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@Vegasgiants
Just name a country doing it right. It doesn't need to be a perfect libertarian country....just one you think we should model after
We should aim for perfection. If you want an example that is more ethical and rational (in terms of economics) than the US at this particular moment that's easy.
Chile, El Salvador, Israel, India, (incredibly) CCP.
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Printing money is the problem.[IwantRooseveltagain] Wrong, the government, specifically the Treasury Department, doesn’t print money unless it sells US Government bonds first.
X is the problem.
WRONG, the government doesn't do X unless Y.
...Like I said, printing money is the problem.
USA, before income taxes.What a moron. How do you propose we pay for WWII?
Considering that WW2 ended in 1945 I suggest that not one cent of income tax since has paid for WW2, since sending wealth back in time is not possible.
I know my failure to believe in time travel is moronic, but I just can't shake the notion.
Also "you can't find a country without murder" is a poor argument for legalizing murder.Ya, taxes and murder, same difference. Idiot.you can’t find a country without taxes ergo we should also have taxes. You can’t find such a place because every country needs revenue to pay for government services.you can’t find a country without murder ergo we should legalize murder. You can’t find such a place because there are bad people in every country.
There are bad people in every country, and every country does some bad things. One of the bad things every country does is systematic theft.
Note that the reasons you gave were potentially relevant, the fact that no perfect country can be found is not. Hence my appeal to absurdity is cemented.
No logic there whatsoever Liberty
I'm not convinced that you would have the intelligence to realize a constitution is a good idea before the first constitution was written.
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@Vegasgiants
I love libertarians. They believe in unicorns. Lol
I resent fools, they can't understand basic math but think they're in a position to declare something impossible.
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@Vegasgiants
If it's a pyramid scheme it's the best one in the world.
For the sake of humanity let's hope this is the all time record for pyramid schemes.
Why don't you tell us of a large successful country that follows an economic model you agree with.
USA, before income taxes.
Also "you can't find a country without murder" is a poor argument for legalizing murder. No country or legal system will be perfect, but the ones closer to objective morality and rational economics are better.
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@Vegasgiants
The point being is that debt makes your life better. It makes our country stronger
This is a red herring/strawman. Debt in of itself is not the problem. Printing money is the problem.
It is the printing of money which allows the government to essentially never pay back its creditors (the real creditors, every dollar owner, not the fake creditors the large banks and bond holders; those are basically just the upper levels of the pyramid scheme). Without the ability to steal through inflation and taxes the government would have defaulted a long long time ago.
Asking me if debt makes my life better is entirely irrelevant. If I could get away with stealing it would also make my life better.
The question is does the stealing make everyone's life better? The answer is: No.
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@Vegasgiants
I don't care what you want
If you don't care to present and analyze arguments what are you doing here?
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@Vegasgiants
Inflation is not increasing. It is going down.
Already proved false.
The rate is all that matters.
True of magnetic flux in the context of induction, false in almost every other context including this one.
No one wants zero inflation
I do.
If it's stealing I hope they continue stealing
I hope you experience some poetic justice.
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@Vegasgiants
Debt doesn't cause inflation. There is no correlation with rising debt and rising inflation. I proved that.
You did not prove that. Debt is increasing constantly. Inflation is increasing constantly.
You can call it stealing all you want but it will never change
You can deny it's stealing all you want, but it will never be moral.
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@Vegasgiants
You miss the point.
You move the goalposts. You claimed that you had proved debt didn't cause inflation because you confused inflation for its first derivative with respect to time.
Your argument was thus debunked, you have made no new argument.
Every country uses debt this way.
Any country that prints money and then wastes it on government programs with a 5% relative efficiency will see inflation caused by it. Other factors may cause prices to rise, fall, or stay steady but the effect of diluting currency without increasing tangible wealth is always inflationary.
If we had zero debt we would not be the most successful country on earth.
If our government didn't steal from people it would be.
You leverage debt to maximize your own personal life. Successful companies do it too.
Neither I nor successful companies can open a bank with the ability to add $100,000 to its accounts by the press of a button and then loan them to me.
If I had that power it would be referred to as fraud, but my life would be much better; at the expense of everyone else.
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@Vegasgiants
Increasing the debt is not correlated with rising inflation rate
Yes, that's what I just said. It's correlated with rising inflation == positive inflation rate BECAUSE the mechanism for increasing debt is borrowing from a banking system which ultimately derives its available funds through the fiat of the government.
A clear and obvious shell game where the government pays people with dollars the government authorized to be printed thus devaluing all other dollars and effectively stealing a proportion of all savings, income, and assets.
They could not do this if dollars were representations of a quantity of gold or bitcoin. They would say "oh well let's just raise the debt limit", and then when they went to borrow (via bonds) no idiot would lend them anything.
The credit rating of the federal government is entirely predicated on its ability to steal from the American people and manipulate global markets through threats and espionage. It's obvious that you won't make your money back on an organization that always borrows faster than it repays, the only reason anyone does it is because by buying government bonds they're getting in on the action (of stealing from the global economy).
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@Vegasgiants
The rate of inflation is currently decreasing and the rate of inflation is not tied to debt
and who said the rate of inflation is tied to debt? It's inflation that is tied to debt, by an obvious and public mechanism.
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@Vegasgiants
I would try to explain delayed decoupling between causal relationships but it's pretty clear that you and IwantRooseveltagain aren't even close to the math level to deal with that concept.
I'll explain your error and if you show understanding I'll do more.
Inflation, I = the factor between the new dollar amount and the previous dollar amount caused by expansion of the money supply.
If an apple costs 80 cents now and 2 cents in 1923 (assuming getting apples is no more difficult) then inflation = 80/2 = 40.
For inflation to go down to 1923 levels would mean that apples are once again 2 cents.
Rate = how fast something is changing with respect to something else. In most cases the implied other variable is time. The flow rate of a pipe is the change in fluid volume per unit time.
The inflation rate is how quickly inflation is changing with time, dI/dt.
If you are filling a bathtub and you turn down the faucet you are decreasing the flow rate, however as long as water is coming out of the faucet the flow rate is positive. The amount of water in the tub is still increasing. dWater/dt > 0. If it equaled zero that would mean the amount of water is not changing. If it was less than zero that would mean the amount of water is decreasing.
I gave you a link showing the rate of inflation. Since the rate was not less than zero (a negative number) at any point I know inflation has not decreased at any point.
All of your statements to the effect of "inflation is reducing" are false, and you don't even seem to be aware of it despite the very direct clue Greyparrot gave.
You might try to claim that you meant "inflation rate" but even if you did (which I doubt) that would destroy your original claim that inflation cannot be caused by debt.
Debt is always increasing and so is inflation. Is the rate of debt increase proportional to the rate of inflation increase? If debt causes inflation they must be on average but not over any specific period.
What you have claimed is that car speed can't cause wind in your face because acceleration is going down. Yet acceleration can be zero, and if your current speed is 80 kph there will be wind and it will be caused by your constant velocity.
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@Vegasgiants
Source?
https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate says it's rising and has been since 2019. (that's just the chart, it's been rising a lot longer than that)
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@Vegasgiants
There is noise in any data set, but Greyparrot seems to be correct about your misunderstanding. Did you ever take calculus Vegasgiants?
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How many times is Vegasgiants going to say "inflation is going down" without anyone calling him or her out on it? That is false. It isn't, it hasn't for generations.
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Pleasantly surprised by multiple people saying "human rights". This is correct, equal rights means that's the only perfect description.
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@Vegasgiants
So your idea is "Debt is not a problem if you never plan to repay it."?
Except this isn't a board game. There is a real world with a finite number of people using a finite amount of resources at improvable but non-infinite efficiency.
It isn't the debt itself that is causing inflation, it's what the debt means. When they say "we borrow" they pretty much mean "we print".
Whatever shell games they play, the fact is when they spend more than their revenue that means real goods and services go into the government blackhole and nothing comes out except monopoly money.
Less goods and services for us, more dollars for us = inflation, so sadolite is entirely correct to associate the two phenomenon.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] First thing Biden should do is stop Social Security checks to people living in Kentucky, West Virginia and Florida
The next thing that should happen after that is a supreme court decision that social security was a fraudulent program now used in the cause of tyranny and any employer who collects it from a paycheck or IRS agent who attempts to demand it is in a state of insurrection against the United States of America.
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@zedvictor4
I don't understand the question. If you are asking if gender dysphoria is directly caused by genetics almost certainly not. Genetics change over the scale of tens of thousands of years minimum.
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No it's probably the gang wars that occur in every democrat run city List of U.S. states and territories by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
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Someone is going to cave, but I keep having this recurring fantasy that they don't pass a budget and three letter agencies start collapsing one by one. *shakes head but is left with a wistful smile*
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Never been, I think a culture that emphasizes personal responsibility tends to be more robust with more robust characters in it.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It's fairly obvious the suicide rate (and attempted suicide rate) is high because they believe they have the wrong body and that it is a great misfortune. Some are assisted in the delusion for a time that medical techniques can give them the body they believe they should have, but ultimately it can't and thus the depression returns worse than ever.
There are two and only two permanent solutions to the root cause:
1.) Stop believing oneself to be in the "wrong body" by some means.
2.) Actually get the right body by some means.
(1) may be possible, but of course no one but the dysphoric person could possibly know for sure. It's likely in my opinion that the dysphoria is encouraged and grew in many modern cases and thus would have been prevented entirely without so much "gender affirming" infrastructure. In the past self-acceptance may have been the best medicine for those with truly internal dysphoria.
(2) may be possible in 100 to 5000 years.
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The minute you try and use the power of govt to make my life difficult, it’s civil war.[IwantRooseveltagain] without a government guys like you would be naked and starving living in a hollowed out tree.
You don't own the concept of government. Someone telling one particular oppressive government to keel over and die is hardly a confession of anarchism.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen as Trump says?If yes, how was it stolen?
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@Sidewalker
It looks a bit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_4FluN2Wsk
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Specific person #1: Joe Biden, makes himself rich selling US foreign policy,[IwantRooseveltagain] So Joe Biden is a member of the Deep State? How long has he been a member?
Given that Politco did an expose on him indicating corruption at least ten years: at least ten years. "member", it's not a book club. They have no need for a membership roll, they have plenty of ways of signalling each other. You know like antifa "isn't really an organization".
I just had a good laugh thinking about using that ridiculous 'defense' for white supremacy. "There are no white supremacists, how do I know? They don't keep a membership ledger."
[IwantRooseveltagain] Why did the American people just elect him in 2020 if he’s a member?
1.) Fallacy of complex question, he may not have been duly elected.
2.) If he was, despite his obvious history with racism, his lifelong corruption, and recently his senility that could only be explained by an enormous institutional power influencing public perception in his favor. Not just 'a theory', the evidence has been uncovered everywhere. In fact it's more exposed than shrouded.
The deep state has power because it can make morons support it by malinforming them via institutions of "media" and government.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] There is no Deep State. How do I know this? Because you and all the other wack jobs can’t define it or name specific people who are part of it.
Deep state - the network of persons and institutions, motivated by corruption or globalist malthusianism ideology, who seek to maintain control over the external and internal policy of as many nations as possible for the purpose of lining their own pockets especially though arms selling, proxy wars, and machiavellian manipulation.
Deep staters, no matter what they profess will never reduce a public budget, will never repeal a regulation, never disentangle from foreign interference, never reduce the amount of spying on the general population. Why? What all those things have in common is control. When everyone is guilty of something and the CIA is spying on everyone, then everyone can be controlled and no one is a threat to that public budget being redirected into deep state pockets.
The deep state interests and persons can be best identified by watching the controlled institutions of the "intelligence community" and "mainstream" media. Inexplicable hostility from these institutions indicates a threat to the deep state. Inexplicable support from these institutions indicates a member of the deep state.
Specific person #1: Joe Biden, makes himself rich selling US foreign policy, always increases US control over other countries, opts for any action that increases the number of arms the military industrial complex can sell. Joe Biden's gaffes and exposed corruption are hidden by the "mainstream" media and the "intelligence community".
Specific person #2: Obama, he dispatched elements of the DOJ to spy on Trump's campaign after spending eight years constantly increasing spending and drone striking anyone who got in the way of US hegemony.
Specific person #3: That FBI agent was part of crossfire hurricane and also on the team that raided maro lago.
[IwantRooseveltagain] Are they elected? Appointed? Are they government employees? Sometimes,
Correct.
some parts of the FBI are part of it, sometimes they are not.
I would be surprised if any specific person or team in the FBI showed signs of being deep state at one time and exonerated themselves at another. Certainly not everyone at the FBI is as a matter of statistics.
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[ADOL] When a prosecutor says "we're going to find something on you" to get the hell out of there and not look back.[IwantRooseveltagain] You are confused.No prosecutor was involved in this civil trial.
I am not confused. NY is where such a prosecutor was elected, thus proving the fact that a dangerous number of new yorkers do not see DJT as a fellow citizen but an enemy.
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@Best.Korea
Step 2:Government decides what to produce. Government observes what is necessary to produce desired product.
The quantification of the relative value of products and services normalized by the resources required is 'money'.
You can set prices but that just means you're probably wrong about the price.
You can forbid trading, but that doesn't escape rivalry in consumption and production.
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@Greyparrot
Trump probably wanted to lose this just like the Mar-a-Lago raid since all those political attacks push his polling up.Likely why he did a no-show.
I don't know. I wouldn't show up either, I wouldn't put myself in the power of these people. When a prosecutor says "we're going to find something on you" to get the hell out of there and not look back.
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Ya, ever since Trump became a politician the American justice system has become corrupt. But before Trump, judges and doctors and the FBI were all very professional and competent but somehow after a great, honest guy like Trump with a stellar reputation that he built over decades starting with dodging the draft, the whole country became a Banana Republic.
Confusing cause and effect. Trump is just an run of the mill upper class NY braggart. Nothing special about him except that he wouldn't play ball with the deep state.
The deep state attacks and thus you mock the idea that the deep state simply appeared after Trump. No, it was always there but it did not need to destroy a specific man before. Since it did, and used the media and state apparatus to attack; that has caused TDS which destroyed the reliability of the other institutions. Of course if the system was so easily subverted you can't say it was ever reliable.
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@TWS1405_2
The jury was biased. His team should have asked to move the case to another state with a less biased jury pool.
The judge would have denied because he or she was also a new york swamp creature.
There is no trust between right and left tribe even on this basic level of integrity. Nobody cares what a NY court determines in Florida or Texas, and I'm sure if the right-tribe ever started fighting back the same way no new yorker would care what a Texas or Floridian jury thinks.
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@Dr.Franklin
Then you're philosophical handicapped, at best you shouldn't be on a debate site. At worst you're a danger to your fellow men.
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@Intelligence_06
Did you have sexual experiences before and after?
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@Greyparrot
I don't think anything changed, this is just Blinken play acting.
Obviously it reduces the chances of WW3 if a failed assassination attempt is blamed on a few people in Ukraine rather than the US government.
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@Greyparrot
To be fair, he was more like "none of our business" which would be appropriate if Ukraine wasn't a puppet state.
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What’s my dog doing here posting about abortion?
So what happens if I report this? This isn't debate, it's not discussion, it's just pure derision. Waste of vertical space.
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IwantRooseveltagain has caught whatever Biden has, really losing his/her grip on reality. I haven't been christian since before this forum existed (so that was not my bio). However, whoever he has me confused with was truly a man of taste in terms of pasta and freedom.
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@hey-yo
There's no need. It's the government that would have to make a competing internet if they wanted to control it.
Understanding this really requires a fair amount of knowledge about networking and IT.
The internet is more a protocol and a collection of servers than anything else. The protocol defines how to transfer data and resolves addressing. DNS is how you go from a www.debateart.com -> 104.21.70.199. Routing is how every node between you and the server addressed by 104.21.70.199 knows where to send packets.
There are huge nodes, giant central routers controlled by governments. DNS registries also have some interface with government (or else two people could claim to own the same domain name).
That doesn't mean the government "controls" the internet, I mean they do in a sense. They can try to restrict traffic from certain IPs or domain names passing through the nodes they control, but because the protocol is not designed to be observed by government agents it can be encrypted, both the contents final destination, and origin.
If "we" needed to get around government censorship we only need to replace the big nodes they control and the DNS registries. This can be done in a distributed manner using peer to peer mesh networks. Many people have already put a lot of thought into this. Any rumblings from the various governments of the world would only accelerate development.
Then the internet becomes our internet. All the same websites.
Of course the government can then declare that any person or company who isn't using government controlled nodes or protocols designed to be snooped by the FBI/CIA is violating the law, but that isn't significantly different from them simply creating their own internet. A crime which 3/4 the population are guilty of will just be prohibition 2.0. It won't last.
To give you an example in between full peer-to-peer and what exists now, consider starlink. Suppose SpaceX sees the writing on the wall, they open source the network and lock the firmware to a blockchain signoff. Effectively donating the network to the population on Earth.
Then even if a court didn't buy "but we don't own it anymore" there would be nothing else to do but shoot the network down. Again, if we're at the point that a government is shooting down communications satellites for the sake of control and censorship, and we don't insurrect the hell out of them? We're doomed.
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Thread Resurrection due to new developments: HE'S GETTING IMPEACHED. - YouTube
Summary: Some whistleblower is saying Joe helped Burisma in ways other than protecting it from Shokin (the prosecutor).
As we know from DoubleR whistleblowers from within an administration are more trustworthy than your own mother.
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@Dr.Franklin
Q: Is there a point in asking if you have a justification for that opinion?
A: Porn is evil, simple as that.
Real Answer: No, there is no point asking.
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@Savant
That sounds like Utah just wanted to ban porn without dealing with 1st amendment challenges, which is exactly my point about regulation and permits.
When the government is providing information people can decide if it's reasonable or not. In this case they would see right through the BS and go to PH anyway.
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@TWS1405_2
Double R is correct, you said "debate" in the OP. Even if you didn't an exchange of arguments is by definition a debate.
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So is that new CoC activated yet? Isn't this utterly pointless insult posting Lebronskismith is doing exactly what it was trying to prevent?
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@Dr.Franklin
Is there a point in asking if you have a justification for that opinion?
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@Savant
why did the Utah law drive them outThe Utah law required age verification and did not provide a good way of doing that.
Are you saying that Yoti isn't verifying age even though it requires a government issued ID?
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@Savant
Illegal but unstoppable doesn't mean muchIt does if people don't want to risk being arrested.
Not much of a risk, hence the "unstoppable" part.
Sounds an awful lot like your suggestion, and it was two years agoSo you've just linked to something proving my plan works?
If it worked, why did the Utah law drive them out?
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@Savant
hosting American content from BrazilNo, because American content hosted from Brazil would be illegal if not verified.
Illegal but unstoppable doesn't mean much.
What happens when that distributor leaks a database or simply sells your info for blackmailers?I'm pretty sure porn isn't anonymous.
Apparently on pornhub it isn't:
Sounds an awful lot like your suggestion, and it was two years ago. I wonder what the outcome has been? It seems like the existence of this thread shows "easier said than done", either that or Utah is simply very confused about what could be reasonably expected.
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