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Need to kill a political opponent? Well you could send your goons to "convict" him and then he just happens to die in custody, or you could "convict" him and then let the assassins go after him.

You know, whatever works. Just remember USA is always democratic and the people the Pentagon doesn't like never are!

P.S. Unlike Underdog's misinformation, this is based in fact.
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I can feel IWRA itching, frothing at the mouth almost, to spread this misinformation. So I thought I would do it for him.


Trump recently promised to bathe in and drink all the blood of his political enemies, the orange lord upon sat upon a dark throne adding "I'm basically Hitler, I was not talking about auto manufacturing and you know it. The bloodbath will be wild my precious white nationalist"

He then began kicking a baby seal.
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Just a thread where I can dump all the little puzzle pieces that each individually fail to impress certain brainwashed segments of the population. It's about the big picture and the 'context' of how everything together just kinda means something more you know?

To start us off is this (democrat politician was told someone voted in her name):

Now I encourage inquiring minds to think a little bit ahead here. Which is the more insightful:

A) Well ok everything is fine, they caught the double ballot and she voted with a provisional. When they confirm it's her that's the ballot they'll use. No harm no foul. This does not evidence any problem what so ever.

B) If she had not tried to vote, would the fraudulent ballot have counted?

No time limits, but there is a wrong answer.
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Some weeks ago a certain poster named Double_R explicitly denied that "denying a crime" was defamation. This is of course obvious, but at the time he was trying to gaslight people into thinking that Donald Trump said something else about EJC besides denying a crime that was somehow defamatory.

Well now comes MSNBC and their "legal experts" to make it very clear, that denying wrongdoing is in fact defamation (so long as you're orange).


"$91 million, based on false accusations made about me by a woman that I knew nothing about, didn't know, never heard of, I knew nothing about her."

The treasonous criminals impersonating officers of the court must be punished. Pardons and reversals are not enough. THERE MUST BE CONSEQUENCES FOR ATTACKS.

If EJC is not a public figure, and denying that she was raped is defamation, then sue me:

EJC lied. She was not raped.

Why have I not just defamed her?
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It seemed to get the votes, but people are still acting like the rules haven't changed. Why?
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"It's my dad" (paraphrasing) - Hunter Biden

For some this is old news. For others it represents a severe cognitive dissonance after years of blind denial of the evidence.
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Viva Frei  saying exactly what I've been saying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESBq98-MUoM

Almost like it's "common sense" or in other words "basic stuff".

The fact is that Biden has met all the elements of the crime they're charging Donald Trump with (according to special prosecutor Hur).

Furthermore there was the destruction of evidence by an associate of Biden's after the investigation began, which according to some people is obstruction of justice.

They simply "decline to prosecute" and choose to construe Biden's motives as pure despite the exact same (alleged) behavior and the exact same elements of the crime.

This is what a "two tiered justice system" is. It is not and cannot be "the rule of law" for a rule with exceptions is no rule at all.

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What he said  at 1:20 "There seems to be a cure for Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Side effects include bringing your nation to the brink of collapse and may not work in all cases, ask your doctor about: Having no fucking money because everything is too damn expensive


Note: I am not legally allowed to criticize the government because that's what nazis do isn't it. Those freaking anarchists hate state authority. Anyway I need to remind you this is anecdotal and Bidenomics is an amazing success (number go up = good - Colbert)
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Let's get some statistics going. It always seems to me that the left-tribe is more guilty than anyone else of whatever their prime accusations for others are. I've heard left-tribers say the inverse.

Use this thread to post all examples of when you think a faction is projecting what they are guilty of. I'll start with this:


Just shoot em in the leg Cornpop.
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For nearly a decade, in ever increasing frequency and severity left-tribers in control of state governments have violated the 2nd amendment of the US constitution AND federal court confirmations of their violation.

They try to ban guns (de facto, regardless of their claims). The supreme court tells them "that's unconstitutional" and these left-tribe insurrectionists take that as a cue to write a new law which does the exact same thing as it buys them another 16 months for it to percolate to the supreme court.

In other words they're calling the bluff of the US constitution: Supreme court? How many divisions do they have?

There are no repercussions for violating the US constitution. The very worst that happens is that after long delays you are told "stop, and don't do it again" by less than a hundred people in black robes who never show themselves in public.

When mayors declared their cities "sanctuary cities" they were publicly announcing their intention to give aid and comfort to persons committing federal crimes. Thus impeding official proceedings. That is, by the most recent definition of insurrection, insurrection.

At last, the right-tribe leadership has begun to show the first inklings of understanding the true nature of the system we find ourselves in. At last they are asking "you and what army?"

Now Trump didn't send in the army to seize any "sanctuary" cities, but under left-tribe logic he could have. Biden may send in the troops for this, but it doesn't matter who acts first because the act will happen or the supreme court will become meaningless followed shortly by the complete collapse of federal authority.

Be it collapse into pathetic powerlessness or civil war, either outcome is preferable to the inane slavery of pretending we are living in a nation of laws.
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Well I've made my decision. I need to re-register as a republican so I can vote for Vivek in the primary. I've waited to see how he would evolve in response to talking to people and he is the best-chance deep-state-killer that I know about.

A) Trump talks a lot, but when he had power he did not impress. Even if Jan 6 was a hopeful plan of the deep state, it's something Trump handed them. He should have used the military long before that day instead of hoping a bunch of angry people would have changed the block-head Pence's behavior.

B) Vivek is thinking strategically about the deep state. He is throwing out theories about what they might be planning and that is the very foundation of forming a strategy. Trump never does this. He knows they're against him, but he doesn't know how they'll attack and he doesn't do anything about it even when he knows (such as election fraud)

C) Trump said "no retribution, I'll be too busy". That is unacceptable. The instinct for revenge serves an evolutionary purpose. To destroy predators before they strike again. It applies to lions. It applies to thieves and murderers, It applies to the people of the deep state.

Through the apparatus of civilization law is the organized fulfillment of this function, hopefully rendering it obsolete; but when the law becomes a weapon of the predators the instinct becomes proper again. Which is not to say retribution needs to be any more extra-legal than what the left-tribe has already endorsed. Indeed if judged by their own standards we could probably imprison around 50,000 of them for three years without trial.

After that simply pass a law that jury selection for a federal crime must be drawn from a nation-wide pool, nullify all convictions where that wasn't the case since 2016, and try/retry everyone. Anyone who isn't found guilty again will be entitled to compensation at the expense of those cops, judges, prosecutors, and juries which victimized them.
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Some left-wingers insurrected by entering restricted areas of the capitol building.

I'm going to say Joe Biden encouraged this. Therefore according to the new interpretation of the 14th ammendment he gave aid and comfort to enemies of the constitution. Therefore he isn't president, making him an unenelected figurehead who can't be president even if he was elected.

Let's see if they get 20 years in jail...
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So uh, why was Harrison Floyd denied bail?
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In keeping with DART tradition I'll start with the clip that evoked this comment: https://rumble.com/v36ph89-joe-rogan-points-out-the-left-is-pro-war-the-right-and-left-have-flipped.html

Many have asked how I know there is such a thing as a "deep state" and can infer its motives. This is how, if these were organic interests created by the world views and values of political tribes they wouldn't switch so rapidly and with such perfect inverse images.

George Bush was a deep state puppet. Colin Powell and Cheney were probably deep state influencers.

Obama either puppet or influencer.

Trump was not deep state and impeded them

Biden is either a puppet or influencer, probably used to be influencer

This is the true dynamic of our age. The social issues of "conservative" vs "liberal" is a puppet show for the ignorant masses. The only real choice is between deep state and non-deep state.

Only the policy on military spending, inflation, and foreign domination matter to the deep state. Only those who threaten that agenda are labeled racists. Only those who threaten that agenda are so "dangerous" as to wararnt subversion of elections beyond mass propaganda.
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5000 characters really? Well I know I'll have to do this in the future and can make it pretty next time.

#1 - Pro - Definition of "Better": Sad that it has to be said, tells you something about the shenanigans that go on around here. (comment only)
#1 - Pro - ADRESSING SAFETY CONCERNS: Essentially the claim is that the risk exists but is not substantial per joule produced (specifically compared with coal).
#1 - Pro - WHY NUCLEAR ENERGY CAN AND SHOULD REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS - Nuclear plants has a high energy output: Claims nuclear power plants are powerful, while this is certainly colloquially true the kind of figures that would actually support Pro's case here would be watt/$ maintenance, watt/$ construction, or maybe watt/land area used. If Con fails to make this point this analysis won't affect scoring.

#1 - Pro - WHY NUCLEAR ENERGY CAN AND SHOULD REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS - Nuclear energy is far more fuel efficient than fossil fuels: This is not a fair point, one does not find uranium ingots lying around. A fair comparison is the energy density of uranium bearing ores vs coal or oil. Obviously it would depend on the ore, but this analysis oversimplified. If Con fails to make this point this analysis won't affect scoring.

#1 - Pro - WHY NUCLEAR ENERGY CAN AND SHOULD REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS - Nuclear reliability and longevity: The point is well taken however one of the quotations from a citation is misleading. If X costs 10% of Y in every meaningful way it doesn't matter if X only produces half the time Y does. Only the very smallest country has so few power plants that they cannot alternate and average out. Nations share energy. A useful comparison would incorporate all variables into an average power output and compare costs. If Con fails to make this point this analysis won't affect scoring.

#2 - Con - Nuclear Power is not renewable: Notes that if it does replace fossil fuels the supply will be exhausted sooner than "thousands of years", I find this argument especially poor because this claim is easily susceptible to math. Assuming the previous citations of pro as to the remaining fuel supply (which are subject to many factors) did not account for increasing demand as a replacement for fossil fuels Pro gave a link https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/nuclear-power-in-the-world-today.aspx which has the yearly energy production breakdown. The additional nuclear fuel used would be proportional to the additional energy produced. The change would be from 10.3->(10.3+2.8 + 23.5 + 36.7) = 1:7.12 so "thousands of years"/7.11 ~= 281 years. That's 281 years to perfect fusion with no carbon emissions. "renewable" was not part of the resolution, only a better alternative and the framework made it clear that the metric of acceptability was carbon emissions. If Pro fails to make this point this analysis won't affect scoring.

In this section Con also claims "nuclear energy cannot be extracted from non-radioactive elements. I will properly explain why this is in Round 2 but Pro made it seem like all elements other than iron could be used, when in reality the sources are limited." I know off the top of my head this is false but most people wouldn't so it isn't common knowledge. We'll see what Pro does.

In this section Con claims that thorium is too precious to be used for energy because it is used for its material properties. As the owner of thoriated TIG rods I can confirm, however this shows that Con's understanding of the relative scales is off by a three or four orders of magnitude. Any controlled nuclear reaction renders the material of that reaction infinitely more valuable as an energy source than a metal. If you have enough to be making metal alloys with it you have enough to power the world for a very very long time.

#2 - Con - The devious history of nuclear energy: Claims "In fact, Pro is wrong to say NE is manageably cheaper at all," and provides a comparison between nuclear and fossil in the 80s. Pro said nuclear was cheaper than the non-carbon emitting alternatives today. He did not say it was cheaper than fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are not an option allowed by the resolution. This is not a scoring difference on argument because fossil fuels are excluded however I may consider it a conduct problem as it treads close to a strawman.

Con also claims in this section "Nuclear energy is sprawled with disinformation and cover-ups to enable certain interested parties that profit from its success." welcome to earth Con, on the face of it this can hardly be expected to sway a comparison between different technologies as the problem is in the men not the technology.

#2 - Con - So, why not renewable over nuclear? : Con claims "Pro has one attack on RE; they are not reliable." That is essentially accurate. If I were to make the case for nuclear watt/$ would be my first line of attack as that is what separates feasible from fantasy. I was not making the case however so this is sufficient refutation if a refutation it is.

#2 - Con says "we have to begin using very (ironically) energy-demanding means of mining the radioactive materials", if the energy produced was not thousands of times greater than the energy required to mine it would never have been a realistic option in the first place. This is a non-issue in the energy context, a case could be made that mining unnecessarily destructive but the case has not been made yet. Even coal easily pays for its own extraction.

#2 - Con goes on to say "we actually have all the drawbacks of renewable energy on top and even perhaps worse.", he did not make that case.  The first drawback he mentioned was reliability and he in no way established that a combination of non-nuclear would be any more reliable than nuclear. Certainly having a combination of intermittent power sources increases reliability or more accurately increases 100 year event min power capacity (which is what we really care about). The exact same thing is true of multiple nuclear power sources, and since their base reliability is higher so is the combined reliability.

#2 - Con says "Solar panels themselves are recyclable", I do not know if pro will make this point so it may not affect scoring; but everything is recyclable given enough energy. Solar panels are not easily recycled like say asphalt or glass. Con also does not make the argument but creating a solar panel that lasts thousands of years with no maintenance is actually plausible while systems with moving parts or severe thermal stresses like windmills and nuclear reactors will never get there.

#2 - Con finally gets around to Chernobyl, saying "An entire city can become nearly permanently damaged (literally, life can't sufficiently grow back other than some funky mushrooms and any children born in the area will suffer" which I know to be false, but I have to hear it from Pro. I also need to see Pro point out that such an outcome is not a realistic worst case for a modern reactor.

So at this point Pro stands on reliability of nuclear over zero-carbon alternatives. Pro stands on safety but he admitted in that section that solar and wind are safer. Although interesting, Pro's sections on why nuclear is better than fossil are irrelevant.

Without a priority balancing formula safety vs reliability can't be resolved, I also hope to see some cost/time analysis from both sides. Note also that safety and reliability can often be bought with money.

#3 - Pro - Generally correct about the lack of rebuttable material (in a bad way for Con).

Pro says "Add in that nuclear is the lowest emitter of carbon diokside of the energy sources mentioned", this probably a dishonest way to present the information. No carbon emissions are required for nuclear, hydro, solar, or wind. If there are carbon emissions they are incidental to manufacturing and certainly don't need to be that way. Anyone can burn a bunch of oil making solar panels if they wanted but that's not inherent in the technology.

Pro appears to cite Con about Chernobyl... burn

Pro does point out that nuclear energy does not require initially radioactive elements, with sources, so my previous scoring decision is activated.

Pro points out fusion is renewable, I'd say if fusion isn't renewable nothing is. Also note that if we have fusion reactors nobody is going to need to burn anything much less hydrogen.

Pro points out solar panels cost a lot to recycle, hec they cost a lot to make; and you would need so so many to match a nuclear reactor... but I'm not Pro so let's see what the other rounds hold.

The wind turbines as they are currently being built are a total disaster, they fail when they should be designed to last for centuries, they produce sounds when they could be designed to be quiet. I would argue this is the result of artificial demand, when people want to brag about something more than they actually want that thing... but as they are being built Pro's critique stands.

Pro's points on Hydro are mostly overstated, except for pointing out some countries have more or less of the required resource. In fact having been interested in the subject I can say with confidence that almost no major hydro power flow remains untapped in the world. It's an amazing idea with very few downsides, but it's tapped out. Whatever power we have from them that's all we're getting.

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I honestly wasn't going to post this first thing but as is often the case some people just need to have their say, that's not going to change, and better here than derailing other topics.

I maintain that:
1. Bestiality is not inherently immoral
2. Anything which is not inherently immoral should not be illegal.

I'll respond to relevant arguments against those assertions. I have no burden of proof for the first statement, I do for the second and will provide an argument upon request.
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