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It would be fun to go around and compile all the times left-tribers on this site spewed "that's the system, respect the jury, bla bla bla". I do however have better things to do such as stare at weeds and gossip.
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@Swagnarok
No, they have absolute confidence that their characters represent 'progress', they do the "memba berry" thing for the purpose of disparaging the beloved characters by comparison.On that note, having to prop up a movie with stars from 42 years ago, even going so far as to necromance dead actors, is a sign that the writers lack confidence in the characters they've written in the present.
They brought in Han to kill him. They brought in Luke to watch him drink alien milk, whine like loser, and then kill himself in a pointless standoff with their whiny 1mm deep villain. They brought in Yoda to tell us that the Jedi order was just kind of a joke because if you were Gen Z and an asshole you could do better, so burn the books already.
They brought in Leia to show her being helpless against their unimaginative reboot enemy and as a foil for their bluehaired freak asshole admiral.
As I said in the previous post, this is a pattern. If they can't render the original cast of heroes impotent (and being dead or out of the picture doesn't work, they need them present and helpless like the useless boomers they are supposed to represent in the sick mind of the writers) they'll twist them into their grotesque ideals as with Galadriel and the attempted murder of Tolkien's universe.
What they think they understood from Asimov's foundation series shows them to be demented idiots and once again their hyper diverse rando insert shames and overshadows the original characters who have everything unique and interesting stripped from them in clumsy contradictions made by convenience for poorly designed plots.
I swear there is some level of conscious intention here. I don't think they're making it bad on purpose, they're idea of "good" is driving a steam roller over everything sacred. "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be"
They want to kill it, because deep down they know they can't live up to it and they'd rather pretend it was overblown than to feel an ounce of shame.
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@Best.Korea
but it's not made to be a separate movie (and it would still be silly).nothing to do with contradicting, defaming, and denigrating the theme, history, structure, and characters of the first six episodes and the 40 years of beloved fan lore and contributionIts just different from first 6 episodes. Its much easier if you watch it as separate movie instead.
Now is the era of stupid 'remakes' and 'sequels' what makes them all so offensive is that they intentionally sought expensive rights to adapt a fictional world and then they squashed everything that made it interesting, coherent, and beautiful.
It's almost like they hate the art and wish to deface it no matter the cost. 95% of fan fiction is more respectful insightful and admirable.
What they're doing is disgusting and I have no patience left for their mutilations or those people clueless about the original works talking about things they do not understand.
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@Best.Korea
Oh yea, that's the problem; too much "compassion", nothing to do with contradicting, defaming, and denigrating the theme, history, structure, and characters of the first six episodes and the 40 years of beloved fan lore and contribution... and replacing it with crap that wouldn't even make sense in a dying comic series.
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@Savant
Taxes are theftYou can't own landYou might like Georgism.
Let's hijack this thread shall we?
George believed that although scientific experiments could not be performed in political economy, theories could be tested by comparing different societies with different conditions and by thought experiments about the effects of various factors.
I agree. Normally people just throw up their hands if there is more than one variable, but I do think that by modeling enough variables you can see clear correlations and that is why I believe and will readily assert that all economic history has been completely consistent on one point: Economic liberty makes people wealthy, wealthy people are more peaceful than non-wealthy people, non-wealthy people get jealous, disrupt the supply chains (economic liberty) of the wealthy people and thus unnecessary suffering results.
War is just one such example.
The end of war and poverty, our golden age, awaits us just as soon as we can get the envy out of our eyes. Or in other words, if there is such a thing as too much economic liberty, an incremental change towards more liberty that resulted in a society that was worse than what existed before; I've never seen the example pointed out.
Societies become less free not because freedom wasn't working, but because it was working "too well". When you become strong, someone will want to enslave you. When you get something nice someone will want to steal it.
Applying this method, he concluded that many of the problems that beset society, such as poverty, inequality, and economic booms and busts, could be attributed to the private ownership of the necessary resource: land rent.
The boom and bust cycles have nothing to do with land rent. It is caused by irrational speculative investment prompted by government theft, spending, and later reinforced by keynesian economic theory which erroneously considers savings to be inefficient.
Inequality is partially due to differences in productive capacity. Some of course is due to theft, fraud, and equivalent actions like currency manipulation. It's not an inherent problem because people have a right to do the bare minimum if that's the kind of life they want to lead.
Poverty is relative. The only absolute poverty is starvation and exposure. People having what they want is a good, and we don't want people on average to have less quality of life than previous generations that's a very bad sign; but to the extent that this is just a synonym for inequality it is not an inherent problem.
George argues that the appropriation of land rent for private use contributes to persistent poverty in spite of technological progress
Easy to see why someone could come to that conclusion. Renting is what poor people do to make sure they stay poor, and in the case of pure ground rent it's especially easy case to argue. That's a thing in the USA for those who aren't aware. You can rent land and then plop a trailer home on it. You own the home, but not the land; and it's really the worst of everything since you still can't easily move the "house".
However, if it's the concept of rent in general simply saying you don't own the land doesn't remove it. You can rent a car, and if you rent an apartment that's not much different. If a government made it illegal to rent an apartment (besides being immoral) people would stop building apartment buildings. Then they could build condos I suppose but still since a building is something that a person (or many persons) produce it can be owned according to me and presumably according to the georgians.
George believed there was an important distinction between common and collective property.
I agree, but I wouldn't even call "collective property" property. It's just a natural resource. When you call it "property" you invoke a bunch of concepts like who owns it and how that collective entity decides things yada yada.
I would favor an entirely different conception. The only real question that needs to be answered is: How are disputed claims resolved. I wrote a draft of an example system that would work more or less by bidding with a loanable but non-alienable "claim credit", 1 per person.
I think this especially should be "written in stone" because you really do not want a government having arbitrary authority to decide what is important for what reasons just because a slight majority has an opinion. You absolutely need the wonderfully stabilizing/rationalizing effect of "put your money (or claim credit) where your mouth is".
the privilege to exclude others from locations
Yes, that is precisely the correct words to use. It's a privilege, to gain a privilege you need consent from others. Most of us want exclusive use of some land, and we certainly all trade with people who want or need this. We basically just need a system to auto-negotiate that and the only reason the normal market doesn't work is because it is premised on the concept of ownership. The free market can be rehabilitated simply by assigning every human equal stake in the natural resources of the planet.
Of course in the real world context there are national borders to be aware of, and the system would need to be considerably more complicated without the premise of a global legal framework. So you can have each county run their own version so as not to encourage any country to spam their population to take over the world.
Benjamin Franklin and Winston Churchill made similar distributional and efficiency arguments for taxing land rents. They noted that the costs of taxes and the benefits of public spending always eventually apply to and enrich the owners of land.
I don't think Franklin could have been so stupid as to say "always", and if he was boy did he not see what was coming.
Ecological economists might price pollution fines more conservatively to prevent inherently unquantifiable damage to the environment
"unquantifiable damage" is never going to be a legitimate factor.
An early criticism of Georgism was that it would generate too much public revenue and result in unwanted growth of government, but later critics argued that it would not generate enough income to cover government spending.
It's almost like somehow governments operated at 3-8% GDP and now they are like 40-60% GDP
Almost like there is something wrong with the theories that are causing people to think government expansion is a solution.
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@Best.Korea
A man in a bigfoot suit smashing someone cosplaying as a stormtrooper with a fish while screaming "Han shot first" would be better than what they have been calling "Star Wars" since Rouge One was released.
If I had to watch the terrible pedo incest anime or "star wars" 9 I would choose the former because it would not poison my enjoyment of actual star wars.
You can add this to my list of passionate topics:
Taxes are theft
You can't own land
Bestiality is fine
THE JEDI ARE NOT BOOK BURNERS WAITING FOR A MARY SUE TO SAVE THEM FROM AN END STAGE MARVEL/SHONEN VILLAIN.
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@badger
Thanks to government it's basically impossible to start a pharmaceutical company.Companies get too big to compete with then they can set prices as they like. That's obvious. We're getting rode.
Insulin is not patented, apparently it's not even that hard to make. The only reason it would possibly be overpriced is that the government is stealing money to pay for it (oh wait that's exactly what is happening) while simultaneously making it impossible for for competition to emerge (oh wait that's exactly what is happening).
So after the government screwed us royally what's the problem with capping the prices of their subverted industry? Well duh it's still impossible to start an insulin production facility which means the price will forever be a negotiation between the federal government and imbeciles in charge of the pharmaceutical oligopoly. I wonder how that will work out, I don't expect there would be any corruption or money laundering there.
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@Swagnarok
He's pretending to complain. It's right up his alley and he knew it from the start.
The question is how much more fun can he get out of it by baiting people online?
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@cristo71
The problem is that he doesn't say "these things", but you still hear them (personally).No, he distinctly said there is going to be a “bloodbath” if he doesn’t get elected… a BLOODBATH, FFS!! That means people literally bathing in the blood of their victims!
This is even worse than that mischaracterization. This is Trump saying "I like to stay hydrated" and publishing "Trump suggests he would drink the blood of children"
and then you would see the dangerous cultists like IWRA saying "blood is mostly water genius"
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@Greyparrot
Well there is the latching problem. You can flip the switch, but you can't flip it back.
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@Best.Korea
Trump isn't on this forumTrump is the president of USA now.
Joined QAnon now?
You think only forum is important.
The forum is for debate, it's where people can be responded to. I can't cross examine Trump, I can cross examine people on this forum. I did ask several pointed questions of HistoryBuff and he doubled down in every way one can. There is no room for misunderstanding, exaggeration, jokes as there is almost always for the so called "lies" of Donald Trump.
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@Best.Korea
I will likely keep reminding him that he's a cultist spreading obvious lies until he repentsTrump spreads lots of dirty lies. You dont want Trump to repent.
Trump isn't on this forum. I can guarantee you that if anyone claimed that they heard words that were not spoken and didn't tuck tail despite reviewing the public recording I would write them off as malicious or (for practical purposes) insane.
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@Greyparrot
You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.That's what they said about Jesus.I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I'm saying that if I need to "want" to hear bleach before I hear "bleach" I will never hear "bleach" because the reality I believe in (objective reality) doesn't care what I want. If Trump really said "bleach" then I would hear bleach regardless of what I wanted.
I talk about one thing, you change to something else.
The only thing I'm interested in is why you think you can lie about one thing and then be trusted to relay another accusation?
I'm not going to check the field for wolves every time you or someone like you lies.
I reference videos of him talking, where he says words.
...but not the words you claim to have seen and heard.
And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.
...Yes, which means you're wasting your time. The reason we disagree with you about Trump is very clear, we think you're delusional. How are you going to get past that? I mean if you trusted google's speech to text you could look at the written words but I don't see why you or I would expect that you could hallucinate audio but not symbols.
There is just no fixing this, I mean unless you're lying in which case the solution is clearly to confess or to stop wasting our time and log off.
jesus.... this is pointless. I reference videos of him talking, where he says words. And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.[Greyparrot] ADOL won't be satisfied until you claim these words:"Trump did not say bleach"
I thought that was obvious? Was I not making that very obvious?
and then I wouldn't be satisfied until somebody expresses some self-reflection. "Why did I believe that? Who told me do believe that? What else to I believe because I trusted these sources"
I pretty much don't care about anything else HistoryBuff has to say and I will likely keep reminding him that he's a cultist spreading obvious lies until he repents, much as I did with Underdog.
It's hopeless enough as it is to try and debate people online without people blatantly not giving a shit when they're proven wrong about publicly available recordings and documents.
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@HistoryBuff
You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.
That's what they said about Jesus.
You hear him say more than 100% of jobs went to migrants and say, "no he didn't say that mathematically impossible thing, no he really meant some other thing that isn't stupid."
I haven't claimed to hear him say anything in this thread (yet). You have. Problem is when you posted the clip he didn't say "bleach" like you said and confirmed you personally heard.
All evidence points to you being hallucinatory, and that is a level of derangement that defines "dangerous". We're so so far beyond trusting you to judge Trump, I don't even trust you to agree with an objective fact (like the transcript of a recorded video) because that is exactly the trust you have betrayed.
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@HistoryBuff
i don't have the number on hand, but something like 75% of the people trump hired for his administration don't endorse his re-election. Many of them say he's an idiot. I'm sure some of it is gossip. But you don't have 75% of your former employees saying you shouldn't be president if you are a competent president.
Then again having a cult focused on hating one man facts be damned is pretty unusual too. Who knows what they see and hear? Maybe they have hallucinations like you do.
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@HistoryBuff
The problem is that he doesn't say "these things", but you still hear them (personally).You hear voices that aren't there.no, I actually hear trump say most of these things.
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@HistoryBuff
You hear voices that aren't there.this guy says the dumbest shit, constantly.
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@cristo71
That would be the basis of four years of character assassination if the right-tribe had a functional propaganda system. I seem to remember a certain Sarah Palin saying something about Russia and Alaska, which was converted to "from my house".Then she told the paid actors that they could eventually see craters on the moon with their own eyes! *points to my own eyes*
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@Math_Enthusiast
Make sure you submit the correct vote if you're a registered American citizen.The "correct vote?" That is not how democracy works. That's how dictatorship works. Oh wait...
It's called managed democracy. All about your freedom to make the right choice. *Candidates who express views contrary to the agenda of your enlightened betters will be removed from ballots, charged with fake crimes, and shot at by lone gunmen who definitely weren't allowed to strike. This is for your own good*
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@Moozer325
Like you said happiness is an electrochemical state. A state of a biological computer purpose built with the obvious intention to survive and reproduce.
Suppose you are the architect of the universe, why would you create such a creature? Natural selection must be beautiful, or necessary for something beautiful and worthy by your arbitrary fancy.
If we could exist as spirits then there would be no need for a body or a brain, no need for fear, and thus no need to be separate from each other. In other words even given the premise that god wants pets (or children even though he supposedly invented the concept of children from nothing so it's not like he would have a pre-existing itch), the angels should have been good enough.
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So we're sure ebuc is human right? He's not a mad elder god? Not an alien driven insane by the cryrosleep on the way here?
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@ILikePie5
Shouldn't something taking LESS effort mean you can do it yourself? I don't need three tabs open to respond to anyone, regardless of effort level. If you don't think it's worth responding to, there's an even faster solution: don't respond.I just don’t bother responding cause I don’t think trolls should be fed + I don’t have enough time. GP is doing the lords work by countering the troll, so idiots just don’t believe Roosevelt. He has the time to do it, so why not
Exactly how I feel about it.
If AI was used to respond to actual arguments by an honest debater that would be informal fallacy, but IWRA doesn't make arguments and he does not debate. He insults, belittles, rants, and the only substantive assertions he ever makes are copy-pastes from the headlines (not the contents, the headlines) of the most unhinged left-tribe propaganda.
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@ludofl3x
if you're not coming up with your own ideas, what's even the point of being here?
You trying to ban IWRA, Sidewalker, HistoryBuff, FLRW, and Double R?
Actually I think FLRWs unyielding obsession with Melania's sexual behavior might be authentically originating from himself. The rest is state propaganda to a T.
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@WyIted
Why isn't Jesus the one running this thread?He doesn't feel like it.Now that the one question has been answered. Welcome to christianity brother
lol, I don't think I agree that any answer was sufficient.
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@Moozer325
I don't think mall is a real person, which is no less creepy.
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@Owen_T
Start with the good stuff:
Atlas Shrugged
The Fountainhead
Silmarilion
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
Things you should probably read as a human being:
logoi sokratikoi
Plato's republic
Corpus Aristotelicum
The bible (old and new)
Tripitaka
Mahabharata
I did read a considerable portion of the Koran but found no unique significance.
Scifi:
Everything by Issac Asimov with special focus on the robots & Bailey series and then the foundation series.
Larry Niven, but especially known space and especially Ringworld and the surrounding context of the puppeteers. Kzinti are fun but not really important to the overall epic.
Liu Cixin
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@HistoryBuff
Are labor, patents, and IP licensing included?Yes. Any costs for production are included.
Then all that is left is investment capital and savings.
So which will you sacrifice?
Why would you think it would be a good idea for one but not the other?Because hospitals aren't producing anything.
Different dynamics for goods and services? Why?
They are providing a service. And a service that is one that if people don't get it, they die.
Medicine is a good, not a service; but sometimes if you don't get it you die. Food is also a good, and when you don't get any you always die.
When government tries to take over food production 60 million people die. Government can't make the bread (without enormous waste), and government can't deliver the bread (without enormous waste). There is no difference between goods and services that is relevant to why governments can't compete in the free market. The reason is that governments steal from those they claim to be helping. When consent doesn't matter then abuse runs amok, it doesn't matter what you call the individual or the organization ignoring consent.
If government could do it better it wouldn't need to destroy the private sector it could just beat it in the market.how so? If the government came in and offered goods or services at a lower price the right would still weep about it since they are funded by tax payers.
Of course, stealing is cheating.
If your theory of economics was correct the government production chains should pay for themselves.
You said 10,000% profit margin over cost of production. That means if the government had a 5% profit margin it could dominate the market and pay for the cost of production with spare change. There would be no need to steal from anyone (taxes).
That is what a superior production system would do. It doesn't because you have it backwards. The free market has a 5% profit margin and the government has the 10,000% corruption/waste which is just the profit margin of the parasitic cheaters.
What about Kamala trying to delete private healthcare?she is definitely not doing that.
A single payer system would solve sooo many problems.
So would abolishing government intervention in the economy (beyond the legitimate role of investigating and punishing fraud and theft).
Which part stifles competition?lots of it.
See what GP said.
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@HistoryBuff
We're just going around in circles now, so there's no point in going on.
rofl, indeed. Time for the strategic retreat. Team rocket is blasting off again. Again, take lessons from double R, he's an expert at forming wide circles so that he can claim ignorance by the time the discourse loops back again.
So basically what you would do is deflect for the next three pages and then pretend like Trump said bleach and there is no way UV is a disinfectant that could be used inside a lung.
Trump cultists pretend he's smart
Moving the goalposts a bit?
Debunking claims that someone is stupider than a five year old based on a lie you keep telling isn't the same as saying "he's smart"
that he didn't actually say.
We still talking about "bleach"? because that's what he didn't actually say; and yet you heard him say it. How long have you been hearing voices?
So thanks for confirming for me.
That's right, turns out your cult was right the whole time. No confirmation bias AT ALL. I advise you continue to back into the bushes, if I have the patience to keep Double-R from escaping the context, I can certainly handle you.
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@HistoryBuff
And a not-so common disinfectant is uv light, which the president clarified at the start AND the end of that clip.yes, and injecting light would be an equally stupid thing to say. He had 2 very stupid thoughts in this clip. Putting UV lights into the human body, and injecting disinfectant.
Ignorant is talking about subjects you don't understand. Stupid is not understanding the difference between confusion, ignorance, and stupidity. Delusional is refusing to accept proven facts and substituting preferred beliefs for them, such as hearing literally "bleach".
But some people, such as yourself, choose to just ignore what he said and pretend he meant something else.
Now now, don't project. You're the one who just proved you choose to ignore what he said and pretend he meant something else.
Not only did he say it was uv light twice, but also repeated twice that the light knocks it out in 1 minute.this is just sad. Show me how you "inject" light. cultists will just make any excuse they can for him.
narrow-band UVA therapy administered by a novel device via endotracheal tube
If you feel yourself getting close to breaking, go find Double-R. His bigotry unflappable. No matter how badly his claims are disproved he will call it a meaningless "gotcha". Nobody can force you to leave your cult. This is just a "gotcha", it's all a trick. We nasty maggots are just trying to lead you away from the pure path. You are safe because nobody can make you believe anything.
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@HistoryBuff
Maybe this is the Mandela effect working on your mind as you remember Trump saying the exact word "bleach"Lol, this is sad.
I agree, you should stop.
We all heard him say that he thought injecting disinfectant (a common one being bleach)
Another is honey. Yet another is streptomycin.
Yes it is common to use a different word for the types of disinfectant agents that are used inside living tissue, calling the antibiotics, which would also be incorrect because viral particles are not bacteria and are not affected by what is normally referred to as "antibiotics".
All that nuance, the obvious fact that Trump was just repeating what he heard in the preceding presentation and nothing more sinister or stupid than that, gone; because orange man bad and bleach is one of a hundred products labelled as disinfectant.
This is equivocation (the fallacy), and even without resolving whether it is fallacious or not your statement
So what he really means is "bleach" (even though he didn't say it)he definitely did say that.Did you literally hear the words come out of his mouth?yes. so did everyone else.
Is false.
Now what do we know about people who ignore what someone said?
No, what he really meant was something else but you just didn't understand him. Cultists...
That's right, they're cultist. Glad we sorted that out. So, cultist, want help deprogramming?
"Yes Trump said heat kills the virus but please don't set yourself on fire" - CDCPretty much sums it up.Are you sure you understand that comment?
Yes
They are making fun of trump supporters.
No.
They are saying that trump's supporters are so stupid that they need to be told not to kill themselves.
No, they are saying the deep state is so deceptive that they would take the true statement (which Trump would be merely repeating) that heat kills the virus as a prescription for immolation. That is precisely what happened when "disinfectant" was transformed into "bleach" by the propagandists, something you clearly believed without question and which (being a cultist) you will probably never disavow.
Trump, in this very clip, suggested that injecting a disinfectant, such as bleach
...or light
could cure covid
Your hallucinations are getting more detailed.
Anyone with a fully functional brain knows that would kill you.
Since you seem to be taking care of yourself despite full blown hallucinations and an epistemology that leaves you helpless against cult indoctrination I would say that even some people with less than fully functional brains know injecting bleach would kill you.
But trump supporters might just do it.
This is called gaslighting, and I'm afraid it's effectiveness is coming to a swift end.
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@Greyparrot
In that video that HistoryBuff posted there is a comment:
"Yes Trump said heat kills the virus but please don't set yourself on fire" - CDC
Pretty much sums it up.
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@HistoryBuff
How much did it cost to make per unit?
Are labor, patents, and IP licensing included?
Predatory companies gain control of a market
How could they do such a thing? What kind of institutional power would allow them to impede competitors?... something that made rules backed by military force maybe?
So be my guest. Start with California. Government farms. Government hospitals.government hospitals sounds great. We should definitely do that. But no one is suggesting government farms.
Why would you think it would be a good idea for one but not the other?
I mean I know government seizing farms killed 60 million people, but that's probably because people need food more than medical care. There is still every reason to expect total failure.
There are all kinds of things you can do without the government getting directly involved in producing products.
Yea, everything; but that is besides the point. If government could do it better it wouldn't need to destroy the private sector it could just beat it in the market.
The question is not "what can free people do", it's "what can your bureaucracies do without stealing from the people and threatening competitors"
I believe you should have the liberty to try any production system you want, if it's superior it will take over.but superior for whom?
*drum roll* The Customer (the public, the consumer).
A small percentage of the population benefits enormously from the current system
You talking about IWRA? He keeps bragging about his wages doubling.
and those people have massively outsized political power.
Are you trying to imply that they might use their money to buy and control media, social media, advertisements, influence academic institutions, and even control the government through shadow campaigns, lobbying, and backroom pre-primary deals?
I wonder what that would look like. I wonder if a bunch of clueless sheep would blindly believe all those subverted institutions and foolishly give their political support to the agenda which would lead to "those people" getting richer and more powerful (even if it's through theft and fraud)?
Only an inferior system must use force to prevent competitors from co-existing.I have not suggested using force to prevent competitors.
Good, then what do you think about price fixing? What about Kamala trying to delete private healthcare?
My point is that the current system stifles competition and encourages gouging.
Which part stifles competition?
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@HistoryBuff
Now full blown hallucinations. That is truly an advanced stage of TDS.So you vaguely remember someone in this thread posting a link which you presumed was a fact check from an organization you trusted not to lie to you about what Trump said but cannot be bothered to watch a video of him supposedly saying.I have seen him say it.
Did you literally hear the words come out of his mouth?yes. so did everyone else.
So what is the timestamp with "bleach"?
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It would "low intellect" to believe those who lie about things which are on video. Your sources are malicious, if you had any.
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@HistoryBuff
why would you continue to claim Trump said "bleach" unless you were in a cult? You literally agreed he never said that, and then proceeded to say he said thatno, no i did not. I forget who but someone here provided a fact check that confirmed he did in fact say that he thought that bleach could cure covid and that they would look into it. So while he may not have explicitly told people to do it. He still thought it was a good idea. Which is really dumb.
So you vaguely remember someone in this thread posting a link which you presumed was a fact check from an organization you trusted not to lie to you about what Trump said but cannot be bothered to watch a video of him supposedly saying.
With an epistemological standard so rigorous it's impossible for you to be in a cult, you would see through the lies immediately!
So what he really means is "bleach" (even though he didn't say it)he definitely did say that.
Mmm.. so you also say
Maga culists DO think donald trump is smart because even though they can hear him say stupid things, they just say "it's the media's fault" despite literally hearing the words come out of his mouth.
Did you literally hear the words come out of his mouth? I think you should try that. Just to make sure you aren't in a cult you know?
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According to a study published in the February 2024 issue of the peer-reviewed journal Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy, the pharmaceutical has now been linked to approximately 17,000 deaths.
rofl
Trump repeats something he saw in the news and they start to make shit up about it killing people. Stuff like this is how I learned about the deep state. They don't seem to care to expose themselves to the observant these days, or maybe they're just getting stupider.
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@Greyparrot
30 minutes of gold
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@HistoryBuff
...can't admit when they're wrong:exactly. There are dozens, hundreds of clips of trump doing and saying moronic shit. But his cultists still play the game of "no what he really meant was...."
So what he really means is "bleach" (even though he didn't say it)
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@HistoryBuff
What does it cost to make a hit album? A few thousand in instruments and labor maybe?the problem with your analogy is that no one needs an album to live.
No, the problem with your description is that it missed the fact that "profit" is a contextual term. The context is a specific production chain.
A worker's wage is profit when lunch and transport are subtracted. Is it 10,000% profit or is that the value of the musicians labor?
If it was worth less than people would not buy it. Very little is worth less than living another day. That is why someone who is saving your life every day can charge a hell of a lot of money and you'll still consent to pay it. Rather than whine about the price, beat it; after all if you think you can fix the price lower that means you should be able to produce the good or service for less. In that case there is no need to fix the price, simply undercut.
So be my guest. Start with California. Government farms. Government hospitals. Government schools (oh wait we have those, it's going well lol). Beat those filthy capitalists at their own game, it should be easy given you can waste 5000% and still come it at half their greedy price right?
you pay what it costs to live.
Indeed you do, and it a historical verified economic fact that it costs more to live when governments are semi-enslaving a lot of people.
I'm not ok with children starving so a grocery store chain can do another billion is stock buy backs.
Your ignorance is what starves children, just as it did in China, Russia, and everywhere else the fallacies you advanced have been implemented. I believe you should have the liberty to try any production system you want, if it's superior it will take over. Only an inferior system must use force to prevent competitors from co-existing.
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@HistoryBuff
Cultists...
...can't admit when they're wrong:
so did he tell people to inject bleach or did he make some wild speculation in the moment?he thought injecting bleach was a good idea.
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@HistoryBuff
But if the "free market" decides that a profit margin should be 10,000% of the cost to produce it, then the market is wrong. The government needs to step in to stop that from happening since that is obviously not functioning correctly.
What does it cost to make a hit album? A few thousand in instruments and labor maybe?
How about you start there, see what happens to the music industry.
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@HistoryBuff
Let's see, massive money printing which all rational people would agree must lead to massive currency devaluation or "they just got greedy".... mmmmmmm
BTW it's the "greed" that makes them want to undercut each other. Any lack of rapid market response is due to government pressure already in place making it damn near illegal to produce anything without waiting 10 years and bribing 20 people.
The prices went up because all the prices went up because the money supply went up; but the money supply went up because people who weren't producing (as much) got free money (and when I say 'people' think 80% government grifters).
To the people in the unfavored part of the market (those who aren't cheating through government) it just looks like all their employees are about to quit because they can't pay their bills anymore and all the input products just went up 20-50%. So they raise their prices. They all raise their prices because this is happening everywhere, not because of a 30 million man conspiracy, but then again as I keep telling Double R you don't actually need to conspire to act in concert. You just need to know the rules of the game so I'll grant that you don't need to conspire to fix prices to choose to fix prices.
It simply is not something that happens without conspiracy in a free market because in a free market a company can make more profit through volume if they can take more of the market-share. Companies don't share the market if they can help it, not unless there is no other choice and when buried under the mountains of regulation, currency manipulation, credit uncertainty, punishment of saving, etc... etc... there is no other choice (all due to government action).
but you said something which would disprove all of that if true:
They are running record profits and pretending like the reason for their prices going up is that their costs are going up.
That is simply false.
Some companies may be seeing higher real profits (nominal numbers are meaningless during rapid inflation), those are probably the ones who are involved in government corruption.
Socialists are ultimately classists, and their simplistic minds have only "rich" and "poor" with no differentiation, but there is a huge practical and moral difference between a man who is rich by conspiring with thieves and a man who is rich by baking the best bread in town.
There is no end to the propaganda made from statistics in the USA (and other semi-socialist countries) which include government-corporate collusion (i.e. economic fascism) along with honest productive companies. This also applies to the top hierarchy of those companies be they stockholders or CEOs.
Or in other words "some of them, I'm sure are good people" (BUT NOT ALL).
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She should have brought up all those black people she put in jail. That really gets the secret KKK democrats excited.
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@Greyparrot
@HistoryBuff
@HistoryBuff If you refuse to drink the water in the case of the bleach hoax, why would it be any different for the present or future? Ultimately you're just proving that like Underdog you will never reject disinformation which pleases you so it is really a waste of time to debate you on whether anything is disinformation.
It's like discussing color with a colorblind person.
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@Greyparrot
How smart are people that use debunked propaganda as statements of fact?
Hard to tell. It's not like some long complicated piece of logic led them to accept propaganda. They just don't care to check because they're following their heart.
That's why stupid people and smart people can both behave stupidly.
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Whenever you're stealing from people, it's best to call them poor and stupid - How to get guillotined for idiots 3rd edition
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@HistoryBuff
The answer to your question is the same as the answer to why you believe this:
There are classic examples like him telling people to inject bleach
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@Greyparrot
Replace the police with philosophical security system: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/agWX23xZrh0?feature=share
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