate the gods that never tell people to kill people.

I'm not sure which god you're thinking of, but you certainly can't eliminate ALL gods.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I think that you need to think of a site like this a bit like a nuclear reactor: you need to get it started with some initial material, then feed it new fissile material in order to keep the reaction going. If you introduce too many dampening elements, like lead rods they will suppress the reaction and slow it down, perhaps even snuffing it out. The people who are completely fixed in their opinions and also incapable of elegantly defending their positions are lead rods.
Well stated.
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@Wylted
However I think an application of ocean's razor would suggest, God was not talking to this guy
Which god exactly ?
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@oromagi
I agree with 3ru7al when he says the role is more ombudsman than president.
THANX
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@EtrnlVw
It is impossible and should be impossible to keep any member out of any particular thread.

Everyone is welcome to participate in the philosophy section and or any other section for that matter.

I'm just glad we have a religion section to distract the fringe.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD, GET THE FUCKING VACCINE ALREADY, YOU FUCKING FUCKS
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@949havoc
Of a 738-word performance, 15% of all words singularly repeat 109 times.
This is an ATTENTION WAR.

Every comment on this post is another point on the scoreboard.
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@EtrnlVw
I mean what's the point in even coming to a forum tailored for spiritual concepts and discussion just to claim atheism/materialism,
The exact same reason Mormons knock on the doors of strangers.
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@949havoc
Any comment directed at the speaker (or their identity and or character and or state of mind) instead of their words is technically an AD HOMINEM ATTACK.
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What makes religion not a philosophy, and vice versa
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@949havoc
Authoritarianism is amplified by censorship.
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What makes religion not a philosophy, and vice versa
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@949havoc
Religion contains implicit philosophy.

For example, many religions are implicitly authoritarian.

These belief systems are valuable to and promoted by people who want to justify an authoritarian form of government.

These adherents also tend to even organize their own family units into authoritarian hierarchies.

These adherents imagine that authoritarian hierarchies are intrinsic and necessary and even project them onto the animal kingdom with terminology like "queen bee" and "queen ant" and "alpha dog", when, in reality, these animals function much more cooperatively than this terminology implies.

On the other hand, there are some religions that are gnostic.

These gnostics have neither priests nor prophets nor dogma one must submit to.

The Essenes, best known for their association with the Dead Sea Scrolls, are one prominent example of a gnostic sect.

Taoism also contains a fundamentally gnostic principle.
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A flawed voting system
and more on appealing to what voters think equals winning
that's the tricky bit.
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@oromagi
Well, let's recall QAnon is supposed to be a single individual working for the Dept. of Energy with a Q clearance.  One would assume that individual would represent core Q and 8kun certainly represented itself as the portal for that individual 2019-20.  Now that that claim is debunked, I'm not sure what would represent core QAnon (or even how a religion persists after their prophet has been exposed as a fraud).  I have read that the most popular QAnon site this summer is QSear.ch, and as the .ch domain demonstrates that site is being run by China.  I think the 8kun server is in a backyard shed in Portland now but the site security is being run by the Russian military out of St. Petersburg.   There's little to suggest that any core American interest is generating content now.
How many people have you actually had conversations with who claim to be part of Q ?

That's all I'm saying.

I wouldn't trust a Muslim to describe all Christians, and in the same way I wouldn't trust a Christian to describe all Muslims.

The "story" you've been fed about the origin and existence (and demise) of Q is not the same story you get from individuals who self-identify as Q.
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@drlebronski
949havoc is likely fauxlaw especially when you look at how he writes, look at havocs debates the way he structures arguments is the same as fauxlaw he just made it abc's to look a little different he also seems to know a lot about the constitution.
Well, I certainly hope so.

Everyone deserves a clean slate.
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I AM THE NEW POTENTATE OF THE RELIGION FORUM
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@drlebronski
CONGRATULATIONS ARE IN ORDER
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@oromagi
THANX
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@oromagi
Well, a guy we just voted into the hall of fame a couple of weeks ago made a big speech about how screwed up voting is
LINX PLEEZ
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@Wylted
Then, by the same token, god owes all children-of-god nourishment and protection.
That's retarded. He doesn't need to adhere to the standards he has for others. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. 
This seems rather obviously hypocritical.
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@Wylted
Just start with knowing the universe has a creator, and didn't just magically appear out of thin air. All knowledge starts with that.
You must be referring to NANABOZHO.
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@Wylted
Does a parent "owe" their offspring nourishment and protection ?
Yes, God commands it.
Then, by the same token, god owes all children-of-god nourishment and protection.
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@oromagi
On the day of election, the conspiracy manufacturing  project known as QAnon seems to have come to sharp end
The QAnon you read about in the news is not the core Q.

The QAnon you believe is isolated to chanchan is not the core Q.
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@Wylted
Ok, so the god of the "chosen people" who have successfully created their own quasi-theocratic ethno-state.  Good call
Whites are the real jews. The ethnic state belongs to the pseudo jews who belong to the synagogue of satan
How do I know which group is the one and only most true and sincere followers of the "god of abraham, isaac and moses" (GOAIAM).
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@Wylted
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Moses.
Ok, so the god of the "chosen people" who have successfully created their own quasi-theocratic ethno-state.  Good call.
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@MisterChris
mostly an elected advisor to the mod team, a lobbyist on behalf of the DART community.
OMBUDSMAN
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@Wylted
What do you propose we do with the DEISTS ?
Limit them to just explaining how their belief system works and ban anyone taking the thread off topic by challenging their beliefs. The philosophy section is for challenging theistic beliefs 
RELIGION is a sub-category of PHILOSOPHY.

The only reason the RELIGION category even exists is because we'd like to try and keep the kinds of people it attracts OUT of the PHILOSOPHY forum.
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@Wylted
Does a child "owe" their parent lifelong servitude in return
Yes, absolutely. 
Zoiks.
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@Wylted
There is NO case where I (or anyone else) "owes" god anything.
You owe God whatever the fuck he tells you, you owe him. Whether you feel it is fair or not. 
Which god exactly do I pay and when should I expect their flaming sword messenger boy and talking donkey to contact me.

I'd hate to miss that phone call.
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@Wylted
100% We will work on sending them to the philosophy section
What do you propose we do with the DEISTS ?
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@Wylted
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD

IMPERFECT WORLD = IMPERFECT GOD

So worst case scenario, God is imperfect. You still owe him your existence. 

Best case scenario, you have very limited human knowledge and would not recognize perfect if you saw it. 
There is NO case where I (or anyone else) "owes" god anything.

Does a parent "owe" their offspring nourishment and protection ?

Does a child "owe" their parent lifelong servitude in return ?
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@Wylted
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD

IMPERFECT WORLD = IMPERFECT GOD
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@ebuc
So, 3RuAL,  you neither agree nor disagrees with my assessments ergo you are sit in middle of road, neutral philosopher.  Yes? No?
I am unable to detect a coherent policy proposal from your yammerings.
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@ebuc
So it appears, as tho you { 3RuAL } only concedes to God's/Universe's  --includes sub-catagory multiverse ---  inviolate physical laws/cosmic principles, and eschew all human laws?  Yes? Is my assessment  if you overall policy in regards to the question marks you asked of me?
LAW IS CODIFIED MOB RULE.
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@ebuc
5} Oh wait, you might be one of those who belive there should exist no human laws, only physical laws aka cosmic principles ergo, God/Universe already has in place { Earth } all the laws 3ru needs or would ever want on planet Earth. ? ? ?
LAW IS CODIFIED MOB RULE.
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@ebuc
martial law ?
4} There are times and places --global martial law--- for it to occur. 
Perhaps in a massive natural disaster and or actual warzone.

Ex vaccines approved as safe should be mandated globally ergo global martial law. Dont you agre3Ru?
Nope.
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@ebuc
censorship ?
3} There are places for it occur. Dont you agree 3ru?
Nope.
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@ebuc
what's your policy proposal ?
2} In regards to what specifically?
In regard to the "point" you're trying to make.
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@ebuc
here's not much point interacting with you on this topic if you're just going to make up my side of the discussion out of pure imagination.
1} You evade the "point" of my tough questions.  Why?
Please present the "point" of ONE of your (self-described) "tough questions".
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@secularmerlin
@Athias
@oromagi

I have recommended:

  • auto-loss on first forfeit (to save voters time and effort)
  • setting debates for a minimum number of votes before closing- 3 seems reasonable
  • Make voting the price of  initiating a debate: something like writing 3 votes earns you 1 debate
This is the first I've seen of these proposals.

A resounding YES to ALL THREE.
Have you seen this ^^^ ??
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@n8nrgmi
I'm STEEL-MANNING your position here,

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@ebuc
I'm STEEL-MANNING your position here,

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@Mesmer
This isn't going to convince anyone -- completely worthless article.

Also, saying the f word a hundred times in an article doesn't make you even remotely funny.
I for one, admire the effort.
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@Conway
At the end of the day, this is a decision that you should make for yourself in consultation with your preferred doctors. 
Well stated.
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@n8nrgmi
I ALREADY HAD COVID19.

NO VACCINE NEEDED.
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@oromagi
I sense a deep ambiguity about marketing this site.
It's more of a "secret garden".
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@Crocodile
That's around 77% of the user base not posting stuff that matches the average.
That's how averages work.

And that's why averages are always misleading.
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@oromagi
I have recommended:

  • auto-loss on first forfeit (to save voters time and effort)
  • setting debates for a minimum number of votes before closing- 3 seems reasonable
  • Make voting the price of  initiating a debate: something like writing 3 votes earns you 1 debate
This is the first I've seen of these proposals.

A resounding YES to ALL THREE.
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@oromagi
there are many worthy debates that end unvoted, much to the discontent of regular debaters.  Proper voting requires a lot of time and consideration and yields little reward-there's a lot of challenges and a lot of resentment that sometimes carries over to other debates.
100% THIS.
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@ebuc
Pick one question at a time.
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@949havoc
Theoretically, the process of moderation ought not differ from the published policy, SPES or whatever. But I'm saying the proposed process of a tiered banning system is too cumbersome, which opens up opportunity for variation; it does not reduce it. 
For example: A company is trying to define precise process instructions, and decides that the Materials Dept ought to have purchase order duplicates in several other depts, Engineering, Production, Accts. Payable, etc, and each dept is to have a specific color of the P.O. That's similar to the detail of SPES. Who cares what color each dept gets as long as it gets a copy of the P.O.? Who cares what tier an infraction is in? Define the infractions and a penalty for them. Period. Set a repeat maximum regardless of type, and permanent ban the offender. And why should a role such as the suggested president be allowed any bans? Dumbs down the system.
After reviewing the text of the policy, it is simultaneously too detailed and too vague.
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PROPOSAL
Harassment

NOTE: Moderation reserves the right to impose restraining orders as necessary. Should an RO be imposed to prevent harassment, violation of that RO will be handled as detailed in the RO section below. In other words, except as otherwise noted, violation of RO’s will be treated separately from an instance of targeted harassment between non-RO’d users as detailed in this section.

If a user incessantly harasses another user by way of creating call-out threads, derailing unrelated topics with impertinent grudges, failing to comply with the reasonable requests of the other user, inciting others to harass, or engaging in any other form of targeted harassment, moderation shall
FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again engages in targeted harassment unapologetically, moderation shall issue a 30 day ban and then repeat A.
ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=4(x2) whereyequals ban time in months andxequals the number of infractions after C.

Violence and Criminal Behavior
NOTE: Unlike all other sections, any violation of the Violence and Criminal Behavior policy will result in an immediate ban.

If a user threatens violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures), moderation will
FIRST, issue a 30 day ban and impose a restraining order between the two users.
IF the user again threatens violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures), moderation shall issue a 90 day ban and reinstate a restraining order.
IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 90 day ban, moderation shall issue a permanent ban.
If a user promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, moderation will
FIRST, issue a 90 day ban and request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF the user again promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, said user will receive a permanent ban from the site.
If a user promotes or encourages suicide or self-harm, moderation shall
FIRST and FINALLY, issue a permanent ban. Moderation shall not tolerate the purposeful endangerment of lives.
If a user engages criminal activity, moderation shall
FIRST and FINALLY, issue a permanent ban.
If a user promotes criminal activity, moderation shall
FIRST, issue a 90 day ban and request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF the user again promotes criminal activity, moderation will issue a permanent ban.
If a user engages in or promotes the sexual exploitation of minors, moderation shall
FIRST and FINALLY, issue a permanent ban.

Safety and Privacy

If a user intentionally exposes or threatens to expose the sensitive information of another user (i.e. real name, address, social security, and all other private or identifying information) without express permission from the exposed party, moderation shall
FIRST and FINALLY, issue a permanent ban.
If a user shares confidential content from private messages without the consent of the respective authors, moderator approval, or valid justification, moderation shall
FIRST, request the user cease & desist this behavior.
IF adequate time passes and the user defies A, moderation will issue a 30 day ban and repeat A.
IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 30 day ban, moderation shall issue a permanent ban.

Objectionable Content

If a user posts or links to media that is excessively gory or violent, moderation will
FIRST, issue a 21 day ban and request the user cease & desist this behavior.
IF the user again posts or links to media that is excessively gory or violent, moderation shall issue a 90 day ban.
IF the user continues to defy moderation, they will receive a permanent ban.
If a user posts or links to pornography or other explicit adult sexual material, moderation shall
FIRST, issue a 90 day ban and request the user cease & desist this behavior.
IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 90 day ban, they will receive a permanent ban.
If a user engages in commercial advertising anywhere on the site (barring bot and/or corporate accounts), moderation shall
FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again unapologetically engages in commercial advertising anywhere on the site, moderation shall issue a 14 day ban and then repeat A.
IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 14 day ban, moderation shall issue a 60 day ban and then repeat A.
ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=4(x2) whereyequals ban time in months andxequals the number of infractions after C.
If a user spams (including overtly repetitive nonsensical posts), moderation shall
FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again unapologetically engages in spam, moderation shall revoke user privileges wherever necessary and repeat A.
ALL additional infractions after B shall be met with a 10 day ban and then a repeat of A.
If a user’s content includes unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall
FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.
IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again unapologetically engages in unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall issue a 30 day ban and repeat A.
IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 30 day ban, moderation shall issue a 90 day ban and then repeat A.
ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=6(x2) whereyequals ban time in months andxequals the number of infractions after C.

Restraining Orders

NOTE: SPES will use SupaDudz’s Reform of Restraining Orders on DebateArt.com as a standard for RO policy and enforcement as detailed in the following. Nonetheless, should a user blatantly or unreservedly defy their restraining order, moderation reserves the right to impose penalties according to the SPES Harassment section.

If one party comments on the other’s original thread that is of a tame/vanilla topic and their comment is not a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, that user will not be warned or punished.
If one party comments on the other’s original thread that is of a topic of conflict (i.e. religion, politics, etc.) and their comment is not a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, that user will not be warned or punished, but will be reminded to remain cautious of the RO.
If one party comments on the other’s original thread and their comment is not a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, but the moderation team discerns that the comment is malicious in intent or constitutes derailment of the thread, that user will receive a warning.
If one party comments on the other’s original thread and their comment is a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, but the moderation team discerns that the comment is not malicious in intent or does not constitute derailment of the thread, that user will be notified to remain cautious of the RO but no warning will be given.
If one party comments on the other’s original thread and their comment is a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, and the moderation team discerns that the comment is malicious in intent or constitutes derailment of the thread, that user will receive a warning.

EXCESSIVE REPETITION OF WARNS DUE TO VIOLATIONS OF 1-4 WILL RESULT IN A 3 DAY BAN.

If one party comments on the other’s original thread and their comment is a DIRECT response to the thread’s author, and the moderation team discerns that the comment is malicious in intent or constitutes derailment of the thread AND violates the CoC, that user will receive a 7 day ban.
If one party comments in a DIRECT response to the other in an outside thread, and the moderation team discerns that the comment is not malicious in intent or does not constitute derailment of the thread, that user will receive a warning.

EXCESSIVE REPETITION OF WARNS DUE TO VIOLATIONS OF 6 WILL RESULT IN A 3 DAY BAN

If one party comments in a DIRECT response to the other in an outside thread, and the moderation team discerns that the comment is malicious in intent or constitutes derailment of the thread, that user will receive a 3 day ban.
If one party comments in a DIRECT response to the other in an outside thread, and the moderation team discerns that the comment is malicious in intent or constitutes derailment of the thread AND violates the CoC, that user will receive a 14 day ban.

Special thanks to @MisterChris, @SupaDudz, @Ragnar, and @Whiteflame for helping create the SPES.

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@drlebronski
Thanks, looks like a partial file,

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