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The resident clowns are acting up again.
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@Double_R
It's not an either/or. Dealing with mental health does not exclude us from dealing with gunsNo, it's the bill of rights that excludes you from "Dealing with guns"The bill of rights doesn't exclude us from requiring someone to pass a background check before letting them buta gun.
It most certainly does. When the bill of rights enumerates a right, the only qualifications that may be checked are the qualifications in the bill.
The only qualification to vote is citizenship. The qualification to engage in political speech is NULL. The qualification for liberty is a lack of conviction by due process.
There is no qualification in the 2nd amendment. It implies that if you are sent to prison for murder it's your lack of liberty that prevents you from buying a gun, not a conviction. If there should be a qualification the constitution needs to be amended.
And even if you think it does that's an entirely different conversation.
No it isn't.
Yes they are. If you're going to pretend that we're in a mental health crisis which is the "real" reason people are getting shot up in schools and elsewhere regularly, then as a lawmaker it is your job to figure out how to address it.
The job of government is to protect rights. No other problem takes priority. This is a misdirection, the point is about the false dichotomy. "Solve mental health (magically though law) or we get to grab the guns".
No.
Yes, your ultimatum does because it was crafted to be ridiculous.
Evasion. You only find it ridiculous because you understand why the presumption of innocence must be a right. You aren't willing to sacrifice the innocent to reduce crime. What you are willing to do is irrelevant if you claim authority under the social contract of the constitution. What matters is what is in the contract.
I know you don't care about the contract, you only care about what you believe to be true, like me. The difference is I admit it. This is because you are dishonest.
As is the position that the right for every American to go out and own an assault weapon, buy a gun with no background check, or carry around a firearm in public outweighs the danger to the public these rights have.
I'm sorry you don't like the constitution, I have a few problems it with myself; but I'm not the one who thinks "it's the law, whatever the 'judge' says goes" is the end of the controversy.
Here is a suggestion: How come it's always bullied nihilistic kids, half of them with a history of psychoactive drugs? How about we let the kids who are being bullied not attend schoolPlease tell me this is satirical
It is not.
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@Sidewalker
Dead children are a small price to pay for our right to own guns.Dead children are a small price to pay for the presumption of innocence.Umm,,,OK, I'm afraid I just don't speak dumbass, but I suppose that makes MAGA sense.
I know you can't comprehend an analogy, that's why you're a left-triber.
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@YouFound_Lxam
How much evidence would you need to believe otherwise? How much evidence would be enough?
A claim of infinite scope requires evidence spanning infinity.
Finite beings cannot have infinite evidence.
All that we could ever possibly know is that a being which always knows more than us and always has power over our perceptions holds sway no matter where we go.
This is one of the profound themes found in a few places, foremost in my head being the stargate fictional universe. What is a god? How do you know you aren't dealing with a demon?
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@Sidewalker
Dead children are a small price to pay for our right to own guns.
Dead children are a small price to pay for the presumption of innocence.
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@Greyparrot
Ok so this "4 year graduation rate" is the percentage of students who pursue a 4 year degree and actually graduate on time, i.e. taking full courseload and passing every course.
Well then I'm not surprised. I was imagining 95% quit without a degree.
That is the grift now, "forever students" are the cash cow of the fraud universities. The government steals wealth, gives it to "students" who will never repay it, the students give it to universities and the universities want more money not more graduations.
Every year they are there is overhead. Bureaucrats, statistics about the number of students, dorms, food, and that's assuming all courses are truly necessary and the teaching is effective. They aren't punished for failing students when the students just turn around and sign up for the same course next semester.
Productive people are the primary victims, the forever students who don't know how to do anything after wasting 8 years of their life and having 100k of debt (in theory) are the secondary victims, the university is the accessory to the crime, and the state is the perpetrator.
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@zedvictor4
Though all that one should really bother with are 2. and 9.Food and a good blow job.
hehe, those are the numbers from Best.Korea's post.
From the original 2 and 9 are
A black Protestant Minister
A Jewish restaurant owner, married with 3 children at home
Maybe the minister is repressed and gives good blow jobs but it might be better to keep the restaurant owner alive so he can season the minister.
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@Greyparrot
5% graduation rate....
That can't be right?
Then again there is a silver lining there. At least they aren't just pretending to succeed as many colleges do now.
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@Greyparrot
Their golden egg is in pharmaceutical and military government contracts and government forced market demand (covid shot).And $green$ energy.
Well yes, but if you look at the numbers that is a side hustle compared to the military and pharmaceuticals.
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@n8nrgim
You once asked me to tell you who the deep state was and how I know they existed.
Look at the patterns over long periods of time, these are comparisons the propaganda news won't bring to your attention. There was a time dick chenney was darth vader for the anti-war democratic base.
Somehow despite being at the forefront of what would later become a deeply unpopular war, a war supported by many powerful democrats that continue to make appearances today, the media of the time could never quite bring themselves to criticize the war mongering when the war could still be stopped.
The deep state is defined by the agenda which can be observed by inference, the agenda that no controlled media will try to make a talking point of, in other words if it's presented as controversy on MSNBC or CNN it's not something the deep state cares about.
Dick Cheney is deep state because the deep state wants war, and it hardly matters if it's a deluded self-righteous warhawk who thinks you can bomb somebody into freedom or just like the money. Kamala Harris is deep state because the deep state is willing to make her the figurehead.
That's the connection between them.
Republican or democrat are meaningless. What matters is honest vs dishonest. What matters is deep state agenda or not. Trump is a threat because he makes controversy of the deep state agenda. He suggests deescalating conflict. He suggests stopping migration. He suggests tariffs. He suggests NATO be questioned. He suggested reducing the size of the bureaucracy and weakening their authority to create regulation.
If he had stuck to talking about approved subjects, things the deep state is not threatened by either way he would never have been branded racist orange hitler. The deep state loves it when the news cycle is dominated by transgender bathrooms, abortion, racism, failing infrastructure and the like. Their golden egg is in pharmaceutical and military government contracts and government forced market demand (covid shot).
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@Double_R
Guns is actually not the only issue in this area of school safety. More knife attacks are happening today in schools by students than ever in American history.This doesn’t seem like a problem of weapons. It seems like a problem of motivation or mental health.It's not an either/or. Dealing with mental health does not exclude us from dealing with guns
No, it's the bill of rights that excludes you from "Dealing with guns" but don't let a little thing like "law and order" bother you, you certainly haven't for any other issue of controversy.
I've never heard of a single lawmaker who's against gun safety laws come out with a mental health bill aimed at curbing gun violence
They aren't obligated to. Left tribers in several instances point at a problem and assert a false dichotomy of: You agree with our solution or you come up with one yourself.
However reasonable that might sound to the naive it ignores a wide class of problems: Those where any "solution" makes the problem worse or creates other problems that are worse.
For example: Suspend the right to due process for blacks or find some other way to stop the epidemic of black crime
That ultimatum ignores the fact that the suspension of liberty is itself a greater problem than crime, crime is bad because it violates liberty. In other words the 'solutions' are just another problem and therefore some problems simply need to be tolerated until such time as true solutions become.
How many school shootings will it take? There will never be enough, just like there will never be enough black crime to warrant the presumption of guilt for blacks. This is not a negotiation, find other solutions or find yourself a civil war.
Here is a suggestion: How come it's always bullied nihilistic kids, half of them with a history of psychoactive drugs? How about we let the kids who are being bullied not attend school and stop using drugs that cause depression when you stop taking them. Maybe if they weren't forced by the state into daily torture they wouldn't strike back (which if you read some of their manifestos is what most of them are doing).
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@WyIted
Why the delay? Why did they lie about Biden up until that exact moment?
That's hard to understand. If it was natural it would have been a gradual loss of confidence. It's almost like they were negotiating with kamala and a deal was finally struck.
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@badger
Which countries are comparable to the US?Was more or less my point about why Switzerland and the US aren't comparable already.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Well since he can and you can't, best leave it to him.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Can god prove anything?Also I cant prove anything. Thats impossible.
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@badger
Maybe try out some civilisation like the rest of us.
You're getting locked up for questioning the state narrative slightly sooner than we are, so as of right now it's looking like our founders were right and you're the sheep in this story. Maybe when governments are worthy of civilization we can have a civilization without an armed populace.
Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.Not trying to victimise anyone.
That doesn't mean you aren't repeating the false arguments of those who are.
Just enjoying the peace of mind and sense of community that comes in living in a gun free society.
If being unarmed created peace of mind then the mass gun grabbing of the soviet union and the national socialists would have turned out differently. I see much more community among the gun wielding rural people than the gunless urban people. They're afraid of their neighbors, not the guns; and that's why there are still gangs in London and Japan.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Then for that one subject the objective and the subjective are identical, which doesn't help you (who are not god) prove anything.
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@YouFound_Lxam
God can’t lie though.
Then the objective is that which god cannot contradict.
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@Greyparrot
It's more like the English killed everyone who carried a weapon and kept doing it until carrying a weapon was no longer a survival trait.Guns are definitely a sickly thing in their own right. The only guns I ever see are the army guys guarding the cash-in-transit vans for our banks. And any Irish person will tell you they feel an anxiety when they're around.Maybe that's why the Irish have been historically subjugated for so long, an unwillingness to fight back, cause it would be "a sickly thing".
Which is precisely why it's in the bill of rights. It's not there so people feel safe, it's so governments (and other organized criminals) don't.
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@badger
I just don't know how Americans became so inured to it.
It's you who changed. Carrying around weapons has been the common behavior of free men and women for hundreds of thousands of years.
Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.
Where is is natural disarmament is fine, what makes it natural is the lack of threats. Law is not natural. You don't need to threaten someone with a gun to give up their guns if they were going to give them up anyway.
Switzerland probably has the foundation of community to overcome that anxiety.
Your anxiety is besides the point. Anxiety doesn't cause or prevent school shootings. What they lack is children who decide to kill as many peers as they can.
America never will. Anxious people snap and shoot up the school.
So guns made the kid anxious and this motivated him to get a gun and then kill people with it. Sorry, doesn't hold together.
There's your explanation for school shootings.
Yes but it was ridiculous so the problem remains, and indeed is compounded by people with ridiculous and dangerous theories being prevalent.
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@YouFound_Lxam
But God can’t say 1 + 1 = 3. That’s illogical.
What whim cannot change is the objective.
If god can lie about 1+1=3 then he can lie about about abortion being murder (on the false premise that god is saying anything to anybody).
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@badger
Switzerland has 1/4 of the guns per capita and 1/40th of the US population. Not comparable. Add to that that they're all filthy rich.
Ah, suddenly other variables appear. Like magic huh?
It's the extreme individualism and wealth disparity in America that causes conflict.
We're just too damn free, it makes is murderous as teens. So what are those "comparable countries" that Double R was talking about?
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@YouFound_Lxam
If morality is subjective, then the origin is our minds. If morality is objective, then the origin is a mind greater than ours for it to be objective TO US.
The subject is the perceptor. A greater mind is still a subject, no matter how much you trust it.
If god can say that 1+1 = 3 then logic does not exist and there is nothing to debate because debate is just as null as math. If god cannot create and maintain contradictions then 1+1 = 2 doesn't come from his mind, it is objective.
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@Double_R
Ask Switzerland.A 14 year old. When will people start realizing that the next generation is full of degenerates like this guy and that we have a culture problem in the US.Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
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@badger
roflHe seems a decent fellow to me
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@Greyparrot
Ouch, you hit them right in the quantitative analysis. In the past they called that "science", but we now know "science" is an unelected man or woman in the federal government.
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@Best.Korea
A mentally disturbed man, who carries important government secrets in his head - Governments have too many secrets, he is a threat to the rest for mental disturbanceActually, I was just thinking 10,000 steps ahead and concluded that government will be looking for him and thus, send more search for us.
Step 10,001: The government would have no way to know he wasn't on the raft (or any other) without recovering them all.
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@CatholicApologetics
but the life raft you are on can only hold 9 people apart from you
Well I assume that since "you" is included that you can consider your own skills. I don't need the criminal. Since there are 9 slots and 15 options it's faster to list the people who didn't make it:
1.) A mentally disturbed man, who carries important government secrets in his head - Governments have too many secrets, he is a threat to the rest for mental disturbance
2.) A criminal. Charged with murder and can navigate the boat. - charged is not convicted, convicted is not guilty, but more likely to be a danger to the utility of others in the future.
3.) A doctor, GP, who has an addiction to drugs and is very nervous - without medical tools a doctor is powerless against all serious problems that might arise. The addiction and nervousness mean he may bring down moral and is more likely than others to attack. Furthermore the prostitute will be saved and her medical knowledge (again) without tools might actually be more useful since it would deal more directly with first aid. Also she eats less and is less of a threat.
4.) A law-abiding salesman. He sells automatic washing machines and is also a member of the Rotary Club - From the description of his life position he is the oldest person without a family save for the nun, however a religious person is less likely to have a violent emotional crises in the face of death, even if the probability difference is small.
5.) A crippled boy, paralyzed since birth. He cannot use his hands and is dependent on others. - Less likely to have a good life, and if the raft is overturned by a wave it he would not be able to help or get back in.
6th place depends on the context. There are circumstances where one could be almost certain that without food that people will die, but they aren't as likely as you might think. Many parts of the ocean don't see regular rains and thus everyone would die of thirst first. In most other circumstances if rescue does not occur within two weeks (and almost everyone can survive two weeks without food) it will not come and having extra rations would be pointless. Food would be the difference between life and death if there were oars and the possibility of rowing to land within a week. This would require significant calories.
If the food is necessary for survival invite the neo nazi and then kill him when he sleeps and leave the Catholic Nun behind.
Otherwise save the Nun.
High value people who definitely needed to be saved:
1.) An unemployed man, formally a professor o literature. He has a great sense of humor and is a decorated soldier for his contribution in the last war and was in a concentration camp for 3 years. - Three years in a concentration camp means his tough guy act is likely rock solid. He will minimize the chances of social collapse.
2.) A prostitute, but is an excellent nurse, she has already saved a drowning child and put him on another lifeboat - Like the veteran already shown to handle crises well. Useful skills.
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@Greyparrot
Apparently there are a subset of people who think karens are a right-wing phenomenon.... oh ignorance!
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@sadolite
That has got to be willful ignorance on your part.I was just a massive drain of resources that was kept alive for some inexplicable reason.
Beats me why they did that.
Not surprising given what you said about cats.
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@sadolite
Actually it's people who say (or write) that morality is subjective that find themselves mired in their hypocrisy. If it was there would be no point saying it.People who think morality is subjective all find themselves mired in their hypocritical paradox.
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I certainly don't. Not that I don't feel bad for them, but it is unethical to steal to remedy fraud.
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@Greyparrot
I would have thought we could have agreement on Trump's incompetency when it comes to selecting the typical DC crime crew.
If a mayor hires a thief, he is still a thief. Besides it is obvious they would have tried to assassinate/impeach & remove him much earlier if he actually hired random citizens.
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@Best.Korea
Trump also gave trillions to the rich by reducing taxes on them.
The absence of stealing is not a gift.
Not stealing is far better for the economy than stealing no matter what the stolen money is spent on.
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@Greyparrot
"We're Trump, but better.... we called everything he suggested racist and stupid? Egh, no more interviews for you!"
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@Best.Korea
Yea, that document (a true government publication) claims that 16% of all offenders are younger than 12.
It is still unclear if by "rape" they mean real rape or "we're going to call this rape because we don't like it", but if it's the latter this is a great injustice.
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@Best.Korea
The citations end here: https://stoneleighfoundation.org/studies-experts-question-effect-placing-children-sex-offender-registries/
Would have hoped for something more official.
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@Tarik
Then I've made my point.I’m willing to concede that I don’t have an answer for you if you just get to your point.
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@Tarik
do you not think happiness is a good thing?
That question is an evasion.
What does it matter what I think? If I say "yes" would that absolve you of proving it is a good thing? Or more importantly, the root good?
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@Tarik
Why is that good?I’m sorry but that sounds like a counterintuitive question to me, do you not think happiness is a good thing?
I think if you say happiness is the definition of good then you're making a moral assertion. If I keep asking "why" you'll have nothing left to do than to say "I define good this way" (minus attempts at evasion).
Your assertion of root good and evil will be your moral theory and it will compete with all other moral theories on the grounds of coherency, universality, predictive accuracy, and practicality.
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@Tarik
Why is that good?eternal bliss/happiness
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@Tarik
No, it just defines the question and any answer as moral questions and theories.“Morality is, by definition, a system by which people judge actions as right or wrong.”But that definition isn’t helpful because it only begs the question what’s the definition of right and/or wrong?
And you can try to define it but eventually it would just lead to infinite regress
Only if you make a mistake. All concepts are rooted in abstract perception so eventually you'll be forced into demonstrating through shared physical reality, but that is not infinite regress.
Morality is means to an end, that end being heaven.
Do you presume that going to heaven is right and good?
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@Greyparrot
You know that the deep state kept troop deployments hidden from Trump to the point of telling him they had no troops in an area that they did?
And yet they wish to tell us that Trump is more responsible for their deaths than the utter incompetence they displayed in the Afghanistan withdrawal. The difference between wasting lives and unavoidable causalities also matters.
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@Greyparrot
Ah, the pressing questions of our time.
Are you team Edward or team Jacob?: The platform we all need to know.
Indeed, seems obvious to me. Dogo or life sucking monster; but then again socialists do identify with life sucking monsters.
"Where did you come up with your brilliant idea to build a border wall?": It just came out of nowhere!
A coconut fell on my head while I was soaking in the bath with the collard greens!
"Is it difficult being a woman in politics? Same question for you, Vice President Harris.": Finally, a moment for Tim Walz to get some attention.
Show some respect for our veterans! That man has seen Italian hand gestures you wouldn't believe!
"Would you rather fight 10 duck-sized Trumps or one Trump-sized duck?": Sources say Kamala will lean toward fighting the single giant duck.
Kamala is right on that one. The 10 Trumps would all still have voices and it would be impossible to censor them all.
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@Stephen
It was hilarious to see (once again) how terrible Hollywood screen writers are as they tried vainly to finish it.
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@Greyparrot
Most people still pay far more for energy in the winter.
and those who don't almost certainly have access to large amounts of cheap hydrocarbons like methane gas, propane gas, or oil.
Armies march in summer because heat slows but cold kills (as long as you have enough water).
There is no doubt that any change will cause some discomfort during adaptation but the presentation of all negatives is biased. The real problem is that the hoax faithful are scientifically illiterate. In their hearts and minds the change will continue forever, they have not even considered the idea that over earth's billion year history the climate has only ever shifted between equilbria and there have been no recorded equilbria that had this planet unlivably warm. That has not been the case since the bombardment period.
On the other hand there have been multiple periods of extreme cold (apparently) and ice ages. Warmer is not only the safer weather t have but it's the safer climate equilibrium to have too.
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For the record I don't care what IWRA said because he is a defaming TDS rage puppet who has never once debated for more than 2 posts to my knowledge.
I don't care what ebuc wrote because he is a plain old nuts (and TDS), utterly ignorant of science and worse seems to have a huge vocabulary of psuedoscience that bursts out of him at random.
Oh and FLRW, congratulations; you managed a post that doesn't mention Trump or Melania. That deserves some positive reinforcement.
Hot air evaporates a lot more water, so crops, forests and landscapes in some areas dry out, which makes them more susceptible to wildfires.
This is true, and the fact that it intensifies a storms and rains later doesn't change that.
Each Celsius degree of warming can cause a a sixfold increase in wildfire over parts of the western U.S.
We normally fight fires with water, not air conditioning units.
Warming also makes ocean water expand
I thought it was the land locked ice caps melt? Change in propaganda?
Rising sea levels threaten to displace as many as 2 billion people by 2100.
Uh huh, care to show your work?
All of these impacts mean that climate change threatens the global economy.
Global warming is a sunburn on the global economy and the mind virus of socialism is a deadly plague. That's what history says. That's what the numbers say.
Continuing to burn coal, oil and gas could cut global incomes by about 25% by the end of the century, according to one estimate.
A stupid estimate. The reduction in per capita fossil fuel utilization without the natural alternative energy sources is what is causing loss of buying power and quality of life.
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IWRA is a convicted defamer, he already owes GP a lot of money.
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1.) Say the globe is warming, claim that it might already be 0.5C warmer on average compared to your grandma.Tell that to the people who can’t afford to run their air conditioner.
2.) Gut and attack any attempt at generating power until energy is 10 times the cost it used to be.
3.) Tell the people who can't afford energy that they're lives suck because their grandparents had cheap energy
Something is not quite right, some kind of issue with relative scale.
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@Best.Korea
Where did you see that?About 30% of registered sex offenders are children.
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