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@IlDiavolo
It is a God construct, not social. Creationism is true, we did not evolve we were designed specially to marry unlike other species. It is also why we lack a penile bone and sex is so emotional.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Apologies let me correct myself. 10 Commandments do truly matter not any less than 7 deadly sins. The issue is those 10 alone do not guarantee you to live life well.
In fact Bible as a whole is not inna format you can follow in life. That is why the Catechism of Catholic Church is needed. It made Christianity into a guidebook. Bible is needed to know truly the backstory and holy scripture but alone it can be misinterpreted and lead to one being off the righteous path.
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I have been to a Saturday Mass for Easter Vigil but that vibe is very solemn indeed. Still was incredible.
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I wonder if Saturday Evening Masses feel similar.
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Every time I am relaxed after. Buzzing. Holy Spirit is real. Even if I felt bad and anxious at the start.
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@IlDiavolo
Many many flaws.
It is far beyond noticing how middle aged men have often got better priorities than guys in 20s.
It is that men get so shocked when their woman they met as a willing eager sex partner, ends up being a terrible wife and mother and ruins them. Women also get shocked when their blatantky immoral bf turned father and partner (often not even husband, as immoral men have less motive to marry more often) ends up a deadbeat, abuser or not a deadbeat or obvious abuser but a 'dead inside' lame and bad husband and father.
The shock stems from going 'but I thought he was so good our love was so alive what happened'? And every single time devout Catholics say 'the Devil was there the whole time ruininb her/him and you too and potentially your children now' it is met with shaking head and 'get lost with that nonsense'.
Cath husband. Cath wife. Both true nit fakers. Patient, rushing no sex, waiting to marry when both are truly ready, man well employed, woman stable also. This is peak.
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@IlDiavolo
Yes and then I read you admitting the Satanic approach to sex is flawed just now.
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@IlDiavolo
So you actualy realise how bad Satanic approach is but still take it
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@zedvictor4
Yes, that ending show us the level you think on. I wish you well on your journey to higher thinking.
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@Shila
Catholics in Germany were the main ones the basement hiding trope comes from. They genuinely were the ones who resisted the Nazis within Germany, the most, until fully blackmailed into conscription. Even then they tried their best.
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I don't get it, didn't Democrats used to be the KKK party?
US politics genuinely do not make sense.
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@TheGreatSunGod
The 10 commandments are not exactly as central as you assume, to a Christian. They matter but 7 deadly sins matter more and there is more to it than that.
For instance Catholics see a huge difference between poor stealing same amount from rich as rich from poor. Latter is far more immoral and our catechism states this.
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@TheGreatSunGod
He is Christian in name only I feel. Forgive me Father and Christ if I am wrong and he is really Christian in heart...
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@TheGreatSunGod
He didnt stay true to what he promised Zelensky anyway.
He said Zelensky has to give up land for guaranteed peace. Now Putin wants everything.
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@WyIted
You do not seem to think in a Christian way.
The way you process the world is a different framework.
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@Shila
He had no true justification at all. He was a pathetic toxic man who wanted agony to everyone and ruined Germany.
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@WyIted
You realise you are a fake Christian to even think this way with all the 'if atheism is true' conjecture?
It is 100% real. Online Priests even advised me well, Bible didn't save me, Catechism concepts, traditions and rules inspired by the Bible did.
I got signs I don't care to justify to you. It was like I realised this entire time my old god(dess) concept was lacking something, there was a fundamental missing piece.
The hugest thing I realised is that she/it was Satan at times and HS at others. Jesus at times, a demon infested deep in me at others.
It was in me years back. I was acting as I acted from the start on debate sites after it was inside me already.
This is not mental illness it is real. Catholivs make clear it is not metaphor. Satan and demons are completely real. I even think at times Mary was via God's permission and enabling her to reach me in transmission somehow reaching out to me abd/or other Saints were allowed to by God. I am convinced firmly that is why I first percieved my goddess as having a blue and white aura. Mary in Cath doctrine is constantly depicted with such aura. Jesus is red and white aura. I also perceived red. Black/dark must be Satan and demons, as ofc is some red mixed in maybe but it felt as if Red had 2 different meanings to me. It is even in flags a lot and political parties and I couldn't pinpoint it.
I obviously don't mean race when I say these colours and I am tired of caring how mentally ill it sounds. Every single experience I ever had with my deity concept previously led me to the Cath faith. Even the way they dress and operate in OG trad stuff is so disciplined, ninja esque and that style has always appealed to me. The plain robes, the modesty, the discipline, the quiet masculinity vs the overt of most other sects and faiths. It all appealed so much to me, I had just not noticed the raw form of Catholicism much in my life as it is so altered these days and masked.
Wylted listen to me, I have had books or papers fall on the floor I left there. I sit on the bed in existential angst and in front of my eyes, the brand name of one book and title of another and image of another add up to the exact answer to what I am asking or reference an earlier moment to answer me clearly. Not often at all. These things happened more and more and more and more and more the more I had faith in the Christian God. You do not understand man, he is literally real.
Song lyrics too.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Ty but my energy is negative often, I just learned to endure better. Or rather HS fills me more often.
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@Sir.Lancelot
😂 Idk if thats the best move but ok. I thought there was a max per day.
Generally if you get a mod to see it they will read all.
Life is funny though, had something not happened later, I couldnt have got all the comments censored.
All is woven into God's plan somehow once you are his. Or at least most is, the thing is I do not fully grasp Cath doctrine's Thomism. Molinism cannot be true if the Cath mechanics of God are true, only Thomism can. But Thomism does leave a mystery as to how exactly God leaves us failing to be saved to randomness yet predestines our saving if we worm with him.
Basically the more you go with his flow, not Satan's flow, the more he makes clearer his plan to you and guides you. The less you go with his flow the more is randomised somehow. That is my heretical oversimplified understa ding of Thomism but it actually seems to fit even my own life.
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@WyIted
I wouldn't half ass anything so I couldn't live in sin while becoming Catholic
A Cath would never ever have your pfp btw but we are all sinners and you never fully stop venial sinning, maximum you find a way to avoid mortally sinning for extended periods. Even a bad attitude leading to snapping at someone or being lazy is venial sinning, you get the concept?
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@WyIted
I agree hard to this:
I am seeking to convert to Catholicism. If Christianity is true than so is Catholicism and if Catholicism is false so is Christianity.
The other parts are not necessarily true. A lot of Catholicism is 'shut up and accept this doctrine' but God's will would be bossy if he is as Cheustian describe.
I definitely would bit say it is inherebtly the smartest sect. It is a sec btw the closest to denoms in it is Rites and they mainly differ on traditions but all obey Rome's catechism (Holy See but we still call it Rome as a nod to the Past but basically Latin Rite is the apex Rite no matter how you look at it).
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@WyIted
If I had taken the direct opposite side thered be HUGER issues but such is life and God's will.
For the record I was in a very bad place mentally. I realised along tbe way a flaw in therapy, it is not that it is wrong but it is incomplete. It never answers your real questions if you have existential anxiety.
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@Sir.Lancelot
That all sounds laced with sarcasm.
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@FLRW
Putin is mortally sinning on the daily.
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@WyIted
Many Muslims in Europe dont live true to what you'd presume Sharia upholders do. I literally live here. Some even sell or make food with pork and work in a shop but thats relative to desperation for a job obviously.
They are also often counted as Muslim immigrants but end up some variant of either exmuslims or very liberal Muslims by the third generation down.
When discussing this earlier you completely nonconsensually PM doxxed me to YT and this website. Which is what Id be free to prosecute you for had it been my real name and you also in Europe or get YT to take down.
That said, you are right. I am forced to take a neutral stance if against them, publicly. With you PMs are public, glad I chose the smarter side.
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@WyIted
That is why you have a neoNazi as president and AfD so far is failing. You forgot the horror of people loke Trump and what they end up bringing.
As for what Hitler did, if Germany didnt have that law more of the world would hate them than a select few nutjobs than you.
You value the freedom to deny the Holocaust over freedoms that actually matter.
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@Sir.Lancelot
We disagree on the last part.
There is 1 right religion (well 2, Judaism sort of is and sort of isn't).
He also cannot change alone. It does not work like that and self help stuff is actually somewhat Satanic as much as it means well and is why I have not suddenly gone full right wing.
We need to be weak, to accept we are helpless. Bit by bit like a tide being brought to shore the Holy Spirit shall carry you and Father controls the weather while Jesus is a light house or sudden life raft showing up etc. He is also the way to swim where Hoky Spirit is the fuel to the spriit and body in this analogy. Father controls the tide.
Satan is not the cramps, he is the urge to give up while feeling them creep in, magnifying their agony and minimising vision of correct options.
This is not pure metaphor. The sea swimming part is.
It is real and takes nonstop battling the innate gravitation we seem to have to Satan.
You play it as a logic game. You think any change works if it seems for the better. Wrong. Better to lose some or most of the gym gains and gain religion than vice versa. You get the concept?
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@WyIted
You are not free but funnily enough that may be slightly more Christian on some suoerficial levels. Prostitution, online gambling, tax when living abroad (IRS literally chases Americans living outside US fir tax returns on income and all sorts of stuff that Christians nations never think to do to their citizens living abroad), freedom to get healthcare as an excon, freedom to get oublic tra sport and education as a broke person.
Freedom to not have oerma anxiety or a sort of ptsd that the people sitting across from you or standing near you have a gun hidden away.
Freedom to not be picked on, pranked and filmed in public (meaning even notnkust outdoors by inside a gym, bus, wherever) without consent.
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@WyIted
But UK has very similar 3 way split (Royalty is a fourth part to it but technically comes under Executive though has often tended to work with Parliament especially since the French Revolution scared the Royals).
The system in Ireland, based on the British as is the American, is the 3 way split and again works far more cohesively than America's.
They have literal Christian values I am talking literal meaning even if a Brit is agnostic and in Parliament or an Irishman is, their ethos is to work with other departments actively.
Now as you see the systems elsewhere in Europe it doesn't matter how the split is, they genuinely play fairer. I am not pretending it. It just is true. It is because Christianity is so deeply ingrained into them that it is a totally different vibe and different level of rivalry between most. However, directy opposed parties and such do play dirty but again the system is setup so that your Q anon etc stuff doesn't work in Europe as valid attacks on a candidate without proof.
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@Shila
Reluctant catholic in early life. Keep reading more. See how he changed and converted out of it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I am not the type of person (notice I say person, not slandering other Christians only owning my style) who shies away from confrontation on the faith.
I do not wish to be arrogant but my actual flawed life and path to the faith has ended up a massive strength in situations of facing any type of disbeliever.
I am very certain it is the 1 true faith and even if I were in a Maronite Cath region, I would personally think the Latin Rite were more correct but that is a very separate issue because the main clash is on celibate clergy and St. peter our 1st Pope was not celibate nor were the original Nicaeans leading it until 500s-600s where things shifted (in my eyes correctly). There are also certain prayers and such that I feel the Roman Caths word/do best but as I am a practising Latin Rite Cath I do not really have to be divisive. What I am saying is I am nearly certain to the highest degree possible that Roman Catholicism would always have drawn me in and been where I ended up if I lived long enough and knew about it and was close enough to a Churhc and able to access info on the faith.
I can tell you this really is the 1 true faith even logically but pure logic alone can not win you the spiritual warfare you want to win over, for example, your bestiality urges (you need to be imprisoned and maybe find God in there somehow, in my opinion, I do worry for your dogs and think you need to be reported by the site owner). You are so sick you cannot imagine it. Let yourself be healed by the true triune God.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Are you open to convert also or is your soul solely for Satan?
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@Shila
No. The Catholics opposed Hitler from the very beginning.
North East of Germany was barely Christian. They had come out of Communism of west vs east germany and were still used to religionlessness. Maybe they said they were religious but tjey didnt really convert and also clibnged strongest to Paganism when Romans originally showed up. They also voted neonazi AfD party the most.
Meanwhile we have Catholics against Hitler. Catholics were also going to get stamped out by Hitler towards the ending and he did everything he could to dismantle them. He was a fake Christian. I do not even care if somehow we say his faith was real because sola fide is a hoax that protestantism invented. Good works matter a lot.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This is not anything about prostitution.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If he doesn't what then?
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@WyIted
I guess Americans realised they can't design altruism or Christian values so they designed a system so 3 branches can fight each other relentlessly to see who can pretend to love America best while being unable to show compassion and understanding to the other 2 branches and American masses.
What a country. What a life.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
God converts, I am just a messenger/agent/fellow-child of God.
If you think my work towards him changing began today in this thread that is okay.
It began from a PM I sent him a couple weeks ago now to maybe events beforehand in God's plan between us.
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@Shila
The Holocaust was a truly evil thing. Catholics were ignored by Hitler and he was shutting down nunneries and disempowering bishops.
Dont ever say it was driven by Christian motives ever again in your life or it is now active severe blasphemy.
I have given you the knowledge. This means from now on you are knowingly sinning.
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@fauxlaw
Oh yes and we have no feet either
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@WyIted
Also idc what whiteflame says yeah or how this comes across. If any of Wfs grandparents knew what he lets you say and do, whether alive or in afterlife, they would be or must be disgusted.
Catholics deny soul slumber theory. So we don't assume theyre just dead until judgement day if they got allocated heaven either they are still in purgatory are cleansed and up there watching from the pre-true-Heaven place being one floating as celestials with God or are in Hell (Limbo is improbable for them as they didnt die as fetuses or on remote places not ever hearing of Christianity)
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@WyIted
Ayn Rand and Karl Marx are not Identical drones of 1 unit.
Well done Sherlock.
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@WyIted
It is not exactly true. For instance does trinity violate the first Noahide law? Muslims would say it does. (Ortho and many Conservative) Jews imply it does.
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@zedvictor4
I'm 65, have a lovely partner and two lovely successful daughters, own my own home and have enough money in the bank to see me out... No GOD necessary.
The very air you breathe and take for granted has a God necessary for it. You have no idea how much you owe God.
We are banned to judge who goes to Hell (can only judge who goes to heaven but realistically Stalin, Epstein, Genghis Khan and Hitler are nigh-guaranteed hellbound as far as I am concerned and I can freely say that as I am not ordained and thus nit speaking for RCC, MCC or any other Catholic Rite officially).
Therefore, since I am not, let me tell you the path you are on at 65 is one you assume is good. You have no idea. You just assumed it. You are measuring on your own made up scale, not the one God gave us via the Catholic Church and Bible (both, not Bible alone to interpret how you want to).
It is quite probable you do end up in Hell and it is ashame as you clearly are not intentionally meaning to be evil. You are defying God's will daily. This is evil. Please repent. Thank you.
If you have no fear of Hell at all, then answer me this, would you regret also misleading your wife and daughters such that they ended up there more probably too or try in your final decades (God-willing) alive on Earth from 65 onwards to rectify your errors and bring them to the righteous path?
Again, I am saying this because I care, Zed. There is a reason I am not remotely preaching this way directly to some other users here who I believe intentionally reject Christ and truly embrace being evil. You seem different. It hurts to know you are (disclaimer: probably not definitely) heading to Hell.
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@Mall
He was sinless himself. I am not interested in your bait.
I am also confused are you atheist, mormon or what.
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@Mall
Jesus's earthly stepfather Joseph was direct descendant and Jesus' adoptive father (he was not a stepfather alone back then it was a grey area so he made sure to get proper custody of the son shared with Mary and she agreed to it).
Mary and Joseph both were/are (theyre alive in pre-judgement-day Heaven) descendants of King David.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I have a restraining order (we both know with who and whose fault)
I am extremely limited on how much I can even indirectly say here.
Your apology was necessary and appreciated by me. I shall DM you some stuff and get on with other stuff.
Make sure you focus on your path now, do not let anyone sway you. 🤍
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@TheGreatSunGod
Yeah that is incompatible. If it was monotheistic, there is a way you could ease in more gradually perhaps but from polytheism and Wicca etc you need to completely drop it as its pure blasphemy and will not work with a transition to Christianity imo.
I know Pope Francis said all faiths are paths to god but some paths are meant to have dead ends quite frankly and turn you around.
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