ADreamOfLiberty

So a “county” court is just the state Superior court for that district. California has 58 Superior Courts, one for each county in the state but they are State courts.

Get it genius?

[Savant] All of those cities are run by Democrats.

Not having children is the same as killing them.

If the end of life was a freely chosen value, it's end is an expression of liberty.

Except we dont know if a person will change his opinion in the future.

First, it destroys children that a person would have if he didnt commit suicide.

Plus, it destroys the labor that would have sustained more life.

it is incorrect to say the dead are being oppressed because they are dead

Well, we could say that being dead is bad. Otherwise, why would murder be a crime?

I can prove to you (and everyone else) that they value their own liberty.

Yes, but valuing liberty over life sometimes results in destruction of life and then the liberty gets destroyed too.

Jada's black people.

The movie "Braveheart" commits far graver crimes against  history than getting some shade of color wrong.

Exactly what brilliant argument do you think you made to be “completely disproved”

Are crimes prosecuted by the city attorney or the attorney general?

You may not be aware of this thing called a "county".

Ya, you idiots are always claiming it’s Democrat cities are the problem.

Values are values whether they are held for one second or one millennium

So we could say a millennium is longer than one second. Therefore, they are not the same. So if valuing life lasts longer and is in greater amount compared to not valuing life, the first is much better.

None that I have ever met have been able to prove the value is universal no matter the degree nor target

Well, the universal value is a bit tricky. You cant value all life equally. But you can, for example, have value such as "increase human life".

Republicans think that giving money to rich people causes them to work more, and giving money to poor people causes them to work less.

Self-determination is more important to a suicidal person than life, and that's their life.

Yes, but such self-determination destroys itself, leaving nothing. So we could say that his morality commits suicide with him, and becomes nothing.

 I asked about life in the abstract. Why should I care if ants die?

Well, why care about an ant? You shouldnt care too much about an ant, since caring too much about an ant is bad for human population. Human population actually kills lots of ants in order to survive, as agriculture destroys ant's nests. However, if you see an ant, should you step on it? I would say no. After all, the ant is not harming your life or life of other humans, and stepping on him would not save any lives.

Why? Can you prove life is valuable to me in the  abstract?

If life is not valuable, what is valuable then? Nothing.

So yes, logically, you have moral obligation to save lives.

Well, animals don't have their own plastic surgeons to perform genital reassignment surgeries, but if they did, I'm sure some would like it.

Please give me the titles of these books so we can decide if it's pornography. Hint: Are You THere God It's Me Margaret is not a porno. 

Transgenderism came about during evolution.   Bonobos are an endangered ape species found only in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where they live in small, largely peaceful tribes. Along with chimps, they’re our closest living relatives, which is why the study of their mating habits opens a political minefield. Unlike chimps, bonobos are naturally bisexual—and happily engage in homosexual acts for enjoyment, to solve conflicts, and to get ahead in the tribe. It is interesting to note that

chimpanzee and bonobo males are extraordinarily well endowed in the testicle department.

So you admit you don't understand how it would contribute to survival, you just assume it does because you believe natural selection would eliminate anything detrimental.

• More like, as a lover of literature and history and member of the community, I understand LGBTQ's contribution inherently and am waiting for science to provide a genetic explanation.
  

have no way to know that.

• Except the manifest exception contributions of LGBTQ in the community.  When the studies of LGBTQ performance in the workplace are finally done, those contributions will become more apparent to the non-LGBTQ community.  Every large workplace I've ever been has a had a few ultra-competent queers making things happen- usually just under the actual executive ranks.  Look at the first moderators on this site, the top of the leaderboard, and particular the overperformance of LGBTQ on the much larger debate.org in years past.  That's not a coincidence- that is a pattern that open-minded people notice has been repeated over and over since the beginning of civilization.  
  

Asexuals would fill the niche you purport better than suicidal homosexuals.

• No.  LGBTQ contributions to civilization are inherently sexual.  Michelango, Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman,Tennessee Williams,  Andy Warhol, Yves St Laurent, Annie Lebowitz gay artists are more interested by sex,  know more about sex, create more about sex than straight artists do. The experience with sex is inherently part of the cultural contribution.
  

The US has always been heavily armed and if anything it was easier to get your hands on a weapon as a child or young adult in earlier times. School massacres are very recent by comparison. The first one was long after semi-automatic rifles I bet.

The school massacre era began in 1999 with Columbine.

it could still be selected for because selecting a good fertile pairing is worth far more than the small amounts of energy lost.

• Exactly.  The gay genes allow for increased adult to children ratios, selecting for quality generations over quantity.
  

The genes may be correlated, but they are certainly not sufficient. Nurture remains.

• A) We don't know that yet. 
  

B) If you find a genetic correlation with bravery, than it is reasonable to suspect that bravery is adaptive.

...and what if it is discovered that the exact same genes are correlated with pedophilia?

• No such correlation has ever been found.
  

But did anyone look?

• Yes.  Some small familial and twins studies have found some genetic correlation to pedophilia
  

No correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia has ever been found. 

A pedophile who preys on a pre-pubescent boy is far more likely to be attracted to pre-pubescent girls and adult women then adult men.  Far less even then the normal prevelance of gay men in society.  More plainly, a pre-pubescent boy is statistically safer from rape with a random man who has sex with adult men or identifies as gay then with a random man who has sex with adult women or identifies as straight.

If they go and kill themselves when they can't have the sex they want that is infinitely worse (from a selection point of view) than if they were just caring adults who didn't need to have sex.

• And yet the selection persists.  Clearly, the contribution of homosexuals to social adaptation goes beyond mere procreation.
  

You can find these pages reproduced on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, even with age restrictions turned on.  All those site, like this one, forbid the posting of pornography. (plus a bunch more stuff about how so many people want children to see Gender Queer)

ACLU

A UChicago Harris/AP-NORC survey from March found that only 12 percent of Americans supported schools banning books that concern “divisive topics,”

Put in context of the Supreme Court's definition of obscenity: librarians, teachers, students,  publishers, newpapers, and the majority of Floridians represent the community standard that sees the literary and artistic value of a coming-out graphic novel for teens, does not find the book offensive and therefore the book is not pornography in the legal sense.

More Florida schools kept or acquired Gender Queer after DeSantis' purported "ban" than held the book before DeSantis brought the book to their attention, including 9 out of the 10 best high schools in the state.  In other words, there is no statewide ban- just Republican school districts making a show.

You can tell that DeSantis knows that he's on the wrong side of the First Ammendment  and limited government here because not a single librarian or teacher has been charged with exposing children to pornography, in spite of repeating that claim at every poltical rally for the last two years.  DeSantis knows that if he test his claim that teacher are distributing pornography in court, he will be quickly denied.

As I said before, you might as well call that ideology "the Civil Rights movement" or "Americans who love Freedom" or "People who have read the US Constiitution." 

Protecting our children's access to true and real information is not a particularly LGBTQ issue

We didn't always have school massacres though. I think there is a cause, and it might be as simple as "the experts" drugging people who are depressed due to bullying with psychoactive substances with unknown mechanisms of action.

[IwantRooseveltagain] Or, hear me out, in the 20th century there weren’t 20 million assault rifles that were easier to buy than a 6 pack of beer.

This argument is not including any rape, or [incestuous] incidents, only consensual sex incidents protection or not. 

[Athias] Then your argument has already been undermined. Consent or incest doesn't qualify whether an abortion is, as you allege, a "human sacrifice." They merely present circumstances under which you believe it's PERMISSIBLE to carry out a "human sacrifice."

I know that fascists conflated the people and the state far more than they conflated the autocrat with the state, although they did all three.

Thus using original source material I have demonstrated that Trump's claim is less fascist than your fruedian slip.

Let's break this down in parts.

First, you are claiming fascists conflated the people and the state. Based on your example and arguments, you appear to be saying they did so in their speeches. So in other words, your argument is that fascists can be taken literally and at their word.

That's absurd.

This is BTW exactly what Trump is doing - he ran as the rule of law candidate and now that the law has caught up to him is urging his supporters to take up arms (directly violating the rule of law) in defense of it.

As an autocrat, you literally are the state. So for a fascist to conflate the people with the state is completely antithetical to everything they are striving for.

Trump's rhetoric is deeply anti-government, which is antithetical to fascism.

No it's not. If you are a fascist your prime goal is to get the people to accept you over the current government so that people will give you the power to disregard it's boundaries, thus allowing you to expand your power.

Perhaps in your world I should escape this indoctrination by heading over to Info Wars.

You are the type that trusts authority.

No, I'm the type that believes in expertise. Clearly you don't, which is mind boggling.

You are the type who thinks he is for democracy while applauding the erosion of election integrity. 

Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen?

The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism. The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.

4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.

5. Disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.

6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.

9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex.

10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.

Detrimental mutations tend to rapidly disappear, not promulgate consistently in every socially adept species.

You are making a bad assumption here. Traits can be selected for or selected against.

• I assume nothing.  I am saying that since LGBTQ genes are found in all social animals, the "eradication" of that gene would likely undermine humanity's capacity to compete.
  

You are making a bad assumption here. Traits can be selected for or selected against.

• I assume nothing.  I am saying that since LGBTQ genes are found in all social animals, the "eradication" of that gene would likely undermine humanity's capacity to compete.
  

it could still be selected for because selecting a good fertile pairing is worth far more than the small amounts of energy lost.

• Exactly.  The gay genes allow for increased adult to children ratios, selecting for quality generations over quantity.
  

...and what if it is discovered that the exact same genes are correlated with pedophilia?

• No such correlation has ever been found.
  

The FBI instructs investigators that the correlation between homosexuality and pedophila is less than random.

and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual

The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women

That is not to say you can't have a good life without your preferred sex 

• Fundamentally misses the point.  Not only do LGBTQ fail to prosper when forced to suppress their natural instinct, they  die and commit suicide at well documented and horrifying rates.
  

social movement is quite real.

• If there is a social movement to expose children to pornography, let's agree that Donald Trump leads it.  None of sexual fantasies of your seems related to LGBTQ.
  

"I should tell prepubescent children I like to fuck men" is not a feeling.

• No it is a criminal libel that Republicans should stop perpetrating to fool the weak-minded into voting for them.
  

Same-sex attraction and (I suppose) gender dymorphism are primal, survival level instincts.  Ideology requires civilization, society, poltical structure and the freedom to philosophize- but LGBTQ needs none of that.

Strange, they say gender is a social construct. How can you socially construct something without a society?

• Precisely.  Why should society assert gender as a bifurcated norm when the genetic reality is far more complex than that?
  

⦁ a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions

⦁ the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it

⦁ the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external

⦁ dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences

⦁ the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary

⦁ the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny

⦁ the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason

⦁ the beauty of violence and the efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success

⦁ the right of the chosen people to dominate others without restraint from any kind of human or divine law, right being decided by the sole criterion of the group’s prowess within a Darwinian struggle

It sounds like an individual using fascist tactics to work his way to a dictatorship.

[RM] False, already debunked this elsewhere.

The main problem with the Flat Earth model as I have seen isthe Sun. It is portrayed as moving over the flat disk in a way that it would alwaysremain visible. Not only that but as it moves away from one part of the disk itshould appear to grow smaller, which it doesn’t.

And you’re a cuck with an inferiority complex. 

[IwantRooseveltagain] No, I’m white. It’s the Asians that feel inadequate.

and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election

[ADOL] Yes, and overwhelming circumstantial evidence shows Biden was guilty.

[IwantRooseveltagain] Such as?

[IwantRooseveltagain] But didn’t Trump try to spark an investigation of Biden in Ukraine in his “perfect phone call”?

Autocracy is a form of government. Fascism is a philosophy

Conflating the people with the state is not something they do

The State guarantees the internal and

external safety of the country, but it also

safeguards and transmits the spirit of the

people, elaborated down the ages in its

language, its customs, its faith. The State

is not only the present; it is also the

past and above all the future.

Transcending the individual’s brief spell of

life, the State stands for the immanent

conscience of the nation. The forms in

which it finds expression change, but the

need for it remains. The State educates the

citizens to civism, makes them aware of

their mission, urges them to unity; its

justice harmonizes their divergent

interests; it transmits to future generations

the conquests of the mind in the fields of

science, art, law, human solidarity; it

leads men up from primitive tribal life to

that highest manifestation of human

power, imperial rule. The State hands

down to future generations the memory of

those who laid down their lives to ensure

its safety or to obey its laws; it sets up as

examples and records for future ages the

names of the captains who enlarged its

territory and of the men of genius who

have made it famous. Whenever respect for

the State declines and the disintegrating

and centrifugal tendencies of individuals

and groups prevail, nations are headed for

decay.

Likewise, the ideology your suggest as LGBTQist  was first articulated in the Declaration of Independence and is called the American Civil Rights Movement, founded in the 14th Ammendment to the US Consistitution.

 I do think there is an anti-LGBTQ idelology and it is often easier to find an anti-[group]ism than a [group]ism.

Scientists have documented some degree of same-sex pleasure seeking in every species of charasmatic fauna, particularly in highly social species, particularly in primates. Needless to say, any systematic elimination of of an adaptive trait (language, opposable thumbs, walking upright, etc) necessarily harms the viability of the species.

If you could have been normal from the start, would you choose to be?

• Speaking as someone who has been attacked by skinheads, threatened by police, fired from a job for being gay, I would have answered yes most of my life but the legal, social, political landscape has shifted so dramaticaly over the past 30 years.  I trusted the science the 80's when the science concluded my impulses were abnormal but I also trust the science as biologists today have changed science's mind.
  

Every idealogy expresses an ideal, and therefore a "should" but that "should" is always sociopolitical, and the sociopolitical does not care about feelings.  "All men are created equal" is not a feeling.  "Jews will not replace us" is not a feeling.

Same-sex attraction and (I suppose) gender dymorphism are primal, survival level instincts.  Ideology requires civilization, society, poltical structure and the freedom to philosophize- but LGBTQ needs none of that.

Yes, it is one of the essential characteristics of fascism to conflate the people and the state.

No, it's not. The essential characteristic here is conflating the individual with the state.

This is really basic stuff.

You are the one doing it, not Trump.

No genius, I misquoted Trump's attack line, an error that would have been obvious to anyone actually listening to the point.

Enemy of the people, not the state.

Correct. Are you correcting it because you wanted the gotcha, or do you think there is a meaningful point here?