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@Best.Korea
The only difference is that my data is official, where yours is just you ranting.
Just because you call U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis "just my ranting" doesn't mean that's what it is.
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@Best.Korea
Prove I made the first assumptionIf you didnt, then you have no argument.
Sure I do: You are relying on assumptions you haven't verified and in my opinion didn't even know you were relying on.
Again, you reject official data
I reserve the right to reject 'official' data. My arguments don't depend on it, yours does. Therefore me rejecting official data isn't contradictory while you doing it is.
you accept your fabricated data
Now it's fabricated huh? Another assumption?
Its sad that you are so deep into conspiracies, but what did I expect from MAGA.
Enjoying the role play? See I remember you having a bit of fun sympathizing with the oppressive communist insurrectionists in north Korea. I remember you claiming to not care if you contradict yourself. Whatever you're pretending to be right now, it gives me nothing but a good laugh to imagine you clutching pearls at what kind of things I will believe.... ESPECIALLY in the context of me citing the price of a bag of cement, U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, and the Washington post.
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@Best.Korea
Prove I made the first assumption.I dont need to prove your assumptions.
You reject all data
and yet out of the past four times someone has rejected data in this thread, every single time it has been you.
"Oh it's Jan 2022 so it doesn't count", "2022 isn't 2023" (as if you were talking about the latest data), "Who cares about pizza? Buy bananas.", "Who cares about cement, buy smartphones", "chicken prices averaged by BLS?", rejected because chicken prices my vary locally.
That's the game isn't it. When someone rejects your interpretation they're "rejecting all data". When someone puts forth their own interpretation, you can reject it without rejecting "the data". How convenient. You've certainly learned how to play from some others on this website. It's a rather stupid game, but you know how to play.
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@Best.Korea
Prove it.That the standard didn't changeAnd you assume that it did.
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@Double_R
We don't need to agree, if you have a legitimate point to make you could destroy my arguments with your logic for the rest of those reading.
You asked a question. You didn't make an argument. There is no evidence of these "rest of those reading", I put in considerable effort into debating you on the Ukraine scandal and election fraud and nobody gave a shit either way. If you were honest I would debate you to get closer to the truth regardless of an audience, but since you aren't it's an exercise in futility to go chasing examples you will ignore as you have so many times before.
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@Best.Korea
That the standard didn't change.You assumeI assume what?
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@Double_R
Which is not to say retribution needs to be any more extra-legal than what the left-tribe has already endorsed. Indeed if judged by their own standards we could probably imprison around 50,000 of them for three years without trial.Can you provide one example of an individual "the left" unjustly imprisoned without a legitimate trial?
We will not agree on what is legitimate and you cannot be convinced because you are dishonest. If someone with some benefit of the doubt asks I will answer.
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@Greyparrot
Ah right, its "them".Well, you are all in on taxing the rich. So it is us vs them from all sides.You just support the side that supports insider trading on the backs of the poor.
That is the left-tribe in a nutshell. They vote for what they claim to oppose the most, and all of the suffering they cite arises out of local policy that has been under left-tribe control for decades. Tragic irony.
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@Best.Korea
You assumeUnemployment during Biden has same standards as unemployment during Trump.
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@Best.Korea
You think that after taxing the rich more, the rich got richer?
Income concentration does not imply income is focused on the previously wealthy, but it is a fact that the previously wealthy are getting more wealthy faster.
It's a subset of rich people that are causing that, namely deep state beneficiaries. The big stockholders in real businesses (that produce goods and services instead of stealing) aren't doing so hot.
What was Trump's unemployment again?
"Unemployment" is pseudoscience. They decide how many people ought to participate in the workforce. That's the number you're talking about: [made up number ] - #people working = [another made up number]
So in Trump's economy, 15% of adults dont make any money.
What did I say in the beginning? You oversimplify. You don't know what you're talking about. "unemployment of 15%" DOES NOT MEAN "85% of adults are working" NOR is working the only way people have an income.
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@Best.Korea
They were actually increased by over 20% since then.
Thought we covered this. A reminder: Bullshit
You do realize that with 6% wage growth and 3% inflation, in this year people will have 24% rise in real wages?
I realize that's bullshit. The inflation is higher and the wage growth less (on average).
You are looking for perfection and you cant see that you are already richer than you were in 2019.
Everything is more expensive, I make the same amount of money, the housing market is on the verge of collapse (because nobody can actually afford to buy a house at these so called prices); I can't fix the houses I have, the people living in them are facing homelessness if I increase rent, but I'm richer. Got it.
I don't know why I thought things weren't going well. Bidenomics is a fantastic success. Steel prices remain 2x as US steel is bought by a foreign company.
Nucor stands ALONE (attacked by EPA), but that's just my silly right-tribe biases at work complaining about that. If I would just focus on bananas and mass producer Chinese consumer electronics I would see that everything is fine. Cement and steel are for the weak, normies don't care about those things. CNN doesn't talk about them after all.
I know, AVOCADOS (from Mexico); they're pretty tasty. I should focus on avocado toast. Life is good, government speaks only truth.
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@Best.Korea
I thought you trusted official figures?Here is a fun fact. Prices at different places are different. So there is no "official figures" that represent the chicken from all USA.
Huh! Wow! You learn something new every day. I guess 'we' are just supposed to trust you over any official statistics.
December 2019 to December 2023:
326.764/260 = 125%
Why does this keep happening:
Somebody: X is true, blogs told me so. Government data is the best indicator. TRUST THE SCIENCE!
Me: You can't trust them, look at all the times they have deceived.
Somebody: That's just you being a conspiracy theorist. How come nobody credible agrees with you (credibility is defined by agreeing with the government when you ask).
Me: The government sources (often the exact same databases) are contradicting your claims.
Somebody: What do you believe everything you read? There are no official statistics. Trust the big bold letters on 'news' articles, not the data
It's like the universe is conspiring to trigger me. It knows how much I hate hypocrisy.
Have you considered buying protein in powder?
You know they make that out of milk right? You're basically paying a premium for the service of removing sugars & fats and powdering it. Silly if you're trying to feed yourself efficiently.
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@Best.Korea
I thought you trusted official figures?I figured you werent a meat eater, but price of chicken meat is lower now than what it was in 2019.
So you like pizza and cement. Its like your brain naturally picks more expensive things to buy and then complains how expensive they are.
"Like"
Yea, portland cement is just a lifestyle choice. I am overlooking the easy cheap option of cutting out megaliths with my mind and sonically levitating them into position.
You realize how hard it is to get county governments to approve of anything even slightly deviating from the inane way houses are built in north America? (Oh look, government fucking things up again. No pattern to see here)
chicken meat?
The chicken is more expensive. The fish is even more-more expensive. Eggs were very expensive for a long time, they've recently dropped. Unfortunately if you try to get all your protein from eggs you die of a heart-attack because of all the cholesterol.
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@Greyparrot
@Best.Korea
Those prices are never coming back.
A left-tribe source agrees:
$1.50/$0.99 = 50% increase.
[Best.Korea] Are you saying that smartphones are more expensive now per use value?
No. I don't know and I don't care. They're all made in CCP anyway.
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@n8nrgim
but i need evidence from credible sources.
The bad guys are the ones with the evidence, that's why they burn it. A considerable amount of the data used to find fraud was from county-level voter registration API. APIs that the governments in question shut down immediately after learning it was being used to detect fraud.
How someone reacts to an investigation is itself evidence, especially when the opposite of a "right to privacy" exists. A duty for transparency is what the government has and nothing an American government does is more important than running an election. Trivia: Did you know Alex Jones 'lost' his case simply because he could/would not produce documents? How much more important is the operation of elections than how exactly Alex Jones spends his money?
A so called democracy where auditable data was not created when it should have been and hidden when it was being reviewed is akin to a doctor who hides X-rays from you when you ask to see them.
There may be many explanations, but none of them are tolerable.
I watched the election fraud trial for Kari Lake live. A high ranking official running the election lied on the stand (contradicted himself blatantly between one day and the next). The judge didn't care. The propagandist don't care.
Do you find court recordings credible? Do you find lies by election officials to be strong evidence? If the answers are yes I will try to find that recording.
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@Best.Korea
If you are claiming the price of food has dropped relative to 2019 then either you're lying or you don't buy your own food.
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@Best.Korea
[sadolite] "Rent in 2023: 1180$" Where? Where is there a place for rent for 1180$ that is in a low rent crack head slum.
Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.[Best.Korea] Its a price of a one bedroom apartment. You can see that same prices are here:
From your source:
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) defines Fair Market Rent (FMR). The FMR is not the price the average renter pays, however.
The government saying what rent should be in their opinion. Mmmm
According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-yearThats average for all apartments, including luxury ones. My link was talking about simple one bedroom apartments.
It was your link.
20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)I didnt realize you were buying cement.
You don't realize a lot. I wonder where places to live and rent come from?
There are millions of products on the market
and I don't trust biased researchers to same such a huge space fairly.
Did you know that smartphone prices have significantly dropped per use value.
Are you telling me they had wiggle room when they charged over a thousand dollars for a little computer they mass produced? That's incredible. Mind blowing. I guess everything will be ok after all. As long as we have smartphones we can watch the propaganda from where ever we are and we won't need things like energy, food, or concrete foundations.
And Biden has covered healthcare, so people pay less for it.
Jeez I fell for it again, here I am taking you seriously for a full minute. Thanks for snapping me out of it. That's right, healthcare is so cheap. Never been cheaper. War is peace. 2+2=5. The party will get you that bread don't you worry comrade!
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but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?For what reason?Because unemployed people dont get the money and the rich get more instead?
You realize wages are not uniform right? Consider two snapshots:
A:
9,999 people earn $1/period
1 person earns $10,001/period
Total wages = $20,000
Total number of employed people = 10,000
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10,000 people earn $2/period
Total wages = $20,000
Total number of people employed = 10,000
Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.Wow, you walked right into that one."10496" is from january of 2022.
It's from 2022 according to BLS. Whether it is from Jan or end of year I don't care, I'll wait for you to pick a story.
Its from two years ago.So if it increased by just 2% since then, it follows:21% >20% rise in prices.
20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)
$18.67, was $13 in early 2020 = 43% increase
"In 2020, BLS derived totals of 10.5 million establishments, 139.1 million employed, and $8.9 trillion in wages""In 2019, BLS derived totals of 10.2 million establishments, 148.1 million employed, and $8.8 trillion in wages"So not before the job loss, but thanks for playing.
If it wasn't before the job loss than the total was not as of Jan 1st 2022. Chase your tail around some more, a dichotomy is a dichotomy; unless you're saying there is an error on the website.
Rent in 2023: 1180$Rent in 2019: 1062%Increase in price: about 11%.So apparently, some prices only increased by 11% since 2019, where wages increased by over 20%.Therefore, we see that your claims of 50% price increase may have been the drunk talk taken outside of average price.
How come your source says:
According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-year (YoY) from the first quarter of 2021 to the first quarter of 2022.
Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.
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@Best.Korea
You posted no such data.When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.My data is from late 2023. I already posted it. Did you forgot?
Your data is from january of 2022.
Then it follows that the 2020 number was from Jan 1 of 2020, before covid or the job losses. Pick a story.
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@Best.Korea
10496/8905 = 118%In 2019, it was 8769.2020 doesnt count, due to high unemployment rate.
So total wages were $8905e9 in 2020 while they were $8769e9 in 2019.
People (purportedly) made more money in 2020 than 2019 (in USD, not real value); but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?
For what reason?
Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?
10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.
Therefore "everybody has more = false.
Also there is the problem of distribution. Maybe IWRA is a deep state beneficiary, counting the number of pronouns gets a wage doubling; but that doesn't mean everybody or even most people's wages kept up with inflation.
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@Best.Korea
When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.
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@Best.Korea
You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.Yeah, trusting official data is just as bad as trusting random people on internet.
When the officials are fascists, it's worse.
we cannot blindly trust you.
You don't have to. All you have to do is give a shit, use your brain, and see that 20% inflation is off by a factor of 1.5 to 2.
Sounds like a win for me.
Everything sounds like a win to you.
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@Best.Korea
I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own.Sorry, I thought you came here to debate about wages of entire USA, but you just came to compare your friend's wages to friends of other people here.
Fine I'll show you that you can't handle it:
10496/8905 = 118%
18% < 20-50%
Therefore "everybody has more = false.
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@Best.Korea
You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results.Great. So I can reject your complains.
Just like I can call BS on your borrowed claims. Which I did.
Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off.Data really isnt about what masses (who cant do math) think.
You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.
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@Best.Korea
Plenty of sites collected the data about average wages and prices in 2019 and 2023.
"Sites" you mean like "websites"? Where do you think data comes from?
10 out of 200 million.
You think 200 million people are earning wages do you? Kinda proves my point. No point trying to convince a messenger who isn't interested in being anything more.
I guess you can see right now why I am not going with your data?
I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own. Possibly because you don't provide for yourself or anyone around you and thus haven't been paying attention to prices.
You mean other than plenty of research sites being on my side, none being on your?
Rofl, "research sites". I haven't looked recently. I'm not going to look since there isn't much point in having numbers more accurate than my own. The real issue is that you haven't looked, won't look, and wouldn't care if I link dumped. I'm not the one vomiting statistics without a clue how they were created.
And if we dont trust any data, then I dont trust your data either
Fine, go get some of your own. All you have to do is find old coupon mailers from before the pandemic.
reducing your claims to nothing and then you have nothing to complain about under Biden.
I think you're confusing who is who. I am me, I collected my data, therefore I trust my data. You are you. You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results. Just because you don't believe me doesn't mean I don't have anything to complain about.
Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off. So if I'm crazy and live in some bizarre microverse; how come 68% of people polled are similarly unimpressed with those "official numbers" vs their own receipts and W2s?
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@Best.Korea
If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data.I see. I should trust you over people who have actually collected the data.
You trust they collected the data. You trust that the data they collected has no sample bias. You trust that they made sound calculations from that data. You trust that they aren't committing equivocation fallacies (changing the meaning of words).
You do a lot of trusting, and I am merely pointing out that all it takes is a lack of that same trust to call BS.
I am talking about what I believe based on my data vs trusting them. Since there is absolutely no chance (based on all your posting history) that you're going to dive into detailed economic calculations with me there is no point in asking you to justify your borrowed claims. You're acting here only as a messenger and you have previously openly admitted that you don't care if what you say one day contradicts what you'll say tomorrow.
In other words there is nothing more to say other than "BS".
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@Best.Korea
Bullshit.then what about those 9.6 million people who lose their jobs?Most of them got the jobs back under Biden. Biden has lowest unemployment rate.
No wage increases for me none for anyone I knowI guess we are just supposed to trust you over any official statistics.
If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data. It is after all promises about inaccessible data and analysis that underpins the man made climate catastrophe claim and many of the claims during covid. Trust the science! (I am the SCIENCE, I stole the rod of sciencification from Fauci)
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Well I've made my decision. I need to re-register as a republican so I can vote for Vivek in the primary. I've waited to see how he would evolve in response to talking to people and he is the best-chance deep-state-killer that I know about.
A) Trump talks a lot, but when he had power he did not impress. Even if Jan 6 was a hopeful plan of the deep state, it's something Trump handed them. He should have used the military long before that day instead of hoping a bunch of angry people would have changed the block-head Pence's behavior.
B) Vivek is thinking strategically about the deep state. He is throwing out theories about what they might be planning and that is the very foundation of forming a strategy. Trump never does this. He knows they're against him, but he doesn't know how they'll attack and he doesn't do anything about it even when he knows (such as election fraud)
C) Trump said "no retribution, I'll be too busy". That is unacceptable. The instinct for revenge serves an evolutionary purpose. To destroy predators before they strike again. It applies to lions. It applies to thieves and murderers, It applies to the people of the deep state.
Through the apparatus of civilization law is the organized fulfillment of this function, hopefully rendering it obsolete; but when the law becomes a weapon of the predators the instinct becomes proper again. Which is not to say retribution needs to be any more extra-legal than what the left-tribe has already endorsed. Indeed if judged by their own standards we could probably imprison around 50,000 of them for three years without trial.
After that simply pass a law that jury selection for a federal crime must be drawn from a nation-wide pool, nullify all convictions where that wasn't the case since 2016, and try/retry everyone. Anyone who isn't found guilty again will be entitled to compensation at the expense of those cops, judges, prosecutors, and juries which victimized them.
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@Best.Korea
"Wages grew historically fast between 2019 and 2020—6.9% for the typical or median worker—but not for good reasons. Wages grew largely because more than 80% of the 9.6 million net jobs lost in 2020 were jobs held by wage earners in the bottom 25% of the wage distribution"As I said, everyone has more than what they had in 2019.
You're making major errors by invalid simplifications leading to contradictions.
"Everyone has more than what they had in 2019" then what about those 9.6 million people who lose their jobs?
I have personally recorded 20-50% inflation on many critical products including concrete, steel, lumber, meat, vegetables, fruit, grains, diesel, methane, and grid electricity.
No wage increases for me, none for anyone I know. Number of homeless apparently doubling (by counting tents).
When you don't trust the media you don't trust their numbers, they don't have to make a math error when they have control over the sample sets and definition of terms. The famous one is "full employment", they never mean "everyone who can work is working"; the only factor there is whether the deep state wants good numbers or bad numbers.
6%/month wage growth = BS
3%/month inflation = Might be true with the right sample, but who gives a shit. It's +50% since the plandemic and wages * workers most certainly is not 1.5 times.
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Greyparrot the way you simply talk past IWRA is entirely appropriate. Anything else qualifies as masochism.
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@TheUnderdog
Immigration might follow suit as this country strides more towards the ethos of liberty.
I'm not even going to try to correct you. Basic facts seem to bounce off you so how much more impossible with abstract concepts.
If the decision angers you enough and you live in a place like NYC, you can move to Westchester or Putnam County if you want
Don't forget violence against the state. That's a classic... neolithic actually. Wherever there are governments, sometimes they just gotta die.
If the individual left wingers consent, fine.
Well if I can use the threat of violence to make their lives living hells of course they'll "consent", you know the same way "we" "consent" to taxes by not running away.
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@Greyparrot
It's all fun and games until they start to claim those people on the census and get more congressional seats "representing" their serfs. So will the backlash to kicking people out of hotels, schools, and perhaps apartments to house migrants be enough for the right-tribe to seize control and prevent illegal immigrants from counting towards apportionment? I don't know.
I feel as if it would be poetic justice to take left-tribe voters and send them to central America while transferring their citizenship to the people they invited over. Chances are the new guys would be much more useful, and probably vote against abortion too.
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@Best.Korea
Wait.In free market, money would be printed too.
There is nothing free about printing money and then attacking people who don't use your monopoly money, and if you don't threaten people who try to use other currencies they won't use the one you're inflating for your own agenda.
Every exchange currency would have someone capable of producing more of it.
Precious metals were fairly stable (meaning they couldn't just make more, they had to mine it or steal it if they wanted more).
Bitcoin can't be inflated.
Some countries can be slightly more trusted not to print every time some deep state goon needs to refill her icecream freezer.
Just what amount of money printing are you fine with?
None that is used arbitrarily. For corruption free expansion of the money supply - exactly that amount that is required to cancel deflation; although a convincing argument exists that we should use a fixed supply and just adjust for deflation by redistributing any coin unspent for a certain amount of time.
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@Best.Korea
The difference is that printing can be limited. Germany printed too much money, much much more than few trillions per year, on a population much smaller than in USA.
Theft is poison to the market regardless of its form or source.
"Look, we don't need to drink as much poison as that guy" may be true, but drinking poison doesn't help.
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@Best.Korea
So, would you support printing money as a replacement for all taxes?
No, it's worse than taxes due to constantly throwing financial computations out of whack, especially how real wages are constantly reduced and are much stiffer than consumer prices which react very quickly. The integral between the curves represents consumers getting screwed over.
Politically taxes are easier to fight because they are clear(ish), and also for the same reason more companies will make informed decisions and escape before they're destroyed by them.
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@Swagnarok
Some level of taxation is inevitable, because some level of government is inevitable.
Government does not need taxation (by threat of force) to be funded. Why would it?
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@zedvictor4
So how does one actually observe the phenomenon?
As good an example as any. On the right panel click on "figures", there is a simplified diagram of the experimental setup.
In broad strokes they zapped a special part of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen-vacancy_center diamond with a microwave beam which caused it to shoot out entangled photons. Well tons of things are always shooting out entangled photons and independent photons, but this weird magic crystal shit only glows when the spin is zero and when the spin is zero (now this is an electron in the diamond, it stays where it is) the photons must leave as an entangled pair.
Beyond that I can't tell you much more than read the papers and see what you can understand. I've seen a lot of cool things personally, but never entanglement experiments.
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@zedvictor4
What about coincidence?Why should similar particles not behave similarly.
Are you asking how they discovered entanglement?
Yea I'm sure they would have suspected it was coincidence the first couple times, and then after 500 times and rechecking the experimental apparatus to make sure you're not introducing a bias, but after experiment #5000 with different steups you have to admit correlation.
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@TheUnderdog
Now would you please explicitly state that you misled about 23 protestors having guns at the capitol (not the whitehouse) on Jan 6?I'm not sure what you mean by this. 23 Jan 6 protestors out of like 2000 had guns.
No they did not. That number is false. You were misled. Review:
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A recent one: Silo on Apple. I thought it was pretty good overall which makes it spectacular by current standards of quality.
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Not talking to double R, but about him:
[Underdog] Claims that he's racist over support for a border wall. Bush actually built the wall. The left wing matrix didn't get angry at Bush over actually building the wall.[DoubleR] The secure borders and fencing act of 06 was a practical solution to a practical problem. It wasn't the cornerstone of Bush's campaign.
There is only one relevant difference between Bush and Trump. Bush started wars and made blackrock (for example) lots of money. Trump didn't.
Since Bush did, he was tolerable and the deep state did not need to undermine him (hec he may have been in on it). Trump was intolerable, which is why for the first time in living memory blocking illegal immigration became racist.
Why do they hate Trump?
Because they believe he is racist.
Why do they believe that?
The media and academic institutions, puppets of the deep state, said he was racist.
Why did they do that and not for anyone else who has done far more suspicious things far more often (blackface, praising grand wizards of the KKK, etc...)
Because Trump endangers the massive theft of wealth from almost everyone (especially Americans) to the beneficiaries of the deep state (which does include all those congress people who just so happen to do very well in the stock market during their terms)
This is the theory that fits the big picture.
None of this mattered because the actual wall wasn't the point, it was the chant. The wall was just a symbol of bigotry that Trump used to dog whistle to his supporters. None of them actually cared whether Trump built it as is demonstrated by the fact that his base is still as fervent as ever despite him building next to none of it. They love him because he hates the same people they do, and he wasn't afraid to signal that to them loud and clear.
"Conspiracy Theory" = 70 million people are lying about being racist
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@TheUnderdog
The media lied to you, and you're still falling for some of it. Stop trusting them. Question motives. Notice patterns of falsehoods.That's all mainstream media; from OAN to CNN.Everyone wants to help their party.
Not everyone is equally dishonest though.
Now would you please explicitly state that you misled about 23 protestors having guns at the capitol (not the whitehouse) on Jan 6?
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Using the same word(s) to mean:
A) mate
B) seriously harm
I wouldn't want to explain that one to the aliens.
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@FLRW
Do you ever say anything even slightly interesting? I know IWRA doesn't.
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@TheUnderdog
Fact check org:
Asha Rangappa, an attorney and former FBI agent, told us in an email that she did “not see the logic” in the claim that firearms had to be present for the Capitol riot to have been deemed an armed insurrection.
When I talk about deep state controlling institutions this is what I mean. You cite a website which styles itself a fact checker, and it repeats the claims of government thugs as if they were in the least bit relevant.
She also said we will never know how many rioters might have been armed with guns on Jan. 6, because only some were arrested that day.
Ah, so they might have been armed; just like they might have been feds. Somehow it's only a 'conspiracy theory' when the right-tribe does it.
Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook
*five continuous minutes of laughing ending in breathless sobs*
[TheUnderdog] states that 23 Jan 6 protestors (out of thousands) had guns. That's 1%. I would expect at least 50% would have guns since it's hardcore MAGA people. It's 1%!
I know you're arguing they weren't as armed as they could have been, but you're conclusion is even more supported than you think.
Now for those of you who wonder what I mean when I say "propaganda" I mean this so called fact check. It is representative a vast number of propaganda mouthpieces for the deep state, this ones not even trying to hide its sources are feds.
They don't have to tell an explicit lie because they are masters of lying by implication and lying by omission. Why did Underdog think 23 people were known to have guns at the capitol? Because this article is expertly written to give that impression without actually saying it.
23 people have been charged with having deadly or dangerous weapons during the assault — including a loaded handgun found on a man arrested on Capitol grounds.
If you actually read the article they try to make the case that flagpoles and captured riot shields are deadly and dangerous weapons. If you take all claims as factual there was one person known to have a hand gun. One. Note the bolded 'a'.
The person who wrote this knew damn well that he or she could insert the report about a single handgun in the same sentence as "23" at the top of the page and most people would draw the conclusion that there were 23 armed people.
How much of this do you have to see before you realize you cannot trust these people?!
So I don't, as far as I am concerned even the claim of the single handgun is enemy propaganda. It's not unlikely that there was a handgun. I would bet there was one just on statistics alone; but a claim from deep state sources including DC court charging documents is anti-evidence. That is all else being equal a claim is less likely to be true because they have made it and they know warfare is deception.
TL;DR: The media lied to you, and you're still falling for some of it. Stop trusting them. Question motives. Notice patterns of falsehoods.
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@TheUnderdog
No assumption was made. Read again. A conditional is not an assumption.Criteria for determining which choices are rights are not assumptions.The assumption you were making
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@n8nrgim
so if one of the entagangled electrons changes charge or postiion, that doesn't cause the other one to change?
Correct. Entanglement refers to correlated properties, not any ability to influence one from the other. It's 'entangled' because the determination of one measurement guarantees the result of the other, which ironically isn't at all strange for everyday intuition; it's only strange in quantum mechanics where everything else is a probability distribution. It's weird that we can know something about the other entangled particle before it is measured.
so they can be entangled at great distances, but we basically wont necessarily know for how long they're actually entangled,
Uhm, so preserving entanglement is itself an enormous engineering challenge. It requires keeping any energy (via force field) away from what ever you're talking about and that's why (if you watched the videos) they're super-cooling their electron traps in those so called computers.
Is it fundamentally impossible to know if it's still entangled? No, insofar as you can theoretically detect interactions and if you do you then know it's no longer entangled.
BUT it is impossible to know if the other particle is still entangled, or where it is, or whether it was measured.
because what happens to one doesn't automatically happen to the other?if i'm understanding you right.
Right. And here is where the theory is important. Nothing can happen without a collapse and thus breaking entanglement.
If you imagine it as a balloon then you're Edward sissorhands. Any interaction with the standing wave (other than to keep it trapped in a potential well) will cause wave collapse (popping the balloon).
So if you're imagining you could poke it with something and the distant one jiggles that can't happen. I mean there is no reason to expect it would happen even if you could do it without popping the balloon, but you will pop the balloon (and they can't tell you popped your balloon)
All entanglement means in this context is that the two balloons have red and blue confetti in them, and if one is red the other will be blue.
if a corresponding change happened to the other even if just instantaneous and no further... itd at least be possible to use multiple entangled particles to send information to the other side.
Right, any kind of instantaneous change you could affect could be harnessed for communication. If you had to 'burn' an entangled pair for every bit of information that would use a lot of pairs before it became useful. Good thought for a sci-fi short. Not the heart of the confusion here.
but it looks like you are saying we can't know when entanglemnt is broken on the opposite side of when one side changing.
I'm saying that no remote change occurs what so ever. That's the 'real problem'. There is nothing you can do to your particle that they can see happening and vice versa.
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@TheUnderdog
They also murder each other a lotWell virtually nobody is advocating for legalized murder, so what's your point?
My point was that you weren't making a point. Criteria for determining which choices are rights are not assumptions.
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@TheUnderdog
Coherent libertarians, that is the coherent principle of liberty is "do what ever you want so long as you don't reduce the choices others would have if it was impossible to interact with you"You can't make the assumption, "if it was impossible to interact with you", because people interact with each other a lot.
They also murder each other a lot. It's not an assumption, it's a heuristic factor.
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