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So when you role-play all original characters, that's just you writing a story right?
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@zedvictor4
Way to play it cool.And my Mom always told me to wash after playing with the sheep.
Don't you also have dragons?
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I don't know how you do with school plans, but you with military or political power is terrifying.
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@Greyparrot
Well they sold me.
Can you explain what could possibly make Trump agree to have Musk say he was in the Epstein files and thereby create a ceaseless broken record from now until the midterms?
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I hope Best stays up there forever, I couldn't imagine more degrading graffiti to paint onto the idea of treating debate like a sport.
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@Barney
I did not notice, that makes it better.
A comment stolen from youtube:
The ball kicking machine works, it's just never been tried correctly.
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@Sidewalker
He's a citizen...
This is truly clown world.
I thought we had reached peak clown world; but no...
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22 year old gardener is less likely to be deep state than any middle aged DC lurker.
I've long said random lottery would get us better governments.
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@LucyStarfire
There are no Epstein files Korea. At least none of any significance.
You don't really think three administrations sat on evidence of a criminal conspiracy to rape children do you?
Whoever was involved erased it a long time ago, or else the investigations were always a bust and the various admins have been afraid to admit that the federal "intelligence community" are useless.
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Libertarianism is the most morally bankrupt ideology in existence, it needs to be utterly crushed into the ground. Vote out Rand Paul, seize all of Elon's assets and put him in Jail, scorched earth on all these people.
rofl, we are so fucked because Franklin speaks for too many.
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@Mharman
Sure, but this would require hijacking MAGA in the republican party no matter what way you introduce the leader.
Do you think Vivek Ramaswamy is an option? He made the right noises.
The core issue is this: The people are generally not paying attention. Even the greater engagement of late is just die hard radicals growing in number. If people are happy in 2028 they're going to give credit to Trump and they are very likely to go with whoever he endorses.
If they aren't happy they are far more likely to just vote democrat than to primary out Trump's pick.
It is practically impossible to penetrate the rigging in the democratic party, but this would be the ideal time for an attempted libertarian takeover of the democratic party. That way the pendulum swing is with you AND there is no big names to beat out.
The other big problem with that, besides the fact that the deep state still controls the party, is that the base of the party thinks government spending solves problems. When libertarians do appeal to them it's on social issues, but there are no more sane social issues left in the left-tribe.
.... No, the only way forward is to hijack MAGA.
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@Mharman
The libertarian right needs to become more vocal.
Damn straight.
My read of this is 75%: Musk is the real dude and Trump sold out America to the bad guys in return for his victory comeback.
I always was suspicious of how the election issues just evaporated.
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Rand Paul said the big bill is bullshit. I agree.
Musk agreed.
Trump took it personal, threaten to cut spaceX
Musk said Trump is in the Epstein files.
The hilarious dysfunction is reminiscent about what recently happened at debateart.
That should make you all feel worse.
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@LucyStarfire
Thank you Korea for demonstrating how the ball kicking machine works.
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All this time it was just that one innocuous contraption.
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@LucyStarfire
Many people feel that way, few admit it.
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@ultramaximus2
Problem with justice these days is people tend to disagree about what is justice and what isnt.
An a very old problem that one.
They also disagree about what liberty and equality means.
These are all related concepts but very few people derive them logically from first principles, hence the widespread disagreement.
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@ultramaximus2
You know, overcoming the discriminatory history against the LGBTQ
There is certainly some memorial going on, but it was a minor part and not the part people had issues with.
It was the constant push for expansion on the false premise that people were still being oppressed (which they are, just not the ones the cult are pointing to).
The 4th of July is a memorial about fighting for liberty, and some do connect it to an ongoing struggle; but if people kept pretending like Britain was still the source of the worlds problems I think that would be analogous to the out of control cult version of 'pride'.
Especially focusing on enemies rather than ideals.
Equality should be the goal
Liberty and justice should be the goal if you ask me.
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@ultramaximus2
Bestiality and pedophilia did cross my mind but these aren't generally regarded as sexual orientations AFAIK.
Yea, but that's because people are silently adding a moral modifier to the definition. i.e. Sexual orientation is sexual attraction but good (and definitely not bad)
These other things aren't about which gender you find attractive.
The world is more complicated than gender. "asexual" does not mean "not attracted to any gender" for example.
Coherent conceptual systems don't have arbitrary under-constraints, over-constraints, and exceptions.
"gender sexual orientation" would be the correct word for the measurement only of that particular variation, but even there you would probably find a bunch of people complaining because they insist gender and sex are different.
I deny that because I think they are redefining gender for subversive reasons, but certainly people ARE attracted to gendered behavior at different rates so it is perfectly reasonable to speak of subcategories of sexual orientation along those lines. For example:
"I like tomboys" does not mean "I like boys" or "I like girls who pretend to be boys" or "I like girls who identify as boys". It means you like girls who have personality traits and interests which are masculine (culturally associated with men).
There are men who like women who lean into feminine behavior and mannerisms. The same sort variety exists among fully heterosexual women.
Those who would redefine "gender roles" or "gendered behavior" as "gender" would say those are sexual orientations towards gender as opposed to sex.
They are related to sexuality
They are more than related, they are sexual orientations. They arise at the same time as all other sexual orientations (puberty), they can be suppressed but never erased, they exist in the subconscious and can be autonomically corroborated.
Like, the gay pedophiles would be celebrated for being gay, not for being pedophiles while the heterosexual pedophiles are left out of the celebration.
That's like saying bisexuals would be celebrated for being partly gay, but the other part is heterosexual and therefore not celebrated.
No, it's not so coherent. It's just a tribal feeling of belonging and revenge they're expressing. Often used as a bus for transgressives.
The issue and point of shame and stigma has to do with the pedophilia far more than the sexual orientation of it. Bestiality would have the same issue.
No that's the same, that's why they picked "pride" pride is the opposite of shame, they (pure homosexuals) were pained by shame and tried to cancel it with pride.
Unearned shame vs unearned pride.
Of course at some point, a point probably around the turn of the millennium, the net cultural opinion was firmly in "approval" and "sympathy" such that there really was no unearned shame or social stigmatization. Only celebration.
But the movement had created a culture and a culture propagates itself. That culture offered an identify around victim hood and such a thing does not die just because there are no more victims.
What they're role playing at pride parades is "I am not ashamed, suck it world!" but the world was saying "aren't you brave!" for decades.
It is the irony of the situation that those who are actually living out the oppression pride paraders role play are not allowed to parade. In all circumstances, if you can parade and be cheered, you are no longer a victim of unearned public condemnation.
Issue with these groups is that while the sexual attraction itself is a benign it is when it's acted upon that it can be damaging
That claim is besides the point.
Also you haven't answered the question. Why exclude heterosexuals from the celebration? Or asexuals?
You didn't actually ask that question, you made a statement that heterosexuals were the only exclusion.
Now that you ask, it is answered by my explanation above. It excludes heterosexuals because it is fundamentally a victimhood fantasy, not a celebration of sexuality. Heterosexuals (homospecial teleiophilic) aren't allowed because there is no victimhood history.
A general celebration of sexuality is a very common cultural phenomenon outside of the monotheistic dominated cultures. That is not what pride month was.
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@ultramaximus2
There are others that are not celebrated.Same question then with respect to them. Who would those be though? Asexuals? I can't imagine much.
You asked 'why' and 'who', the question is 'what'.
Depends on how you differentiate a 'kink' or a 'fetish' from an 'orientation', but if
Sexual orientation = an enduring personal pattern of romantic attraction or sexual attraction
Then every class of object or person which anyone finds attractive is a category which defines a sexual orientation.
Then every class of object or person which anyone finds attractive is a category which defines a sexual orientation.
It's like celebrating "personality type A", vs B or C. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory
Those are generalizations, and there are potentially infinite ways to categorize personality.
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Asexuals would be an exception, the lack of orientation.
Categories which have a similar natural frequency as homosexuality or bisexuality (2-10%) would include:
Zoosexuality
Pedophilia
If one were to break down "heterosexual orientation" there are likely a dozen groupings at around 5% of the population with respect to different focuses. i.e. 'your type' (of ideal heterosexual partner).
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@ultramaximus2
There are others that are not celebrated.In this case the only sexual orientation that isnt celebrated is heterosexual.No, it isn't.Why?
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@ultramaximus2
No, it isn't.In this case the only sexual orientation that isnt celebrated is heterosexual.
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@Greyparrot
Nah, too boring.Or maybe just... June.
JURASSIC JUNE
We can spend the whole month celebrating creatures we'll never see but none the less are pretty cool when you think about them.
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@LucyStarfire
Korea... to state the obvious; if you're looking for friends, and you pretend to be a furry to find furry friends, that doesn't mean they're really your friends.
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@Double_R
Well "not focused" now.This is exactly what I voted for my government to be focused on.
focused on no longer being focused.
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@Greyparrot
Or maybe just... June.
Radical...
it’ll be a time to reflect on real accomplishments.
Can I even remember any?
Moon-landing, penicillin, defeating socialist empires, wealth of nations, calculus, measuring the circumference of the Earth...
Phew, still there.
And look, I hate to be the one to say it, but putting a wiener in a butt doesn't qualify as a national achievement.
Achieving liberty is an achievement, even if it's liberty to do something that is not itself an achievement.
An honorable mention for repealing a victimless crime doesn't bother me as long as it's not too big next to you know emancipation and stuff.
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@Swagnarok
My guess is that the latter group outnumbers the former, but either could lead to the same end: a new model of education wherein students must accept as an article of dogma that Mustachestan is evil without ever having been taught why it's evil. What I'm raising is a hypothetical where, 30 or 40 years from now, your average young person will have never heard of a certain major genocide, because their textbooks skipped that part in favor of vague generalities about the nature of evil and conflations of this idea with Mustachestan.And when, in the spirit of youthful rebellion, many of these decide to buck said dogma and embrace the idea that "Actually, Mustachestan was good" (I.e. your average edgelord Satanist who grew up in a strict Pentecostal household), they won't understand that this is an immoral position to hold. Sure, they'll know that their teachers and society say it's immoral, but they'll have no reason to uncritically accept this, since the entire time it will have been asserted without any proof given.
I think that is a plausible prediction, I don't think it's 30 years away either, I think the start of the process has already begun.
I have been surprised how many people from different political camps seem to be unaware of the spirit of youthful rebellion you speak of despite the fact that it has been a constant in human history and the birth of many cultural revolutions against dogma.
What you observe isn't isolated, it's a general turning away from rationality. It was never really taught as well as it should have been, but it had a fierce stronghold in universities (1850 -> 1950 especially) that is now wholly absent.
A rabbi Wolpe who did an interview on the Dave Rubin show once described something called "cut flower ethics".
"They stay fresh for a while, but without the soil that nurtured them, how long does that stay... the question is transmissibility"
I believe this phenomenon is real, but the soil is not a bronze age belief in a god whose great moral insight consisted of such things as "don't murder, don't steal, don't lie, worship me".
The soil is reason, and it always was. Those who raise children on faith will never control what they have faith in, or what they will corrupt. They will be controlled by internal psychological processes they do not understand or they will be controlled by deceptive leaders they have no tools to contradict.
The soil is reason, and it always was. Those who raise children on faith will never control what they have faith in, or what they will corrupt. They will be controlled by internal psychological processes they do not understand or they will be controlled by deceptive leaders they have no tools to contradict.
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Another interesting quote from this interview was "The claim that there is such a thing as a truth is somewhat counter cultural" - Rabbi Wolpe 6:50
That I have found to be absolutely true. If I had a dime for every time I said "X is objectively true" and a bunch of petty zombies rush in to say "truth is subjective" or "there is no objective truth" or some such drivel.
I cannot emphasize how different that response is from "No, you're wrong, show us your logic and your evidence."
They're not saying I did it wrong, they're saying nobody can do it.
Their epistemology has fallen and they can't really believe anything because of evidence. If they believe mustachean is evil just because (as a misguided person in this thread said) 'evil is just evil' that is because that is the ONLY thing they can think with that gaping epistemology shaped hole in their brain.
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In conclusion, yes the evidence of the Mustachestan behavior should be taught. It is history and all history should be taught.
It is not teaching to make students say "that is evil", if they do not conclude that with their own logic and conviction then they have not learned what they needed to: Philosophy.
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It doesn't matter. They don't care about community ideas on rules and it follows that they also don't care about community ideas on mods.
There are plenty of mods, they just aren't here because the site is dead (apart from mafia).
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@WyIted
That's a pretty good quote.> “If speech wasn’t power, they wouldn’t be afraid of it.”— Anonymous Arena Contributor
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@LucyStarfire
That's why the only people with real friends are people without masks.We can only like each other's masks.
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@LucyStarfire
It's definitely a feature and not a bug. Don't oversimplify though. I don't like all dogs, but I do like that trait about all dogs.
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@Savant
Why, according to the CoC, is making a parody a bannable offense? What makes use of the word "Hitler" a violation regardless of context in some threads?
Inflammation.
I don't think either of those things could really be argued to be inflammatory.
Don't need to argue, just say it was in the back of your mind and then stare stoically into the sunset.
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@LucyStarfire
You know what the #1 best thing about dogs is?I can pretend to be a dog who loves you.
They don't pretend.
@Wylted I probably won't have time to seriously look at your suggested toolchain until the weekend. I won't decide anything until then.
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@LucyStarfire
Look whose back, and with a new totally unnecessary name... again....
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@thett3
You know you're going to need a theme song right?
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@Sidewalker
Your profile pic is inflaming me with a desire to eat a taco. My garden has a lot of cilantro that needs an excuse to be eaten.
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@Barney
I don’t care about the wellbeing of this site even a quarter as much as he does.
The road to hell...
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@Swagnarok
Excuse me for being rather tech illiterate
Of course I do, they didn't teach it in schools. I wish I could say it won't be a problem with future generations but from what I can tell they're still not teaching it.
The 5-15 year olds I've talked to recently are 'tech savvy' in a completely shallow and 'false sense of security way'.
As in I think it's getting worse. They think trivia about apps and gossip about tech firms is what tech savvy means.
I mean we all see which way this civilization is headed. Knowing C++ ought to have been the new 'handwriting' in elementary school in like 2005.
the most savvy thing I've ever done was download a romhack to play an old Japan-exclusive SNES game, and all I really had to do was follow the steps
That's exactly what I mean, to 'kids these days' that is peak savviness. You obviously understand there is more to it than following a tutorial (although that is an important life skill in all areas). They don't.
but either the cost would be high enough to deter users from signing up or low enough that a stubborn troublemaker who was willing to fork over some lunch money could get back on when he needed to shed his skin every other week or so.
I didn't say "pay" (although paying to use a service is a good idea), I said "stake".
With cryptocurrency (and it would have to be crypto to comply with anonymity and decentralization requirements) you can have a wallet that just sits there and holds money.
They don't lose the money, but they can't use it for other things.
The idea is that the wallet ID becomes the new IP address. Ultimately it is anonymous, but the system could consider wallets which have amounts below the threshold or which have added money too recently to be invalid.
So I said $500, and yea that's high enough that it would greatly discourage a lot of people; but it's not like I am saying I would pay $500 to the "site owners" (there wouldn't be any owners). It is still my money, but if I spend it or transfer it to another account I create a 'cooldown' based on whatever trust algorithm is used.
I would make the trust algorithm a hybrid of many factors including a continuous function of staked crypto. More money means more trust. Older money means more trust. Users could also vouch for other users in different contexts and that would be weighted by the trust of the voucher.
So for instance the most basic level of vouching would be like "this is not a chat bot".
Once you have all that, it may be as simple as setting peer to peer privileges based on the trust in a certain context. For example, you might set your client to view text for trust level 0.35 but in order to automatically download unvetted images it would have to be 0.75.
As for rich psychos, yea the money part wouldn't fix that, hence the need for a hybrid solution. There is not much you can do about people willing to invest time before pouncing though.
With enough money you can pay certain companies to route your TOR traffic through a premium proxy network making it nearly impossible to differentiate them from normal internet traffic, i.e. a site might think they have an IP for a normal house but they don't. (this applies to sites normal sites that aren't trying to be anonymous or decentralized).
The fact that we'd be using Tor or VPNs would rule out IP bans
Yes
I guess one solution would be that you download some kind of program, like a cookie or something, that gives your computer a unique identifier so that multiple "accounts" is impossible.
Not a solution, that's just reinventing the IP while adding the glaring option of forging an identifier.
Plus if rich people are a problem, (and by some magic they couldn't forge an ID), they could just buy multiple devices. There are $150 tablet things.
The moment you solve every problem and make it so a PC can always be reidentified you've removed anonymity which brings in retaliation which means you no longer have free speech.
Some people may be fine with that, assuming that they'll never say anything that anybody would get mad enough about to do something in real life but it renders the whole effort extraneous in my opinion.
The last ten years have shown us we have a free speech problem and we will always have a free speech problem unless a system that is beyond all practical attack guarantees it. I am certain something like this is the future of human democracy in the coming millennia, and getting it sooner may be the factor that prevents a digital police state from establishing permanent and stable control.
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@Swagnarok
I guess I was assuming you were thinking a few steps ahead, I have thought about this a lot so to me it was the elephant in the room:
Bans, ignores, and all other forms content filtering are nullified by the ability to create new content origins ('accounts') at zero cost. It's a problem in the family of DDoS attacks.
It becomes a fundamental problem when anonymous accounts are a required feature. If you can't tell one person from another, how can you enforce a content filter on them?
It would only take one CP for you (and everybody else) to ignore Best.Korea, but if he can just make another account, say TheSunGod or whatever, and do the same thing 10 minutes later; then you have a crippling problem.
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@Greyparrot
commercial voice actor mode:
Tired of being gay? Fatigued?
That's because you haven't been watching enough propaganda!
You don't need to go out of your way, all you need is a circular definition and your LGBTQIA+2S tax is paid! You can stop propositioning the mailman to prove you aren't a bigot.
Special offer: Now that we have the racial pride flag, you can be gay by being a 'person of color'. No need to suck the female penis anymore!
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Speaking of furries: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_ivMJEGZX3g?feature=share
"Oh yea sure, it's for balance. Yea."
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@Barney
I can't understand how you could see him as mentally well enough to do that.I wanted you as a mod
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[Sir.Lancelot] You're painting me as a snake.But I had your back.
That is what snakes say though.
Real friendship is based on honesty and love of virtue regardless of the flaws.
Real friends don't pretend to be yes men. They don't pretend to be anything. That's why disagreement with real friends isn't back stabbing and they don't make a spectacle of it. You can see the difference a thousand miles away and you don't need to pretend to each other or to anyone else that you agree when you don't.
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@Swagnarok
Avoiding viruses is "easy", just write good software.I'm open to anything that doesn't include porn or viruses.
Avoiding porn is not.
I don't want to derail this thread, this is Wylted's show, but I always thought the solution was up the alley of staking money.
In my opinion the most of the main category of "problem" posts including (unsolicited) pornography is spam. People (or bots) spam for various reasons but the fundamental issue is that it costs them nothing (or very little) to create a new avatar and do it while it costs a lot more effort for every possible victim to manually block them.
Creating 'antibodies' in the form of trusted content screeners which spread information about bad posts and bad posters is one strategy, but another is simply to raise the cost of creating a new origin (avatar, nickname, 'account').
You can see how someone like me wouldn't have a problem with that. I have stuck with the same name for ten years. Whatever good or ill I've done, I'm willing to let it follow me around.
I think that's the pattern of good actors, even anonymous ones. If I staked $500 of crypto on my username, that would not have been an issue.
A spam bot can't do that. A spam bot probably couldn't accomplish anything if it had to stake $5 on each 'account'.
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[AdaptableRatman] I agree that he was right to punish some, including me but he was severely biased.
My impression was that he looked at like an overwhelmed parent.
Whatever made people stop squawking the fastest, he said and did. Every communication, every report, every squabble was a new 'universe of pain' and the only thing that mattered was making that problem go away as soon as possible.
No matter who complains first or how often, the side that won't let it go is eternally in the wrong.
You raise kids that way they'll turn into bullies or cunning victims (people with no trust in authority and a willingness to lie to protect themselves). I think a common form of 'sociopath like' people are manufactured by such parents. (Both the bullies and victims learn manipulation is more reliable than honesty, justice becomes something impractical on a subconscious level).
People on forums should not be treated like children in any case, and nobody with power should conduct themselves like that regardless.
It's not an easy problem to solve. Many wrong answers and no simple solutions.
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@WyIted
I'll admit, I imagine you wearing aviators and a leather jacket when I'm reading thisDo your other websites encourage free speech or is it free speech limited to your preferred subject and heavily moderated when it goes into other territory?
https://justplainpolitics.com/ for example seems to be a free for all with lots of sidewinder like repetitive derangement on all sides.
Dysfunctional, but not repressive (which is a population killing dysfunction).
Most others have vague rules arbitrarily enforced.
The zoo sites have free speech zones which work pretty much the same way as justplainpolitics but there are several third rails, pedo being the highest voltage, doxing not far behind.
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